No respect for the Indian armed force?

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

DO OUR GOVERNMENTS HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR ARMED FORCES

Our armed forces have played a key role in maintaining democracy in our country. at no point have they ever undermined the authority of civilian govt. even when they could see army generals ruling the country on the western border, they never withdrew their unflinching support to civilian govt. but how have the civilian govts treated them?

There has been continual lowering of status of our armed forces chiefs in terms of protocol. chiefs of 1950s enjoyed tremendous power. Then came the era of krishna menon who began to undermine the power of military. our armed forces were increasingly kept outside the strategic loop. our leaders saw military rule in pakistan and that probably gave them sleepless nights. The idea of india being governed by military rule where in their own importance wd be lost was a great motivator in lowersing status of armed forces.

Even Indira ghandhi felt threatened by rise of indian armed forces in 71. Maneckshaw was a popular man and she really felt threatened. this was even wen the greatman publicly stated that he has no intention of overthrowing civilian govt.

But the main reason for decline in respect are the generals themselves. they never had unity amongst themselves. Each one working for his own interests in the hope of making to a diplomatic post like governor in future.

Can any one believe the armed force chiefs have to undergo security check at airport. the people who r meant to protect us have to go throught the whole process. where as Rahul or robert vadra have got exemptions from that check. this is the level of respect our govt has for armed forces.

A Jt secy with 13-15 yrs of service overturnes a decision given by a air vice marshal with 30 yrs of service. The govt also knows it requires babus to run country and support their decisions. Can any one imagine our armed forces were not aware of both 1974 and 1998 nuclear blasts. they were told just minutes before the nuclear explosin. our forces chiefs have no say in nuclear diplomacy. much as we debate this is the real fact.

only armed forces can get themselves out of this mess or the govt will continues to lower their status and they will continuously be kept out of strategic decisions.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Arjun MBT scandal, Gorshkov scandal, LCA-revised-requirements scandal, Adarsh land-allotment scandal, Army ration inventory scandals, Sleeping-with-russian-chick-scandal, French-euro-bribe-aeroIndia-2011 scandal ......and endless scandals of passing national security into hands of foreign weapon suppliers.

It is better to keep these fools out of any core decision-making, otherwise they will outsource job of running Indian military to foreign consultants.

A surgery is required to clean up huge mess inside Indian armed forces and their honey-traps with Russian wh-res for weapon imports contracts.

Talking about respect? Bull$hit! Respect of these army walaah's has only gone down amongst public, only because of arrogance of Indian military leadership to act/take action against the corrupts.

If antony wouldn't be around, those morons won't even act against that corrupt Brigadier who ate money alloted for Kargil martyr. Heck, IAF guys are now making money for even placing French aircrafts during Aero-India shows? What a SHAME such incidents are on India's image, during such international events! And on top of it, IAF claims the officer is not co-operating with probe. WTF?

Chinese military is far more organised and clear-minded when supporting Chinese talent in defence R&D and very strict about discipline & corruption in their cadres. Indian military is full of puppets who are ready to sell themselves to political parties.

 

[Leader]

ARmies in third world countries are always one of the decision makers, they also set the direction of the country. India's case is no different.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Can any one believe the armed force chiefs have to undergo security check at airport. the people who r meant to protect us have to go throught the whole process. where as Rahul or robert vadra have got exemptions from that check. this is the level of respect our govt has for armed forces.

Oh yes, We know very well about typical arrogance of these d*ckheaded army types - "I am holy and pure. Don't touch me, you common man!".

Army is not above law. Law is same for everyone. It is a question of national security and NOONE should be given free-pass at airports. Can Indian army give assurance in writing that none of its 1 million soldier will turn rogue and hijack a plane? No airforce in world does that! This reporter is some idiot with very low-IQ and his own psyco-socialist ideas.

Now, seriously, does this report thinks that Robert vadera or priyanka chopra will hijack a plane? Is he out of his mind? This comparison only shows how much corrupt and greedy Army is getting with glamour and forgetting their basic duties.

A Jt secy with 13-15 yrs of service overturnes a decision given by a air vice marshal with 30 yrs of service.

Ask that Army officer to sit in IAS exam. We will know who has more brains.

 

[angeldemon_007]

ARmies in third world countries are always one of the decision makers, they also set the direction of the country. India's case is no different.

India is completely different. In other countries half of the time the country is ruled by army but in India, steps were taken right through the beginning that army is kept away from decision making. Nobody listens to armed forces in India. Pakistan is way better, because the strength of army allows them to make any purchases they want at any timebut not here in India. Saala we haven't inducted artillery since god knows when. Most of our t72 are in their final stages of their life cycle, there's a great shortage of Anti tank missiles etc.

