No more ship-grounding tricks will be allowed in South China Sea

[Zero_wing]

Its not that important to try to reason with internet people. What is more important is that the Tribunal had already agreed with the Philippines in adjuducating the DOC to be a non-binding treaty and that it has no implications for the ongoing court procedure.

You're right but again these people are just pushing it and they are all drones with propaganda as if they have some points as if

 

[William Hung]

You're right but again these people are just pushing it and they are all drones with propaganda as if they have some points as if

Yea just post this reference about the ASEAN-CN DOC being adjudicated as having no legal implication for the court case:

PCA :: Case view

In the operative part of its Award on Jurisdiction and Admissibility, the Tribunal:

E.

FINDS that the 2002 China–ASEAN Declaration on Conduct of the Parties in the South China Sea, the joint statements of the Parties referred to in paragraphs 231 to 232 of this Award, the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation in Southeast Asia, and the Convention on Biological Diversity, do not preclude, under Articles 281 or 282 of the Convention, recourse to the compulsory dispute settlement procedures available under Section 2 of Part XV of the Convention.

 

[Zero_wing]

Yea just post this reference about the ASEAN-CN DOC being adjudicated as having no legal implication for the court case:

yes because it's a non binding agreement so no consequent if any one violates it like china knows to honor its word i think the island building and harassment is already evidence enough.

 

[Solomon2]

Lol China's territory are not found in the basis of the CCP, has nothing to do with the CCP, but derives from China's historical ownership -

No, sir. In a letter addendum to UNCLOS China said it's borders are whatever the Party says they are:

"The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.".

 

[Zero_wing]

No, sir. In a letter addendum to UNCLOS China said it's borders are whatever the Party says they are:

"The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.".

Man the chinese trolls don't even know they just drone to the party and not for the interest of china or her people just the interest of the party poor drones

 

[TaiShang]

South China Sea issue biggest challenge for Chinese diplomacy
Chinese netizens believe that the South China Sea issue may become the biggest challenge for Chinese diplomacy in 2016, a survey has found.

An aerial photo taken on Sept. 25, 2015 from a seaplane of Hainan Maritime Safety Administration shows cruise vessel Haixun 1103 heading to the Yacheng 13-1 drilling rig during a patrol in south China Sea. [Photo/Xinhua]



Xinhua International and toutiao.com jointly conducted a survey on Chinese diplomacy among Chinese netizens on Monday and Tuesday.

On the question of "Which issue will most test the wisdom of Chinese diplomacy?" Forty-three percent of the respondents chose the South China Sea issue, 32 percent chose China-U.S. relations, 17 percent chose the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue and 8 percent chose the tracking of corrupt officials overseas.

The Chinese netizens' viewpoint coincides with that of their overseas counterparts.

Xinhua's social media account New China on Monday also carried out a survey about the press conference of Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, in which overseas netizens said they cared most about the South China Sea issue.

At the press conference held Tuesday on the sidelines of the ongoing session of China's National People's Congress, Wang said that the Nansha Islands have been China's inherent territories and all Chinese descendants have the obligation to defend them.

Any attempts to disturb the South China Sea and destabilize Asia would not be allowed by China and most other countries in the region, he said.

In his speech delivered at the U.S. Center for Strategic and International Studies on Feb. 25, Wang said the current situation in the South China Sea remains stable on the whole and navigation safety and freedom of passage in the area has never been affected.

China holds that resolving differences through dialogue and negotiation is the most important factor in ensuring the stability of the South China Sea, he said.

The Xinhua International-toutiao.com survey also asked netizens "What event impressed you most in 2015?" Half of the respondents chose the military parade at Tiananmen Square on Sept. 3 and the V-day diplomacy.

On Sept. 3, 2015, China held a military parade marking the 70th anniversary of the victory of the Chinese People's War of Resistance and the World Anti-Fascist War. Twenty-three heads of state and government watched the parade.

On the question of "What diplomatic event do you pay most attention to?" Fifty-seven percent chose "promoting major-country diplomacy, safeguarding sovereignty, security and development."

 

[hirobo2]

South China Sea issue biggest challenge for Chinese diplomacy
Chinese netizens believe that the South China Sea issue may become the biggest challenge for Chinese diplomacy in 2016, a survey has found.

An aerial photo taken on Sept. 25, 2015 from a seaplane of Hainan Maritime Safety Administration shows cruise vessel Haixun 1103 heading to the Yacheng 13-1 drilling rig during a patrol in south China Sea. [Photo/Xinhua]



Xinhua International and toutiao.com jointly conducted a survey on Chinese diplomacy among Chinese netizens on Monday and Tuesday.

