None would be able to destroy Bengali culture: PM Hasina

[Bengal71]

Well West Pakistani leadership wanted to stay united on THEIR terms. Which meant Bengalis would have to play second-fiddle and tag along as underclass in every national affair while West Pakistanis (especially Punjabis) blatantly and overtly dominated in the armed forces, in civil service, in every facet of administration.

That would not have been very good for Bengalis....as it turned out.

Level of fairness for equity (and needed administrative sophistication) was already lacking by late 60's with Islamabad politicians. West Pakistanis politicians actually started preferring an 'Idhar hum + Udhar tum' solution. Of which the Bhutto negotiations with the Sheikh were an outside expression. When talks broke down, plans for 'unity' (as you mention) broke down too.

One cannot stay 'united' when the terms being dictated are unequal.

This is in stark contrast to how govt. administration situation in India proceeded...the states themselves have tremendous power of self-administration. The center is in charge of foreign affairs, printing money and defense matters, among other things.

Pakistan lacked that level of sophistication, and things really went South (Banana-Republic-wise) when the army took over courtesy of Ayub Khan.

That is exactly what I meant. United in their terms and the rest was the cause of dismantling of democracy and the army men taking over the state. Punjabi politicians probably had same problems to some extent but them being politicians means there's room for politics to give a chance. If Pakistan remained under politicians and elected rulers this would not have happened.

I personally think that the army is behind every woe of Pakistan.

 

[bluesky]

Who is trying to destroy Bangali culture now that Evil Punjabis are not in the picture

However, it is true that the Muslim Punjabis had shown their true evil nature in the 1971 war against the Bengali civilians. People here do not criticize the Baluch and Pathans that much for the cruelty but blame the Punjabis. Punjabis were perhaps wary of their future in the PA if there remained a united Pakistan. Bengalis were demanding almost 50% quota for themselves in the PA. It was a crime.

 

[Bilal9]

That is exactly what I meant. United in their terms and the rest was the cause of dismantling of democracy and the army men taking over the state. Punjabi politicians probably had same problems to some extent but them being politicians means there's room for politics to give a chance. If Pakistan remained under politicians and elected rulers this would not have happened.

I personally think that the army is behind every woe of Pakistan.

Absolutely. I have said this many times. A country of 200 million cannot stay dhimmi to rule by folks the barracks.

However I find that there aren't a lot of Pakistani takers of my opinion in this forum, at least overtly.

As Pakistan is more or less a feudal society - a lot of people get benefited by the military by association.

One guy told me everyone in Pakistan 'loved' the military.

This will keep being true unless and until people over there get educated in relatively large numbers and start demanding rights and democracy.

Good luck to Pakistanis for a better future.

 

[fitpOsitive]

...., except her!

 

[I S I]

I think Bangladeshi culture revolves around eating Hilsa & blaming Pakistan for flat tire.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Absolutely. I have said this many times. A country of 200 million cannot stay dhimmi to rule by folks the barracks.

However I find that there aren't a lot of Pakistani takers of my opinion in this forum, at least overtly.

As Pakistan is more or less a feudal society - a lot of people get benefited by the military by association.

One guy told me everyone in Pakistan 'loved' the military.

This will keep being true unless and until people over there get educated in relatively large numbers and start demanding rights and democracy.

Good luck to Pakistanis for a better future.

And you think the step in demanding right is to side line our military?
The people who hate our military want to over run our country, which we understand very well.

 

[Bengal71]

Absolutely. I have said this many times. A country of 200 million cannot stay dhimmi to rule by folks the barracks.

However I find that there aren't a lot of Pakistani takers of my opinion in this forum, at least overtly.

As Pakistan is more or less a feudal society - a lot of people get benefited by the military by association.

One guy told me everyone in Pakistan 'loved' the military.

This will keep being true unless and until people over there get educated in relatively large numbers and start demanding rights and democracy.

Good luck to Pakistanis for a better future.

They indeed do love their military, it is true.

I don't think it has a lot to do with education (or lack of it) since they are not far behind in education compared to the rest of the region. It in my opinion is the fauji mindset they developed for centuries due to Islamic rule in that region, that region saw numerous military actions of the Islamic armies throughout history and the inhabitants became conditioned to it. Islamic states (historically) were military states and Muslims are a fauji people, it's part of the creed of Islamic monotheism.

 

[xyxmt]

However, it is true that the Muslim Punjabis had shown their true evil nature in the 1971 war against the Bengali civilians. People here do not criticize the Baluch and Pathans that much for the cruelty but blame the Punjabis. Punjabis were perhaps wary of their future in the PA if there remained a united Pakistan. Bengalis were demanding almost 50% quota for themselves in the PA. It was a crime.