Arjun MBT scandal, Gorshkov scandal, LCA-revised-requirements scandal, Adarsh land-allotment scandal, Army ration inventory scandals, Sleeping-with-russian-chick-scandal, French-euro-bribe-aeroIndia-2011 scandal ......and endless scandals of passing national security into hands of foreign weapon suppliers.

It is better to keep these fools out of any core decision-making, otherwise they will outsource job of running Indian military to foreign consultants.

Hey its not like that man....don't be so rude. You should also count what were their achievements. IA, IAF, IN helps whenever their help is sought but they never complain. Just remember CWG and tell me why did government asked to build the bridge. The work which IA did in Laddakh last year is still an example man. They do the work of disaster management.

Saala, they are doing the job of ambulance in J&K and those people in Sri Nagar didn't even thank them and instead throw stones on them. While our neighbors are telling their armies that they should lean from IA and you going in the opposite direction.

It is because of the strictness and discipline in armed forces that corruption cases are even noticed and just look how quickly to resolve all the cases. They are punishing even the Lt.Gen rank people man...its a very high post, just go to some other country you will find that such high ranking officials can't be touched but here we are putting them behind bars.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Indian army needs even foreign consultants to validate technical parameters of Arjun MBT. They can't even do their own job properly and they want a share in IAS's job?

The reporter is some ch*tiyah army-wallah.

 

[KS]

Oh yes, We know very well about typical arrogance of these d*ckheaded army types - "I am holy and pure. Don't touch me, you common man!".

Army is not above law. Law is same for everyone. It is a question of national security and NOONE should be given free-pass at airports. Can Indian army give assurance in writing that none of its 1 million soldier will turn rogue and hijack a plane? No airforce in world does that! This reporter is some idiot with very low-IQ and his own psyco-socialist ideas.

Now, seriously, does this report thinks that Robert vadera or priyanka chopra will hijack a plane? Is he out of his mind? This comparison only shows how much corrupt and greedy Army is getting with glamour and forgetting their basic duties.

Are you out of your bloody effing mind ?? I see that every thread you post unnecessarily blames the Armed Forces and more than that makes DRDO the worlds sooper dooper R&D agency ??

I dont care a $hit what you think of the DRDO but have some word of respect for the Armed Forces.

And it is not the reporter who low on IQ it is you who cannot comprehend what he has written. It is clearly said that even the Armed Force Chiefs (you know who the ACM,Admiral etc are ?? )is forced to undergo security checks in Airports. Does you high IQ brain think that the ACM will turn rogue and hijack a plane while Robetrt effing Vadra will not ??

Read fully and understand completely before spouting BS.

That's because that 13-15 year IAS officer(Jt secy) has more brains than that stubborn-headed arrogant 30year army officer.

Then why dont you di8kheads and go serve in the Army and face the bullets instead of sitting behind a monitor and pounding on the keyboard ?

Indian army needs even foreign consultants to validate technical parameters of Arjun MBT. They can't even do their own job properly and they want a share in IAS's job?

The reporter is some ch*tiyah army-wallah.

It is because of that chu88tiya army-wallah you are sitting and $hitting on you keyboard safely and what the fack has Arjun got to do with this ?

 

[pmukherjee]

Arjun MBT scandal, Gorshkov scandal, LCA-revised-requirements scandal, Adarsh land-allotment scandal, Army ration inventory scandals, Sleeping-with-russian-chick-scandal, French-euro-bribe-aeroIndia-2011 scandal ......and endless scandals of passing national security into hands of foreign weapon suppliers.

It is better to keep these fools out of any core decision-making, otherwise they will outsource job of running Indian military to foreign consultants.

A surgery is required to clean up huge mess inside Indian armed forces and their honey-traps with Russian wh-res for weapon imports contracts.

Talking about respect? Bull$hit! Respect of these army walaah's has only gone down amongst public, only because of arrogance of Indian military leadership to act/take action against the corrupts.

If antony wouldn't be around, those morons won't even act against that corrupt Brigadier who ate money alloted for Kargil martyr. Heck, IAF guys are now making money for even placing French aircrafts during Aero-India shows? What a SHAME such incidents are on India's image, during such international events! And on top of it, IAF claims the officer is not co-operating with probe. WTF?

Chinese military is far more organised and clear-minded when supporting Chinese talent in defence R&D and very strict about discipline & corruption in their cadres. Indian military is full of puppets who are ready to sell themselves to political parties.

I find your post offensive in the extreme. However, I will not descend to your level of foul mouthing you the way you have foul mouthed the Armed Forces of this country I will assume that you have a pathological psychological condition and I will leave it at that.

