NOT VERIFIED: Pakistan Catholics protest after abduction, forced marriage of 13 year-old Catholic girl

[Hamza913]

You vanished for some time and came back super liberal.

How is this "super liberal"? Certain customs have been adopted from 7th century Arabia that need not be adopted, nothing "liberal" about that.

 

[Lincoln]

The court is the best place to prove all those points, and according to her statement, she doesn't want to go back to her parents and wants to remain Muslim and married to her husband.

It is her choice and I 100% support what she chooses for herself.

If she wishes to go back, then I support her also, but she doesn't want to.



In Islamic fiqh, the rule is already established. We don't expect non-Muslims to understand.



Bro, what happened to you?

You vanished for some time and came back super liberal.

I believe a mentally handicapped person is of greater use to society than mullahs living in the 7th century, thanks.

 

[HAIDER]

NGOs are curse in Pakistan .... they raise such issues for financial gain and popularity. All NGOs has to submit reports at the end year to there financers to show there performance for the approval of next year budget. Specially these women right NGOs in Pakistan is one curse, which sometime make people life miserable ..

 

[Armchair-General]

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Azoo Raja. Credit: Aid to the Church in Need UK


CNA Staff, Oct 29, 2020 / 10:15 am MT (CNA).-

Catholics in Pakistan are protesting a judge’s decision not to intervene after a 44-year-old man allegedly kidnapped a 13-year-old Catholic girl, forced her to convert to Islam, and then married her.

According to UCA News, Arzoo Raja, a 13-year-old Catholic from Karachi was kidnapped in broad daylight Oct. 13 by Ali Azhar. Raja’s parents were informed days later by the police that their daughter had converted to Islam and had married Azhar, allegedly of her own free will. Her parents filed a police report.


Two weeks after her abduction, on Oct. 27, the Sindh High Court ruled the marriage was valid and that Azhar would not be arrested.

Technically, child marriage is illegal in Pakistan, but courts typically do not enforce these laws. Sharia Law, which is used in some judicial decisions in Pakistan, permits a child to be married after her first menstrual period.

Approximately 400 people protested the decision at St. Patrick’s Catholic Church in Karachi, and Christians in other parts of the country protested as well.

Fr. Saleh Diego, vicar general of the Archdiocese of Karachi, condemned the court for ruling without properly investigating the circumstances.

“Whatever happened in the court was shameful and deplorable. It was all lies that the girl was being sent to a shelter home,” said Diego. “The court, without checking or determining Arzoo’s age, ruled in favor of the abductors.”

Documentation proved that Raja was born in 2007 and is 13 years old.

Diego said that someone of Raja’s age cannot decide to accept Islam on her own, as she “still has a lot to learn about her own religion.”

“A 13-year-old cannot decide about her religion. She is an innocent girl whose statement should be declared null and void by the court,” he said.

The vicar general said there was a “disturbing trend” of Catholic girls being forcibly converted to Islam.

“Religious minorities living in Pakistan are concerned about the future of their daughters who are being converted to Islam,” he said. “But why only girls? Are our boys not good enough for religious conversion? Why are they not so easily converted?” he asked.

In February, the Sindh High Court ruled that a “marriage” between a 14-year-old girl who was kidnapped, forced to marry her abductor and convert to Islam was not a violation of the Sindh Child Marriage Restraint Act.

The court found that as the girl had experienced her first menstrual period, the marriage was legal.

Pakistan Catholics protest after abduction, forced marriage of 13 year-old Arzoo Raja

Catholics in Pakistan are protesting a judge’s decision not to intervene after a 44-year-old man allegedly kidnapped a 13-year-old Catholic girl, forced her to convert to Islam, and then married her.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

If this is true then it is very sad and the act should be condemned
However, since all facts aren't revealed to the public yet, we should not be quick to pass judgement

Hazrat Aisha RA...

The precedent has been set.

If you look into your grandparents' ages, I am sure you will find the same thing. It was more prevalent back then.



In many places in Pakistan this is normal. We cannot stop people from marrying, nor should we.

Islamic stance on that is clear.

