No resolution for Kashmir due to UN’s indolence and world’s apathy: Syed Ali Geelani

[Kuru]

Can someone tell me why Pakistan is scared of UN referendum in Kashmir? Does it fear the outcome of such referendum?

 

[Assasin Ezio]

Do you really think that you can bullshit what I am saying. Look sunny I am not a fan boy like you.

Beijing: A Chinese scholar has sought to suggest China could send troops to Jammu and Kashmir if requested by Pakistan the way the Indian Army entered an area which is disputed by China and Bhutan.

https://www.editplatter.com/china-can-send-troops-to-kashmir-to-help-pakistan-chinese-scholar/

That guy is a nobody.
He neither belongs to the Chinese government nor CPC.

He is just another college professor.

 

[VCheng]

I think China is more supportive of a military solution over Kashmir. As in past China gave hint that China might deploy troops to the area for supporting ally Pakistan. When India can deploy troops to Doklam to support Bhutan China can also deploy troops to support Pakistan. It is becoming more of a cold game now.

China doesn't care about the status of Kashmir, they are just happy that thousands of Indians troops are tied down instead of being positioned against either them or Pakistan. This is ideal for them.

Whether Pakistan has China's support, political or even military, over this issue, remains to be seen. It has intentionally not managed to confirm or deny its support over this issue, other than carefully worded diplomatic statements that can be construed either way.

 

[BHarwana]

That guy is a nobody.
He neither belongs to the Chinese government nor CPC.

I said google there are many news reported from that time you really want to argue on it first research what I am saying don't act like a stroog kid I just gave you the top result. There are many guys saying that and China's main media and any thing on that is official China's word even if a single reporter is saying that because China is not democracy like rest of the world.

Whether Pakistan has China's support, political or even military, over this issue, remains to be seen. It has intentionally not managed to confirm or deny its support over this issue, other than carefully worded diplomatic statements that can be construed either way.

There has been clear cut statement from China just look at the case of Hafiz saeed. China will not interfere until Pakistan asks that has always been China's policy. Regarding India now China is confronting India in every direction. China has a habit of take on it's initial objective no matter what and will slowly shape things in that direction. A very simple question why did China came to Doklam what was the need of going there it is just a mountain ridge? Himachal is more resource full area and more important why not there?

 

[VCheng]

There has been clear cut statement from China just look at the case of Hafiz saeed. China will not interfere until Pakistan asks that has always been China's policy. Regarding India now China is confronting India in every direction. China has a habit of take on it's initial objective no matter what and will slowly shape things in that direction. A very simple question why did China came to Doklam what was the need of going there it is just a mountain ridge? Himachal is more resource full area and more important why not there?

So what you are saying is that we will not know China's stance over Kashmir until Pakistan formally asks for its support, which is basically the same thing as what I said, that we do not know where China stands at the moment in the matter.

 

[Assasin Ezio]

I said google there are many news reported from that time you really want to argue on it first research what I am saying don't act like a stroog kid I just gave you the top result. There are many guys saying that and China's main media and any thing on that is official China's word even if a single reporter is saying that because China is not democracy like rest of the world.

Why should I care about random news report, when the Chinese government has officially stated no change in their stance on Kashmir matters.

 

[BHarwana]

So what you are saying is that we will not know China's stance over Kashmir until Pakistan formally asks for its support, which is basically the same thing as what I said, that we do not know where China stands at the moment in the matter.

China's stance is very simple you want to go to war we are with you. In all and in every way. You want diplomacy handle is your self we will help you only in veto when you need it. Lets us do business but we are there when you really need help. China will be always there for Pakistan. Basically China views Pakistan in the same way as USA views Israel. Pakistan is strong enough to handle most things but if water reaches the bridge China will jump in without asking. Kashmir is a boiling point. China want Pakistan to slowly make a military advance gain strategic points and then go to UN and they will confirm Pakistan's stance with veto on any resolution against Pakistan. It is not China that is not willing to help it was PML-N that was not pushing the agenda.

 

[VCheng]

China's stance is very simple you want to go to war we are with you. In all and in every way. You want diplomacy handle is your self we will help you only in veto when you need it. Lets us do business but we are there when you really need help. China will be always there for Pakistan. Basically China views Pakistan in the same way as USA views Israel. Pakistan is strong enough to handle most things but if water reaches the bridge China will jump in without asking. Kashmir is a boiling point. China want Pakistan to slowly make a military advance gain strategic points and then go to UN and they will confirm Pakistan's stance with veto on any resolution against Pakistan. It is not China that is not willing to help it was PML-N that was not pushing the agenda.

What you have said above is pretty much how Pakistanis would like to view the issue.

 

[American Pakistani]

Can someone tell me why Pakistan is scared of UN referendum in Kashmir? Does it fear the outcome of such referendum?

It is india who is scared of refrendum cuz they knows the results. Pakistanis doesn' care about results as long as the Kashmiris become happy and satisfied with the results.

 

[BHarwana]

What you have said above is pretty much how Pakistanis would like to view the issue.

Actually Pakistan and India reached an understanding that India will stop killing Civilians in Kashmir and Pakistan will stop supporting the freedom war in conventional terms but can continue politically. This happened in time of Musharaf, Now with Modi things changed and the civilian killing started again in which India care fully covered the border before unleashing hell. But Pakistan is also now increasing it's activities because India shattered the truce. This situation is back to the time of 1999 when kargil war was initiated and will again result in some type of small war in north. COAS has given politicians the chance to do diplomacy if India fails to reach conclusion, Pakistan will act offensively because Army will never tolerate civilian deaths by Indian troops. If the new green light by COAS given to politicians fails just look at Afghanistan for some time as soon as some ground situation in Afghanistan changes that means there will be some event in Kashmir.

 

[VCheng]

Actually Pakistan and India reached an understanding that India will stop killing Civilians in Kashmir and Pakistan will stop supporting the freedom war in conventional terms but can continue politically. This happened in time of Musharaf, Now with Modi things changed and the civilian killing started again in which India care fully covered the border before unleashing hell. But Pakistan is also now increasing it's activities because India shattered the truce. This situation is back to the time of 1999 when kargil war was initiated and will again result in some type of small war in north. COAS has given politicians the chance to do diplomacy if India fails to reach conclusion, Pakistan will act offensively because Army will never tolerate civilian deaths by Indian troops. If the new green light by COAS given to politicians fails just look at Afghanistan for some time as soon as some ground situation in Afghanistan changes that means there will be some event in Kashmir.

Whatever the history, China's active support can help Pakistan quite a lot, if it chooses to do so, going forward.

 

[Sully3]

Meanwhile in Indian illegally occupied Kashmir

 

[Kuru]

It is india who is scared of refrendum cuz they knows the results. Pakistanis doesn' care about results as long as the Kashmiris become happy and satisfied with the results.

If you aren't scared of the outcome, so why don't you complete the preconditions for the UN referendum to take place? Why such total disregard for the world body?

 

[BHarwana]

Whatever the history, China's active support can help Pakistan quite a lot, if it chooses to do so, going forward.

China is helping Kashmir cause more than Pakistani politicians that is the end line. If you can comprehend that. "Mudai sust gawah chust" seen is happening

 

[American Pakistani]

If you aren't scared of the outcome, so why don't you complete the preconditions for the UN referendum to take place? Why such total disregard for the world body?

Because Pakistan cannot allow untrustworthy india to occupy the liberated Azad Kashmir. Pakistan can hold refrendum in azad Kashmir under strict UN and International monitoring and you do the same in IOK.