No Problems in Acquiring Engines for JF-17 Aircraft :PAF Chief

[ANG]

Hi, kindly please read this article. It mentions Russian intransigence in regards to the RD-93 engine for the potential sale of JF-17s to Egypt. In the long run, having a domestic Chinese engine like the WS-13 is the best strategy. Take care.

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[fatman17]

thought i will post this here to illustrate that Russia and China are actively engaged to 'resolve' their issues as stated below - so pls dont fret and chill-out!

BUSINESS
Date Posted: 18-Nov-2010


Jane's Defence Weekly

Russia and China seek accord on unlicensed materiel production

Guy Anderson Jane's Defence Industry Editor - London

Russia and China have announced that they will seek to settle issues relating to the unlicensed production of Russian military materiel: a deal that follows a similar agreement with Bulgaria as Moscow pushes to defend its intellectual property rights in the defence domain.

The announcement - carried by the Russian RIA Novosti state information service on 16 November - was made by Rosoboronexport deputy chief Alexander Mikheyev at the Airshow China 2010 event in Zhuhai.

Allegations concerning unlicensed production of Russian-derived materiel by China has long been a source of friction between Moscow and Beijing.

The highest profile example involves China's Shenyang J-11A fighter aircraft, which appears to owe much to the Sukhoi SU-27SK (which China produced under license). Allegations have also been made concerning the reverse engineering of Russian defence electronic systems, such as radar and data-link systems for the Sovremenny II 959E destroyer, and Fregat M2EM 3D and Mineral-ME radar systems.

The issue is sensitive, however. China has long been one of Russia's largest defence export markets, having accounted for an average of 20 per cent per annum over the last three years.

Jane's has previously reported that Russia claims to lose USD6 billion per annum as a result of unlicensed weapons production worldwide. Of this, USD2 billion was attributed to unauthorised Kalashnikov assault rifle production.

Jane's reported on 14 November that Russia and Bulgaria had also reached an agreement to seek an end to unauthorised production of Russian-designed equipment.

The issue is long running. Rosoboronexport told Jane's in 2006 that Russia had failed to pay sufficient attention to its intellectual property rights in the past.

 

[sathya]

i was just thinking whether china will persuade russia to give thurst vectored RD 93?

 

[ANG]

Hi Mr. Sathya, I think China has that technology already. Back in 2002, there was video clip aired that showed then president of China, Mr. Jiang Zemin, playing with a thrust vectoring engine in a production facility. China is also developing this technology for their stealth aircraft project.

Air Forces Monthly a year or so ago had a good article on thrust vectoring. In it, they concluded that having an off-boresight missile capability combined with a helmet mounted display was better than having thurst vectoring. Take care.

 

[TaimiKhan]

i was just thinking whether china will persuade russia to give thurst vectored RD 93?

Is there a need for JF-17 to have thrust vectored RD-93 ??

Not at this stage.

 

[ANG]

Hi, and to follow-up on Mr. TamiKhan's point. The PAF should concentrate on getting a more powerful engine, composites to reduce weight, IRST, in-flight refueling, and an AESA radar for Block II. TVC can wait and is probably not even required. Thanks!

 

[kingdurgaking]

Any information on the maintenance cost for every hour of flying by JF17?.. I think this is very critical than the overall Plane cost

 

[TaimiKhan]

Any information on the maintenance cost for every hour of flying by JF17?.. I think this is very critical than the overall Plane cost

A very complicated topic, if discussed. Plus for now the data is not available with respect to JF-17, but the flying cost per hr for JF-17 is considerably down, when compared to the current fleet of fighter jets of PAF.

 

[Last Hope]

Some people just like to spread false rumors.
We must not get into them, until it was said by officials.

 

[fatman17]

Any information on the maintenance cost for every hour of flying by JF17?.. I think this is very critical than the overall Plane cost

whats your point?

 

[abaseen99]

Wednesday, January 13, 2010China buys Russian engines for JF-17 and J-10
China, which has not found a Western supplier, has decided to buy Russian engines for its FC-1/JF-17 Xiaolong multirole fighter plane, a rival of Russia's MiG-29 in developing countries.In late December 2009, Russian state arms exporter Rosoboronexport signed a contract with China to deliver 43 RD-93 engines, a modification of the RD-33 engines mounted on the MiG-29 planes.



Aviaport, a news agency of the Russian aircraft industry, reported yesterday that China would receive the engines by the end of the year and that the first 25 engines had been manufactured at the Chernyshev mechanical engineering enterprise in Moscow. The agency said another contract could be signed in May for 100 such engines.



A manager at one of Russia's producers of aircraft engines said the December contract was worth $160 million.The contract has completed a framework agreement signed in 2006 to deliver 100 RD-93 engines to China. Russia has already supplied 57 such engines, said Konstantin Makiyenko, an analyst with the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.



The engines are to be mounted on the FC-1 fighter planes, which China makes for export. It signed the first contract for 150 such aircraft with Pakistan, where the fighter plane is assembled.A more complicated and expensive fighter designed for the Chinese Air Force in the past two decades, J-10, also has a Russian engine, AL-31FN, Makiyenko said. The latest contract for the delivery of 122 such engines, worth approximately $500 million, was signed in January 2009.



The FC-1 is the biggest rival of Russia's MiG-29 Fulcrum in developing countries, the analyst said. However, the Russian plane won the first direct competition in Myanmar, which decided to buy 20 MiG-29s for 400 million euros in December 2009 even though China offered better terms for a mixed delivery of the FC-1 and J-10 planes.



"China has more than once said that it has created an engine for its planes, but this is unlikely because it continues to buy Russian engines," Makiyenko said.China has no alternative for the Russian engines, said Mikhail Barabanov, editor-in-chief of Moscow Defense Brief. The United States will not supply such engines to China so as not to strengthen its opponent, while the EU does not deliver military equipment to China due to sanctions, he said.



According to Barabanov, the delivery of engines, which are a key element of aircraft, is a good opportunity for Russia to prevent Chinese aircraft from becoming a big rival of Russian planes.The FC-1/JF-17 (Fighter China-1) Xiaolong is the result of a joint Chinese-Pakistani development program that started in 1999, with each side contributing 50% of the total development cost.