Now Blasphemy Laws to be repealed

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LAHORE: State Minster for Information Tariq Azeem has hinted that Pakistan’s minorities will receive “good news” this Christmas in the form of a “review” and possible amendments to laws that they consider discriminatory, such as the blasphemy law.

Senator Azeem told Online on Saturday that Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz may make an announcement about possible amendments to the blasphemy and other laws concerning minorities on December 25. He did not give further details.

http://www.pakistanlink.com/Headlines/Dec06/24/03.htm

We would have freed ourselves with all medieval theocratic laws once this is done. Good show, Prime Minister. Is that Tariq Azeem or Tariq Aziz?

 

[Cheetah786]

excellent news.Pakistan isnt an Arab state we dont need there barbaric Laws and most mullahas are welcome to go to Arab lands.wait they cant Arabs dont want them in there home countries they just use this garbadge to spread there own views on the rest.Minorities should be protected.:flag:

 

[Lahori paa jee]

What is Mushy trying to do.

Blasphemy laws should not be changed. It has nothing to do with us being arabs or mullahs. Its our faith and changing such laws will be very difficult

 

[Awesome]

What is Mushy trying to do.

Blasphemy laws should not be changed. It has nothing to do with us being arabs or mullahs. Its our faith and changing such laws will be very difficult

It doesn't have to do with being Arab, Mullah or an atheist. It's simple matter of growing up and not going beserk just because someone says something to us.

Two very important issues this would resolve:

1. Removal of anti-defamation punishment (punishment is death btw!). So what if someone says anything to Islam, Prophet, Quran, etc. It doesn't make it true. To punish someone for mere words is acting like a bully child who can't take criticism. Now I'm not saying we should promote a culture where Islam is defamed, in fact we should discourage it through words as well. But state level laws should not affect anyone's freedom of speech.

2. Punishing a convert from Islam (also punishable by death). Let's say if a missionary from church manages to convince you that Christianity should be your adopted faith and not Islam then you should be able to do so. What is the reasoning behind killing? Just because you became Christian does it mean that we totally suck and Christianity rules? I believe thats the message we give when we once again act like a bully child that will force its way through.

Plus threatening someone with death to remain Muslim is not really Islam either.

Overall as Muslims, I feel, Islam would gain greater acceptance once Muslims are seen making these brave moves. The message would then be that Islam is so attractive and Muslims are so confident that people join our faith and remain so with freewill no matter what the defamation be against us. Now isn't that a beautiful thing?

 

[alamgir]

It doesn't have to do with being Arab, Mullah or an atheist. It's simple matter of growing up and not going beserk just because someone says something to us.

Two very important issues this would resolve:

1. Removal of anti-defamation punishment (punishment is death btw!). So what if someone says anything to Islam, Prophet, Quran, etc. It doesn't make it true. To punish someone for mere words is acting like a bully child who can't take criticism. Now I'm not saying we should promote a culture where Islam is defamed, in fact we should discourage it through words as well. But state level laws should not affect anyone's freedom of speech.

2. Punishing a convert from Islam (also punishable by death). Let's say if a missionary from church manages to convince you that Christianity should be your adopted faith and not Islam then you should be able to do so. What is the reasoning behind killing? Just because you became Christian does it mean that we totally suck and Christianity rules? I believe thats the message we give when we once again act like a bully child that will force its way through.

Plus threatening someone with death to remain Muslim is not really Islam either.

Overall as Muslims, I feel, Islam would gain greater acceptance once Muslims are seen making these brave moves. The message would then be that Islam is so attractive and Muslims are so confident that people join our faith and remain so with freewill no matter what the defamation be against us. Now isn't that a beautiful thing?

first of all i suggest you study islam if you are muslim. it is very clear no one become true muslim if respect of prophet have more impotant then his life his famaily his propitey.and also remember you that we get pakistan to live according principles of islam

 

[Cheetah786]

. .and also remember you that we get pakistan to live according principles of islam

first of all i suggest you study islam if you are muslim And i suggest u should read about islam and our prophet. there is countless examples of how Prophet treated his enemies with respect.And not 1 where he killed some one who (toba toba )insulted him.

it is very clear no one become true muslim if respect of prophet have more impotant then his life his famaily his propitey

Please give me one example from quran.where this is being said.ISALM is God RELIGION NOT prophets. big difference.PROPHET was the messenger.no way iam suggesting you dont respect the prophet in any possible way.but what iam saying is your statement should have said.YOU ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIM IF your LIFE AND PROPERTY is more important to you then God.
i believe that was prophets message.

and also remember you that we get pakistan to live according principles of islam

i beg your parden sir but MULLAHS WERE against the creation of pakistan.and quaides vision was very clearly different then the mullahs.sir syed was decleard infidel for suggesting muslims should learn english and get educated.

And on different matter i talked about ARABS in this subbject,because all these kinds of laws were braught in during zia-ul-thugs time need i say more.