On the question of "Which issue will most test the wisdom of Chinese diplomacy?" Forty-three percent of the respondents chose the South China Sea issue, 32 percent chose China-U.S. relations, 17 percent chose the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue and 8 percent chose the tracking of corrupt officials overseas.

The Chinese netizens' viewpoint coincides with that of their overseas counterparts.

Xinhua's social media account New China on Monday also carried out a survey about the press conference of Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, in which overseas netizens said they cared most about the South China Sea issue.

At the press conference held Tuesday on the sidelines of the ongoing session of China's National People's Congress, Wang said that the Nansha Islands have been China's inherent territories and all Chinese descendants have the obligation to defend them.

Any attempts to disturb the South China Sea and destabilize Asia would not be allowed by China and most other countries in the region, he said.

In his speech delivered at the U.S. Center for Strategic and International Studies on Feb. 25, Wang said the current situation in the South China Sea remains stable on the whole and navigation safety and freedom of passage in the area has never been affected.

China holds that resolving differences through dialogue and negotiation is the most important factor in ensuring the stability of the South China Sea, he said.

The Xinhua International-toutiao.com survey also asked netizens "What event impressed you most in 2015?" Half of the respondents chose the military parade at Tiananmen Square on Sept. 3 and the V-day diplomacy.

On Sept. 3, 2015, China held a military parade marking the 70th anniversary of the victory of the Chinese People's War of Resistance and the World Anti-Fascist War. Twenty-three heads of state and government watched the parade.

On the question of "What diplomatic event do you pay most attention to?" Fifty-seven percent chose "promoting major-country diplomacy, safeguarding sovereignty, security and development."

I agree about the Tiananmen Square parade. Most impressive show of military might. Putin was there, so was SK's President Park, et al., well, at least the ppl that matter the most to China's future anyways...

 

[Dungeness]

No, sir. In a letter addendum to UNCLOS China said it's borders are whatever the Party says they are:

"The People's Republic of China reaffirms its sovereignty over all its archipelagos and islands as listed in article 2 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on the territorial sea and the contiguous zone, which was promulgated on 25 February 1992.".

China's border was inherited from ROC it replaced in 1949, and it has nothing to do with what "the Party says". You can just google the map of ROC to verify. So far, China has not claimed an inch of territory that was not on the map of ROC.

 

[Tiqiu]

U.S. Intelligence Assessment Disputes Chinese Claims of Limited Militarization, Ceased Land Reclamation in South China Sea - USNI News
This remark at the end of the article pretty summed up what all Chinese are feeling:“The biggest questions is: So what?”

chinese-claims-of-limited-militarization-ceased-land-reclamation-in-south-china-sea
U.S. Intelligence Assessment Disputes Chinese Claims of Limited Militarization, Ceased Land Reclamation in South China Sea
By: Sam LaGrone
March 8, 2016 2:22 PM • Updated: March 9, 2016 10:34 AM

Chinese troops patrol disputed holding in the Spratly Islands. Photo via Reuters

A recently revealed U.S. assessment of Chinese military capability on holdings in the South China Sea runs counter to a narrative from Beijing that weapons on the artificial islands are merely for self defense, according to the late February assessment outlined in a letter by Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and obtained by USNI News.

According to the unclassified assessment, “China will have significant capacity to quickly project substantial offensive military power to the region,” by next year which conflicts with claims made last year by China’s president and foreign minister.

Senior officials in Beijing have asserted over the last several months that China has stopped land reclamation in the Spratly Island chain in the South China Sea and would only equip the islands with only enough military firepower to defend installations on the reclaimed land and nothing more.

“Relevant construction activities that China are undertaking in the island of South — Nansha [Spratly] Islands do not target or impact any country, and China does not intend to pursue militarization,” Chinese President Xi Jinping said at the White House in September.
“We support freedom of navigation and overflight of countries according to international law and the management of differences through dialogue… We have agreed to maintain constructive communication on relevant issues.”

A month earlier, Chinese Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi said China has stopped reclamation efforts in the Spratlys – the island chain of the Western coast of the Philippines.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi.

However, those claims might not be accurate according to the unclassified assessment Clapper sent to Senate Armed Services Committee chair Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

“Based on the extent of land reclamation and construction activity, we assess that China has established the necessary infrastructure to project military capabilities in the South China Sea beyond that which is required for point defense of its outposts,” read the letter.
“These capabilities could include the deployment of modern fighter aircraft, surface-to-air missiles (SAMS), and coastal defense cruise missiles, as well as increased presence of People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) surface combatants and China Coast Guard (CCG) large patrol ships.”

