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No place for Ahmadis in Imran Khan’s Naya Pakistan

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Imran Khan’s latest video sums up everything that is wrong with our politicians. He has long been bandied about as a saviour and messiah, come to rescue this country and build towards a ‘Naya Pakistan’.

On paper, he is educated, courageous and relentless in pursuit of success. His cricket days endeared him to millions in this country and his charity work is exemplary. I do not doubt his honesty and I do not doubt his intentions. Just like any other political candidate, I seek to judge him based on what he says and what he does.

His video, however, where he emphatically rejected notions of repealing the second amendment to the Pakistani constitution which declares the Ahmadi community to be non-Muslims does him no good. He stated yesterday,

“PTI totally subscribes to the article in the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on the Ahmadis. It is not part of the PTI agenda to seek amendment of the said article in the Constitution.”

This country has been ravaged by sectarian and ethnic conflicts- we do not value life anymore. We are impervious to the plight of the Hazaras yet we continue to ask potential election candidates whether they can recite the kalma?

We let elected members without educational degrees become our ministers but we do nothing about the brazen manner of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and its violent operations?

We complain about Israel every opportunity we get but light entire neighbourhoods of the Christian community on fire?

Blasphemy law, rape law, treatment of the Ahmadi community, the list goes on forever.

Have you read the MQM manifesto? It talks about human rights.

I would be laughed at if I walked around with it trying to convince people that the MQM deserves our vote because of what their manifesto says. MQM offices get attacked and, shamelessly, we joke about how what goes around comes around. Yet it was the MQM which pointed out the threat of the Taliban back in 2007 and nobody paid any heed to it and today, a city is paying for the warnings it ignored.

What if I was to do the same but with Imran Khan and his manifesto?

I would, in all likelihood, be applauded for making an educated choice in putting my support behind a man who will change the country. No one will say the Imran Khan has never uttered a word against the on-going sectarian conflicts or the rising Taliban power in southern Pakistan. No one will point to the fact that Imran Khan denounced the Ahmadi community’s desire to be included in Islam in less than two minutes using his personal religious belief as a basis.

What bothers me is the hypocritical ease with which we, the people, look such things over and pretend they never happened.

Today, a political candidate is denying a group a basic right to identify based on a fundamentally wrong constitutional law. Tomorrow, someone will go a step further and deny some other group another basic right. Such inherent and open discriminations end up in a vicious cycle.

Just ask the Germans.
No place for Ahmadis in Imran Khan’s Naya Pakistan – The Express Tribune Blog
 
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ET blog as usual. just bec they have a problem with a certain clause, they expect everyone to marry their viewpoint. ET Blog is a fatwa factory for liberal maulvis...
im sure this person wasnt gonna vote for PTI anyways.

the human rights of qadiyanis are not being violated because of a certain clause in the constitution. Infact qadiyanis had filed a case in the international court of justice during the time of Zia. Even ICJ had given a verdict that this does not violate the human rights of the said community. i think, 13 out of 15 judges were in favour of the final verdict.

the real problem is to do with the justice system, depoliticizing police, procedural laws etc - all of which incentivize intolerance by letting the culprits get away. its similar to how christians are persecuted and in many cases certain sects of muslims as well.
 
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This is propaganda from noora league! How many places to ahmadis has noon league given to ahmadis??
 
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The popularity IK getting nowadays , it will definitely leads to ganja winning in upcoming elections .
 
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The point is why does the State have to decide who is Muslim and who is not.

Because we are the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, so we have to first define who is Muslim.

And Qadiyanis are not Muslims by any definition of the word, be it from Saudi Arabia, Turkey or anywhere else.

As for the article, yet another garbage dump by ET...he said that they will not repeal the law, so what's wrong???

This author has got caught up in the MQM/PPP liberal garbage. These parties are just liberal because they don't say anything...they don't say we support this guy or that, they just keep quiet so the general notion becomes that they are liberal.

I would much rather vote for a MUllah Imran Khan than a liberal PPP or MQM.

And ajpirzada very rightly said that ET is made up of liberal maulvis. Liberal means letting anyone do anything they want, but these folks who are wannabe liberals force everyone to come their own way just like a Mullah forces everyone.

Why does the State have laws that anyone who wishes to leave Islam must be killed.

No it does not have laws like this.
 
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The point is why does the State have to decide who is Muslim and who is not.
Why does the State have laws that anyone who wishes to leave Islam must be killed.

ISLAMIC republic of pakistan
 
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Why i am not suprised?? Mulana Disel and Ganja has started old tactics... but its not 1997
 
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These Ahmadis should be deported, their whole ideology is against Pakistan. Bogus cult religion who think they can be mainstream, living in a fools paradise.
 
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No we dont. Many muslims leave their faith and nobody got death penalty. some muslims might try to kill them, but that is not usual.

I was talking about hindus being killed for converting to other faiths and incidents of hindus forcefully converting others.
As an example.
The Observer encountered compelling evidence of the scale of the violence employed in a conversion programme apparently sanctioned by members of one of the most powerful Hindu groups in India, the 6.8-million member Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) - the World Hindu Council.

Standing in the ashes of her neighbour's house in the village of Sarangagada, Jaspina Naik, 32, spoke nervously, glancing towards a group of Hindu men watching her suspiciously. 'My neighbours said, "If you go on being Christians, we will burn your houses and your children in front of you, so make up your minds quickly",' she said. 'I was scared. Christians have no place in this area now.'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/19/orissa-violence-india-christianity-hinduism

Am not here to make out that pakistanis are all so pure and the indians are evil but that when it comes to faith and certain things the indians accuse us of ,they should look at themselfs first.
 
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I was talking about hindus being killed for converting to other faiths and incidents of hindus forcefully converting others.
As an example.
The Observer encountered compelling evidence of the scale of the violence employed in a conversion programme apparently sanctioned by members of one of the most powerful Hindu groups in India, the 6.8-million member Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) - the World Hindu Council.

Standing in the ashes of her neighbour's house in the village of Sarangagada, Jaspina Naik, 32, spoke nervously, glancing towards a group of Hindu men watching her suspiciously. 'My neighbours said, "If you go on being Christians, we will burn your houses and your children in front of you, so make up your minds quickly",' she said. 'I was scared. Christians have no place in this area now.'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/19/orissa-violence-india-christianity-hinduism

Am not here to make out that pakistanis are all so pure and the indians are evil but that when it comes to faith and certain things the indians accuse us of ,they should look at themselfs first.

I wont deny that it happed somewhere. India is so big and vast, something is going on somewhere. And yes, hindu right wing is getting scarier.
If you are using this to compare with the institutionalized discrimination against non muslims ( and ahmedis as many posts here suggest), I would say we still have time to reach that stage.

These Ahmadis should be deported, their whole ideology is against Pakistan. Bogus cult religion who think they can be mainstream, living in a fools paradise.
given enough time, many cults can become religion.... many major religions you see currently started as cult. :)
 
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