 

[Lahori paa jee]

It doesn't have to do with being Arab, Mullah or an atheist. It's simple matter of growing up and not going beserk just because someone says something to us.

Two very important issues this would resolve:

1. Removal of anti-defamation punishment (punishment is death btw!). So what if someone says anything to Islam, Prophet, Quran, etc. It doesn't make it true. To punish someone for mere words is acting like a bully child who can't take criticism. Now I'm not saying we should promote a culture where Islam is defamed, in fact we should discourage it through words as well. But state level laws should not affect anyone's freedom of speech.

2. Punishing a convert from Islam (also punishable by death). Let's say if a missionary from church manages to convince you that Christianity should be your adopted faith and not Islam then you should be able to do so. What is the reasoning behind killing? Just because you became Christian does it mean that we totally suck and Christianity rules? I believe thats the message we give when we once again act like a bully child that will force its way through.

Plus threatening someone with death to remain Muslim is not really Islam either.

Overall as Muslims, I feel, Islam would gain greater acceptance once Muslims are seen making these brave moves. The message would then be that Islam is so attractive and Muslims are so confident that people join our faith and remain so with freewill no matter what the defamation be against us. Now isn't that a beautiful thing?

Why in the first place should one feel the urge to say something about Islam or Our Prophet.

About the second part i agree and disagree. As a Muslim we are not supposed to discuss this. But the problem is we have a brain and we will do it no matter what. We welcome converts but want to kill them if they give up Islam (it makes sense as Islam is the Last and a complete religion).

Take the example of Muhammad Yousuf. Did a call for his murder come from any section of the christian community of Pakistan. No!!! Imagine if he had converted to Christianity from Islam.

 

[niaz]

As a muslim I have nothing against blasphemy laws. It is the misuse by the bigots that is abhorrent.

No doubt, anyone who is insulting our holy Prophet (PBUH) should be punished. But we hear instances where someone finds a verse of the holy Quran partially burnt and the excited mob goes out and burn the churches.

Firstly, when I was studying Quran as may be 9/10 year old, I was told that if Quran gets very old, the way to dispose off was to burn it and wash the ashes in a river or a canal; secondly the verses may be printed in the Newspaper and illiterate Sweeper may be using the newspaper to light the fire.

Therfore when I read about the attacks on minorities accused of burning verses of the holy book, it indicates to me that the laws should be repealed or modified so that innocents are not made victims.

Also I read sometime ago of a muslim history teacher punished because he mentioned in the class that the father, grand father and uncle of the holy Prophet(PBUH) were kaffirs because they never became mulsims due to various reasons. This is a historical fact, but the bigots took him to task; the courts were filled with the bearded youths to intimidate the judge who had no choice but to send the poor teacher to prison for blasphemy.

Just like the "Hudood Ordinance", Blasphemy laws are a tool in the hands of bigotted mullahs to be used for settling personal scores and thus are in urgent need of modification.

There were no such laws before the bigot Zia, I never saw one instance of any one daring to insult either the holy Prophet (PBUH) or the holy Quran. Even during the British Raj any one daring such a feat were dealt with the likes of Ghazi Ilm Din.

 

[alamgir]

first of all i suggest you study islam if you are muslim And i suggest u should read about islam and our prophet. there is countless examples of how Prophet treated his enemies with respect.And not 1 where he killed some one who (toba toba )insulted him.

it is very clear no one become true muslim if respect of prophet have more impotant then his life his famaily his propitey

Please give me one example from quran.where this is being said.ISALM is God RELIGION NOT prophets. big difference.PROPHET was the messenger.no way iam suggesting you dont respect the prophet in any possible way.but what iam saying is your statement should have said.YOU ARE NOT TRUE MUSLIM IF your LIFE AND PROPERTY is more important to you then God.
i believe that was prophets message.

and also remember you that we get pakistan to live according principles of islam

i beg your parden sir but MULLAHS WERE against the creation of pakistan.and quaides vision was very clearly different then the mullahs.sir syed was decleard infidel for suggesting muslims should learn english and get educated.

And on different matter i talked about ARABS in this subbject,because all these kinds of laws were braught in during zia-ul-thugs time need i say more.

if you want to learn about islam then also read hadis in [seha sitta] six main books of hadis and this is a hadis where our beloved prophet says no one become a true muslim if he not have more respect more love for me then any thing in this world . 2nd thing a small group of mullahs against creation of pakistan but majority of ULLMAS are in favior of pakistan and also several time quid-a-azam declare that only perpose for creation of pakistan is islam other wise majority of pakistanies share same race that of hindues and sikhs

 

[Awesome]

Why in the first place should one feel the urge to say something about Islam or Our Prophet.

People don't like Muslims world over! Perhaps someone doesn't like us within Pakistan too. Imagine someone wants to argue that Islam is not a good religion because the Prophet was a pedo.

Now a person like me would want to prove that person wrong, that the Prophet was not one. Another wrong person would want to kill him for saying so.

About the second part i agree and disagree. As a Muslim we are not supposed to discuss this.