The assessment also said that China had extended reclamation efforts past Wang’s Aug. 5 declaration that the work had ended.

On installations on Subi and Mischief reefs in the Spratlys,“between that date and late October, when reclamation activity ended, China reclaimed more than 100 additional acres of land,” read the letter.

While Clapper said the work appears to have stopped between China’s artificial holdings on Fiery Cross, Subi and Mischief, he said there could be up to an additional 1000 acres reclaimed based on the availability of the outlying reefs.

But with the land already reclaimed, the assessment said “based on the pace and scope of construction at these outposts, China will be able to deploy a range of offensive and defensive military capabilities and support increased [People’s Liberation Army Navy] and [China Coast Guard] presence beginning in 2016.

The increased logistics support for PLAN and CCG ships are of particular concern to neighboring countries near the Spratlys – the Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia. With less time to travel for resupply, Chinese maritime assets could more easily enforce disputed maritime claims for natural resources like fishing and mineral rights.

In 2014, China sent ships to protect an offshore oil platform it sent within the economic exclusion zone (EEZ) in Vietnam. The ships prevented Vietnamese authorities from getting close to the platform and gave China defacto control of the area near its long held installations in the Paracel Island chain and bases on Hainan Island.

The concern is the installations in the Spratlys will allow Chinese forces to project similar forces for longer from the Chinese mainland.

Fiery Cross Reef in September 2015. CSIS Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative/DigitalGlobe Photo

Additionally, Clapper said while there have been no sustained deployments of high-end weapon systems on the Spratly holdings, “China has constructed facilities to support the deployment of high-end military capabilities, including modern fighter aircraft,” he wrote.
“Once these facilities [in the Spratlys] are completed by the end of 2016 or early 2017, China will have significant capacity to quickly project substantial offensive military power to the region,” he wrote.

Clapper’s assessment to McCain joins comments from Secretary of State John Kerry and U.S. Pacific Commander Adm. Harry Harris that expressed concern on China’s build up in the region.

But apart from official U.S. declaration, the increasing ease in which commercial satellite imagery has been used over the last several months by press outlets to check China on their claims has eroded Beijing’s rhetoric on its intents for its holdings in the Spratlys.

“Mr. Clapper is telling us what common sense and a lot of press has already been telling us,” Dean Cheng, an analyst specializing China at the Heritage Foundation, told USNI News on Tuesday.
“The biggest questions is: So what?”

Cheng said China has been receiving mixed messages from Washington on its South China Sea posture – a mix of concerns from officials like Kerry and Harris – but then were still invited to the U.S. Navy 2016 Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) exercise this summer.

“It’s one thing to know and it’s another thing do something about it,” he said.

 

[xunzi]

Did you even read this?

5. The Parties undertake to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features and to handle their differences in a constructive manner.

That is the reason why we never build any fake islands after 2002, yet...

apparently your island building already violated this since your government said those artificial islands built on top of reefs are for civilian and military purposes; I put emphasis on the word "civilian" because it means people will inhabit those fake islands.

Ask the Vietnamese how many islands they reclaimed before us.

 

[Zero_wing]

Ask the Vietnamese how many islands they reclaimed before us.

Invalid why because Viet claim mostly facing their country while you guys claim everything and they never made reefs into islands unlike you guys in fact among all the legally sounding claimants you're country is far ridiculous because your claims has no historical or jurisprudence.

 

[dy1022]

Invalid why because Viet claim mostly facing their country while you guys claim everything and they never made reefs into islands unlike you guys in fact among all the legally sounding claimants you're country is far ridiculous because your claims has no historical or jurisprudence.

Cry me a river if you like !!!

 

[Solomon2]

China's border was inherited from ROC it replaced in 1949, and it has nothing to do with what "the Party says". You can just google the map of ROC to verify. So far, China has not claimed an inch of territory that was not on the map of ROC.

And did your research continue to the point that you realized that the claims on this map, too, were disputed?

 

[Dungeness]

And did your research continue to the point that you realized that the claims on this map, too, were disputed?

The map was disputed or not is entirely different matter. My last post was simply pointing out your mistake when you claimed that "China's borders are whatever the Party says they are". So you admit your statement was wrong?

 

[xunzi]

Invalid why because Viet claim mostly facing their country while you guys claim everything and they never made reefs into islands unlike you guys in fact among all the legally sounding claimants you're country is far ridiculous because your claims has no historical or jurisprudence.

I don't understand your nonsense. Get someone with a brain to represent you and talk to me.