Obama says Palestine must be based in 1967 borders

[iPakMan]

@Cardsharp,
Yes, you got it right.
But for how long the Israelis will keep gobbling up the land? Palestinians are not going anywhere. In fact, they are determined to breed like rabbit in the West Bank and create their own 'ground reality'. How long more before the Palestinian population becomes way too large to manage, the smuggled arms become too sophisticated for the IDF counter-measures, and the world sick and tired of the Israeli machinations? How many hundreds of years the suggested Israeli Bantustants or Apartheids can last?
Today Israeli main weapon is not the IDF. It is the control of the American Congress. The NY Times article I posted above shows how Netanyahu is trying to counter Obama administrator by using the Congress. Pretty low and desperate. May even backfire.
Anyway, the world peace is held hostage by not the ordinary Israelis who, in significant numbers, would like to pull back to the 1967 lines. But by the religious fanatics of the 'Settler Enterprise' whose heads are the Likudniks and AIPAC.

Don`t talk about things you know nothing about. Zionism is the very definition of Patriotism in Israel, the majority of this country(Including Druze Arabs, Christian Arabs, Zionist Muslim Tribes, and Jews) will make sure Israel continues to be forever more, the dominant force in the Middle East.
Israel isn`t going anywhere, Israel will continue to develop more and more, invent deadlier warfare technologies, continue to be leaders of the Scientific and Medical fields and will continue to destroy and dominate any and every enemy.
The USA isn`t going anywhere either, nor are the Americans going to abandon a country as strong and brilliant as Israel.

 

[CardSharp]

Israel isn`t going anywhere, Israel will continue to develop more and more, invent deadlier warfare technologies

Military dominance alone is a thin safety net.

 

[CardSharp]

Israel are also offering free homes to jews living abroad to come back home, on a BBC documentary.

Many jews from India and USA are moving to Israel.

Yeah and they even pay for vocations to Israel for Jews anywhere as a way to entice them to come to Israel.

Taglit-Birthright Israel: Homepage

Wish China had something similar but I'm pretty sure there are enough Chinese people in China already.

 

[Meengla]

@iPakMan,
I see you are extremely defensive! Why is that? Did I imply that 'Israel is going somewhere'? Did I say that America is going to 'abandon' Israel.
Can you answer as to what you are going to do to, say, 15 million Palestinians living right around you in, say, 2100? They who will be armed much better than they are now.
So, get off this patriotic tall horse and present a solution which is better than any Bantustan. Plenty of powers have crumbled in the past because of their hubris. I wish for Israel to avoid that.

 

[iPakMan]

Military dominance alone is a thin safety net.

Well CardSharp, Military dominance is what kept Taiwan an island, pro-democracy protestors in check and the mainland Communist.
In a reality where the Arabs only understand power, power is vital, you do not reason with blood thirsty ideological lunatics. We do not care if Arabs are taught democracy, they can kill each other as much as they like.

 

[iPakMan]

@iPakMan,
I see you are extremely defensive! Why is that? Did I imply that 'Israel is going somewhere'? Did I say that America is going to 'abandon' Israel.
Can you answer as to what you are going to do to, say, 15 million Palestinians living right around you in, say, 2100? They who will be armed much better than they are now.
So, get off this patriotic tall horse and present a solution which is better than any Bantustan. Plenty of powers have crumbled in the past because of their hubris. I wish for Israel to avoid that.

In 2100 the world might be a nuclear waste dump, i won`t presume to know the future. I can tell you this though, they either abandon their ways and accept Israel as a Jewish homeland(Which they refuse) and work with us for a better future for all or they continue to suffer generation by generation.

 

[CardSharp]

Well CardSharp, Military dominance is what kept Taiwan an island, pro-democracy protestors in check and the mainland Communist.
In a reality where the Arabs only understand power, power is vital, you do not reason with blood thirsty ideological lunatics. We do not care if Arabs are taught democracy, they can kill each other as much as they like.

I admire your optimism.

 

[Meengla]

I can tell you this much then: If the world is not a nuclear wastedump then you will have a huge problem in the year 2100 with 15 million hostile people living next to you.
You can have a Jewish majority state and ban the entry of Palestinians by building a wall up to the sky. Your Jewish majority will not erode. But you need to give them their own state before that. A viable, independent state. For your own sake at least.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yeah and they even pay for vocations to Israel for Jews anywhere as a way to entice them to come to Israel.

Taglit-Birthright Israel: Homepage

Wish China had something similar but I'm pretty sure there are enough Chinese people in China already.

Yeah we should definitely set up something like that.

 

[TOPGUN]

The israelis will not agree to the 67 borders thats the prob lets see what will happen.

 

[CardSharp]

Yeah we should definitely set up something like that.

lol yeah but like I said, there are too many overseas Chinese, and China doesn't need more population

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

lol yeah but like I said, there are too many overseas Chinese, and China doesn't need more population

Good point... I forgot that there are around 40 million haiwai huaren.

That's like a whole nation in itself.

 

[iPakMan]

I can tell you this much then: If the world is not a nuclear wastedump then you will have a huge problem in the year 2100 with 15 million hostile people living next to you.
You can have a Jewish majority state and ban the entry of Palestinians by building a wall up to the sky. Your Jewish majority will not erode. But you need to give them their own state before that. A viable, independent state. For your own sake at least.

Well i`d like to point out that 15 million hostile people next to us would be awesome, since currently 365 million hostile people live next to us.
And yes i agree, Palestinian state is important and essential, but not at a price where our borders are indefensible. Where any country can kill thousands in minutes because the Jordan valley is not in our control. To the Palestinians its a strip of land, to us it`s a question of life and death for our civilians.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

I have heard that Israel is the only nation with which America allows dual citizenship. Why the special exception for Israelis? Why Jews and Israelis believe that they are unique and not subject to the same rules and laws as others.

 

[Meengla]

Well i`d like to point out that 15 million hostile people next to us would be awesome, since currently 365 million hostile people live next to us. And yes i agree, Palestinian state is important and essential, but not at a price where our borders are indefensible. Where any country can kill thousands in minutes because the Jordan valley is not in our control. To the Palestinians its a strip of land, to us it`s a question of life and death for our civilians.

When I say 15 million I mean between the Med. Sea and Dead Sea. The number may be exaggerated--I don't know how much will be the Palestinian population in the next 90 odd years but 15 may not be too far considering the rapid, intentional breeding done by them.

Raja.Pakistani,
No, Dual Citizenship is allowed with other countries as well. But, yes, Israel does have a 'special relationship' with America. The answer for that lies in the Lobbies, Christian Zionists etc.