If we throw out our religious laws, then age of consent can be enforced, otherwise it is puberty according to Islam.



Something needs to be done about these NGOs and these Church politics, esp if even liberal diehard Jibran Nasir is warning us.



If she is a convert, she doesn't need consent from her parents. Fiqh recognizes her own right to choose or she can take a Muslim Wali.

The age of Hazrat Aisha is highly debatable, since the Hadith do not seem to line up with each other.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The age of Hazrat Aisha is highly debatable, since the Hadith do not seem to line up with each other.

It is not. Ahadith are clear. 9.

 

[Armchair-General]

It is not. Ahadith are clear. 9.

The Hadith you are quoting is false and made up. Cheers.

Age of Aisha Siddiqua at the time of marriage was 19, not 9| Complete Info

Seerat writers wrote that Hazrat Aisha رضي الله عنها was engaged with son of Jubair bin Mut'im before prophet Muhammad ﷺ. Rasul-Allah..

theshahab.com

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The Hadith you are quoting is false and made up. Cheers.

Age of Aisha Siddiqua at the time of marriage was 19, not 9| Complete Info

Seerat writers wrote that Hazrat Aisha رضي الله عنها was engaged with son of Jubair bin Mut'im before prophet Muhammad ﷺ. Rasul-Allah..

theshahab.com

I don't agree as I see Sahih al Bukhari as authentic.

Also the scholar you linked has other questionable fatawa.

 

[Armchair-General]

I don't agree as I see Sahih al Bukhari as authentic.

Also the scholar you linked has other questionable fatawa.

Bukhari was a man, he was bound to make mistakes, people were bound to lie to him, he was limited by the resources and time he had, he was limited by his own scientific understanding of the world.
I will post a few ridiculous so called true Hadith that have made their way into renowned collections of Ahadith:

Narrated `Abdullah:
It was mentioned before the Prophet (ﷺ) that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3270
In-book reference	: Book 59, Hadith 80

Abu Huraira reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying:
When Satan hears the call to prayer, he turns back and breaks the wind so as not to hear the call being made, but when the call is finished he turns round and distracts (the minds of those who pray), and when he hears the Iqama, he again runs away so as not to hear its voice and when it subsides, he comes back and distracts (the minds of those who stand for prayer).
(Here breaking the wind means farting just so you know)
This one was in both Muslim and Bukhari

Sahih Bukhari
Hadith 608
In-book reference

Book 10, Hadith 6

Volume 1, Book 11, Hadith 582

Reference	: Sahih Muslim 389 a
In-book reference	: Book 4, Hadith 19

Narrated Ash-Shaibani: I heard 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa saying, "The Prophet forbade the use of green jars." I said, "Shall we drink out of white jars?" He said, "No."
Sahih Bukhari 7:69:501

Narrated Ibn `Abbas:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'When you eat, do not wipe your hands till you have licked it, or had it licked by somebody else."
Sahih Bukhari 7:65:366


Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease." (Sahih Al-Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)
(There is no scientific evidence for this. Rather all evidence suggests the exact opposite, eating foods infested by flies can cause diseases such as Typhoid, Dysentery, and Leprosy. All of these diseases are caused by the microorganisms that live inside the bodies of various flies.
Not only that but a famous Egyptian Physician and later scholar Muhammad Tawfiq Sidqi nearly abandoned his deen when he learnt of this Hadith as it contradicted modern medicine and germ theory.


Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if an Ethiopian whose head is like a raisin were made your chief."
(Seems like Quite a racist depiction, something that I don't think the Holy Prophet would say)
Sahih Bukhari 1:11:662

These are just a few of the clearly fabricated Hadith found in renowned Hadith books. I will admit that Bukhari's and Muslim's compilations are better and far more comprehensive compared to say Sunnan Abu Dawood (dont get me started on the stuff in that and other smaller compilations).
The concept of rejecting a Hadith does not in any way violate the fundamentals of Islam nor is it something new. I'd say it is high time (rather has been for a few centuries) that Muslims push for a stronger criteria for accepting a Hadith as true or false.