That's the thing, we are not being brave! Only people who know they can't discuss and prove themselves right would not want to discuss it. We should face such issues head on. Otherwise we are saying ourselves that our religion is wrong!

But the problem is we have a brain and we will do it no matter what. We welcome converts but want to kill them if they give up Islam (it makes sense as Islam is the Last and a complete religion).

Take the example of Muhammad Yousuf. Did a call for his murder come from any section of the christian community of Pakistan. No!!! Imagine if he had converted to Christianity from Islam.

So the Christians are brave enough to say "Okay one fool left Christianity and entered Islam". Can't we say the same about fools who leave Islam?

I don't believe in Islam at gunpoint... Be so tolerant and be SO right that people accept Islam by looking at your example. Everybody likes freedom, ethics, morals and nice people in general. Killers are not nice people. Who here thinks we are not hurting Islam by keeping these blasphemy laws? Who here thinks potential non-Muslim converts see these laws and go "Wah wah wah!"?

 

[Awesome]

In his inaugural speech Quaid said that Pakistan is not to become a theocratic state. And in subsequent interviews he clearly re-affirmed that.

Also if someone is not respecting Islam then he or she does not deserve Islam's respect in return. Simple as that. Why punish him/her for saying something?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Some people are saying that the blasphemy law is islamic because we are muslims------on the other hand the blasphemy law is totally UN-ISLAMIC in its content.

So on the day of judgement, when our LORD, Allah sees at the blood on our hands and clothes and the Almighty inquires'''What is This" and we respond Ya Allah we killed for you because he was disrectful to you and to our prophet.If Allah turns to his messenger ' Mohammad ' and asks, 'Mohammad did I ask you to kill people who have insulted you or insulted me? The answer would be ' No my Lord ' I forgave those who had insulted me and never asked anyone to kill on my behalf and the LORD would say,' Niether did I ask anyone to kill for me either."

What these blasphemy law preachers are saying that their revenge is stronger than the promise of Allah and forgiveness of prophet Mohammad. Indeed if there is any KAFIR in this land is the one who enforces the blasphemy law and those who lie to enforce it upon the innocent.

 

[Awesome]

Hi,

Some people are saying that the blasphemy law is islamic because we are muslims------on the other hand the blasphemy law is totally UN-ISLAMIC in its content.

So on the day of judgement, when our LORD, Allah sees at the blood on our hands and clothes and the Almighty inquires'''What is This" and we respond Ya Allah we killed for you because he was disrectful to you and to our prophet.If Allah turns to his messenger ' Mohammad ' and asks, 'Mohammad did I ask you to kill people who have insulted you or insulted me? The answer would be ' No my Lord ' I forgave those who had insulted me and never asked anyone to kill on my behalf and the LORD would say,' Niether did I ask anyone to kill for me either."

What these blasphemy law preachers are saying that their revenge is stronger than the promise of Allah and forgiveness of prophet Mohammad. Indeed if there is any KAFIR in this land is the one who enforces the blasphemy law and those who lie to enforce it upon the innocent.

Good point MK.

The Prophet was insulted in his lifetime. He was thrown garbage at. His ego wasn't hurt, his pride wasn't broken. When he defeated those same people he spared each and every one of them. He made them a part of the society. In fact it was this mercy of his that won him the hearts of those same haters and they accepted Islam.

 

[araz]

Does anybody know the Hadeeth/ Quranic verse on the basis of which these laws were promulgated? What is the actual Islamic basis for these Laws.Yes my Heart boils when my Beloved ProphetPBUH, or any other Prophet PBUH is subjected to slander, but is this a reason to kill somebody and what was the ProphetsPBUH way? As I remember, at the time of Conquest of Makkah, the prophet forgave people with whom he had a blood feud. This formed a basis for a general amnesty as all blood feuds were forgiven by the Sahaba e Karam RA. I think if we research this topic our answer might be a clear one in light of Quranic verse and Hadeeth rather than a rendition of Personal opinion, which given my verty limited Knowledge, I am hesitant to venture.
WaSalam
Araz

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

There is no reason not to venture into this field. Allah ' our Lord ' promised that HE will protect the name of HIS prophet, His place of worship and HIS book.

Why not to venture into the Hadees-----if the prophet Mohammad did not seek any revenge or be-hold a personal grudge against anyone----the case is closed. If the prophet did not ask for someone's life because they desecrated the holy place or the name of ALLAH----what is it to us.

We people can barely maintain some kind of faith in our present lives and ALLAH never asked us to be HIS or His prophet's or HIS holy book or HIS house of worship's protector. Even the prophet's great parents left the Ka'aba to the mercy of ALLAH at the time of invasion. So, where does this blasphemy law comes into force???

It is these mullahs----they get a high when they kill in the name of ALLAH, they get a high when they kill in the name of prophet---it is just for the personal pleasure and ecstasy that they want to kill.

Why do we get mad when a christian or a hindu talks bad about our prophet----who in here has not made fun of their gods at one time.