Yes, the thread starter is correct. The nation that does not respect its soldier does not deserve to be called a nation. My only observation is that our nation is not really to be blamed for this state of affairs. It is mainly our political class and the bureaucratic class which is at fault. The reasons for this are well known. Maybe, time will cure this anomaly. I hope to God it does as otherwise the scenario is too scary to imagine.

 

[KS]

@mukherjee:

Exactly - Even if the armed forces and especially the top management are not exactly the paragon of excellence still they are doing what we internet warriors did not do and for that they deserve our respect.

And this guys probably knows $hit about the PLA which is a huge commercial empire ion itself and is said ot be the most corrupt and shady among the Chinese institutions.

 

[pmukherjee]

That's because that 13-15 year IAS officer(Jt secy) has more brains than that stubborn-headed arrogant 30year army officer.

Of course, he has, that is why the brainy 13-15 year IAS type runs away and requests the Army to restore the situation even as the first stone is thrown by an unruly mob. A mob that is protesting against the misdeeds of the administration which the great brainy guy permitted to happen in the first place by accepting offers of better and more lucrative postings from his political masters and accepting colossal gratification from business men and industrialists with a vested interest.

All is then left to the 5-6 year Army Captain/Major to bring things under control.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Whatever I said, I stand by it. I am not a blind believer in any institution.

If Indian military has deep rotten corruption, then that's a fact corroborated by several cases broking into open media, despite Army's attempts to cover it(why it took so much media pressure to take action on corrupt birgadier in land scam?). And it must be discussed in public. There is no need to hide because it hurts someone's hollow pride & prestige.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Of course, he has, that is why the brainy 13-15 year IAS type runs away and requests the Army to restore the situation even as the first stone is thrown by an unruly mob.

It is not IAS's job to get on street and take guns in his own hands. He is not supposed to do that job.

Similarly, Army officers are not qualified to understand 2000 complex clauses inside International laws and treaties so as to advise, beyond his duty to his seniors on how to take decisions.

Everyone has a job to do and asking for more than one's share is clear case of overriding the authority.

First ask the Army to use their own brains and don't invite foreign consultants to make decisions for them. First, do your own job properly, then lecture others.

And anyways, if Army is hungry for respect so much, then first give respect to common Indian men and stop being a shame on country by trying to act like superficial above the common, super-humans. That's exactly the path Armies o in dictator countries. Comparing the security protocols accorded to ruling dispension with regular Army soldiers types, is just beginning.

Protocols are protocols and they must be respected. They can't be confused with emotions(respect, hate, love, dream or whatever out of this reporter's as*).

 

[KS]

Whatever I said, I stand by it. I am not a blind believer in any institution.

If Indian military has deep rotten corruption, then that's a fact corroborated by several cases broking into open media, despite Army's attempts to cover it(why it took so much media pressure to take action on corrupt birgadier in land scam?). And it must be discussed in public. There is no need to hide because it hurts someone's hollow pride & prestige.

Tell me one institution that is corruption free in India.

Yes they will indulge in corruption when the fat ch*tiya babus in IAS get double their salary for doing 1/10 of their work and the rotten Government at the top does not include the Army men in the Pay Commision.

Now stick to your DRDO(all holy white angels) sucking and stop insulting the Armed Forces.

 

[KS]

It is not IAS's job to get on street and take guns in his own hands. He is not supposed to do that job.

Similarly, Army officers are not qualified to understand 2000 complex clauses inside International laws and treaties so as to advise, beyond his duty to his seniors on how to take decisions.

Everyone has a job to do and asking for more than one's share is clear case of overriding the authority.

First ask the Army to use their own brains and don't invite foreign consultants to make decisions for them. First, do your own job properly, then lecture others.

If it is needed for the defence of the country the Armed Forces will invite foreign consultants - because if they do not projects like Kaveri, Barak,Brahmos,FGFA would not be in the works.

Do you know anything except DRDO sucking and Army bashing ? Go cry a river. I have had enough of your Armed Forces bashing

 

[pmukherjee]

Whatever I said, I stand by it. I am not a blind believer in any institution.

If Indian military has deep rotten corruption, then that's a fact corroborated by several cases broking into open media, despite Army's attempts to cover it(why it took so much media pressure to take action on corrupt birgadier in land scam?). And it must be discussed in public. There is no need to hide because it hurts someone's hollow pride & prestige.

India is a democracy. The Army is under civilian rule and India is proud of this. This implies that it is primarily the civilians who call the shots in India which is the way it should be. But if it is a civilian show, why not throw some light on the jt secys presently in jail or queuing up just out side the jail? And remember, these guys are in jail now despite the best efforts of their political masters or their cadre of hushing up the matter. Why not have a public discourse about your heros, the Indian bureaucrats. The Army has a very harsh system of justice and self regulation, it is called the Army Act. What does the jt secy have? verbal warnings? admonishments? transfer?