It depends who you ask, ask Biharis and you will hear a different story, for them Punjabis were angel sent from God to help protect their woman get rapped and murdered, the rest of your rant about the true nature of punjabis...well I have broken down your propaganda in another thread and if you like I can do the math here again. Just for your knowledge, division of a country is based on hate, Mulims hated Hindus and hence Pakistan came in place, Bangalis hated rest of the Pakistan and hence Bangldesh came into being.

 

[Al-zakir]

In a letter written to Sri Kalidas Nag, Tagore stated, “There are two religions on the Earth which have distinct enmity against all other religions. These two are Christianity and Islam. They are not satisfied with just observing their own religions but are determined to destroy all other religions. That’s why the only way to make peace with them is to embrace their religion.”

Keep idolizing non-Muslim leaders and this is the kind of thinking you will learn.

Indeed, Tagore was a Muslim hater and he opposed the establishment of Dacca university. He beloved Muslim belongs to paddy filed than school.

Asoos, same so called Muslims of Bangladesh idolize him.

It’s reference to the language movement where West Pakistani ruler tried to impose Urdu on Bengali people and students protested on 21st February of 1952 and died. Bengali and Irish are the only group of people in the world who fought for their language.

Due to the sacrifice of Bengali students on 21st feb the day has recognized as international mother language day!!

Academic discussion is fine but Bengali culture this or that has no relevance in today’s reality. It already served its purpose. Move on.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Even Mujib in the beginning called himself a proud Pakistani before separation of Bangladesh.

Make no mistake. After the 1965 war with India, Mujib and Co. started peddling this nonsense of giving up Kashmir for peace with India and that Bangalis had no fight with India.

He was a full-on traitor to Pakistan in every sense of the word.

Letting a man like this come to power in Pakistan would have been a disaster. This is why I support Bhutto’s strong stance against him.

Things happened the right way as they should. Any other method would have galvanized other traitors like MQM and ANP.

Pakistani army fought like lions against overwhelming odds and Pakistani leadership secured their return home.

Bhutto recognized Bangladesh at the OIC in Lahore and pushed other Muslim nations to do so to normalize relations.

Indeed, Tagore was a Muslim hater and he opposed the establishment of Dacca university. He beloved Muslim belongs to paddy filed than school.

Asoos, same so called Muslims of Bangladesh idolize him.




Academic discussion is fine but Bengali culture this or that has no relevance in today’s reality. It already served its purpose. Move on.

Is it true what another poster has written about Kazi Nazrul Islam being an idol worshipper, having a Hindu wife, and being a fan of Tagore?

 

[MultaniGuy]

Make no mistake. After the 1965 war with India, Mujib and Co. started peddling this nonsense of giving up Kashmir for peace with India and that Bangalis had no fight with India.

He was a full-on traitor to Pakistan in every sense of the word.

Letting a man like this come to power in Pakistan would have been a disaster. This is why I support Bhutto’s strong stance against him.

Things happened the right way as they should. Any other method would have galvanized other traitors like MQM and ANP.

Pakistani army fought like lions against overwhelming odds and Pakistani leadership secured their return home.

Bhutto recognized Bangladesh at the OIC in Lahore and pushed other Muslim nations to do so to normalize relations.



Is it true what another poster has written about Kazi Nazrul Islam being an idol worshipper, having a Hindu wife, and being a fan of Tagore?

I was not alive in 1970's. So I cannot form an opinion. I do not know Bhutto or Mujib personally.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

However, it is true that the Muslim Punjabis had shown their true evil nature in the 1971 war against the Bengali civilians. People here do not criticize the Baluch and Pathans that much for the cruelty but blame the Punjabis. Punjabis were perhaps wary of their future in the PA if there remained a united Pakistan. Bengalis were demanding almost 50% quota for themselves in the PA. It was a crime.

Punjabis, Punjabis, Punjabis.

I can’t believe you guys actually believe this BS Propaganda.

 

[Yankee-stani]

Punjabis, Punjabis, Punjabis.

I can’t believe you guys actually believe this BS Propaganda.

To Bengalis the word is like a curse dude its a province and culture I think its because of the propaganda that Pakistan was more of Punjabistan bs

 

[MultaniGuy]

To Bengalis the word is like a curse dude its a province and culture I think its because of the propaganda that Pakistan was more of Punjabistan bs

Disgusting to blame just Punjabis. I mean there are many Pathans and Sindhis in the army as well.

 

[SABRE]

Pardon my ignorance but who is trying to destroy Bengali culture?