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No Aryan migration into India / Pakistan? Its' all a myth?

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Thats news to us,i know there is heavy concentration R1a1a at some parts in the subcontinent,but i don't recall coming across any document suggesting the origin of R1a1a as SA.

As an Asian, i support the Aryan originating in India theory to counter against the White Supremacist, but i also support Gautama Buddha was East Asian by origin because India never officially supported Buddhism.
 
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Well it's a shame that the citizens of the Republic of India don't follow suit and this forum is a clear example of that.

This forum is an example that people from various ethnicity and nationality can get along very easily provided the platform, please don't negate the hardwork done by management by your narrow vision.
 
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All that this forum illustrates is that Indians love to have fun with the Pakistanis' frustration.

Well considering you've replied to my comment without me having talked to you obviously it's you whose the one who is frustrated and i just stated my opinion that should Indians want to talk about India then i'm sure they are welcome to do it at an Indian forum instead of coming to a Pakistani one to highlight your insecurities!
 
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As an Asian, i support the Aryan originating in India theory to counter against the White Supremacist, but i also support Gautama Buddha is East Asian by origin because India never officially supported Buddhism.

Buddhhism was state religion of Mouryas and Palas. Atish Dipankar Srigyan who established the Sarma linage in Tibet hailed from now what is Bangladesh and was a Budhhist teacher of Pala empire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atisha
 
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As an Asian, i support the Aryan originating in India theory to counter against the White Supremacist, but i also support Gautama Buddha is East Asian by origin because India never officially supported Buddhism.

You support....as in a political party ?

Dude, he was born in Lumbini int a Kshatriya family.That is a fact and that is not changing irrespective of your support.
 
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Well considering you've replied to my comment without me having talked to you obviously it's you whose the one who is frustrated and i just stated my opinion that should Indians want to talk about India then i'm sure they are welcome to do it at an Indian forum instead of coming to a Pakistani one to highlight your insecurities!

Dude you are turning everything on its head.

If we had any insecurity, we would not even have come to this forum in the first place.

But I can see the insecurity you mentioned among Pakistanis who rarely go out of their own safe zone - Pakistani forums.
 
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I'm glad to know your aren't one of those people so please do us Pakistanis a favour and tell the vast majority of your population to stop linking Pakistan with a country we have no similarities with.

You have no reason to worry. Indians don't think we are the same people. Not anymore anyways.

The same people? Surely not

Few things annoy me as much as the claim often advanced by well-meaning but woolly- headed (and usually Punjabi) liberals to the effect that when it comes to India and Pakistan, "We’re all the same people, yaar." This may have been true once upon a time. Before 1947, Pakistan was part of undivided India and you could claim that Punjabis from West Punjab (what is now Pakistan) were as Indian as, say, Tamils from Madras.

But time has a way of moving on. And while the gap between our Punjabis (from east Punjab which is now the only Punjab left in India) and our Tamils may actually have narrowed, thanks to improved communications, shared popular culture and greater physical mobility, the gap between Indians and Pakistanis has now widened to the extent that we are no longer the same people in any significant sense.

This was brought home to me most clearly by two major events over the last few weeks.

The first of these was the attack on the Sri Lankan cricket team on the streets of Lahore. In their defence, Pakistanis said that they were powerless to act against the terrorists because religious fanaticism was growing. Each day more misguided youngsters joined jihadi outfits and the law and order situation worsened.

Further, they added, things had got so bad that in the tribal areas the government of Pakistan had agreed to suspend the rule of law under pressure from the Taliban and had conceded that sharia law would reign instead. Interestingly, while most civilised liberals should have been appalled by this surrender to the forces of extremism, many Pakistanis defended this concession.

Imran Khan (Keble College, Oxford, 1973-76) even declared that sharia law would be better because justice would be dispensed more swiftly! (I know this is politically incorrect but the Loin of the Punjab’s defence of sharia law reminded me of the famous Private Eye cover when his marriage to Jemima Goldsmith was announced. The Eye carried a picture of Khan speaking to Jemima’s father. “Can I have your daughter’s hand?” Imran was supposedly asking James Goldsmith. “Why? Has she been caught shoplifting?” Goldsmith replied. So much for sharia law.)

The second contrasting event was one that took place in Los Angeles but which was perhaps celebrated more in India than in any other country in the world. Three Indians won Oscars: A.R. Rahman, Resul Pookutty and Gulzar.

Their victory set off a frenzy of rejoicing. We were proud of our countrymen. We were pleased that India’s entertainment industry and its veterans had been recognised at an international platform. And all three men became even bigger heroes than they already were.

But here’s the thing: Not one of them is a Hindu.

Can you imagine such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you even conceive of a situation where the whole country would celebrate the victory of three members of two religious minorities? For that matter, can you even imagine a situation where people from religious minorities would have got to the top of their fields and were, therefore, in the running for international awards?

On the one hand, you have Pakistan imposing sharia law, doing deals with the Taliban, teaching hatred in madrasas, declaring jihad on the world and trying to kill innocent Sri Lankan cricketers. On the other, you have the triumph of Indian secularism.

The same people?

Surely not.


We are defined by our nationality. They choose to define themselves by their religion.

But it gets even more complicated. As you probably know, Rahman was born Dilip Kumar. He converted to Islam when he was 21. His religious preferences made no difference to his prospects. Even now, his music cuts across all religious boundaries. He’s as much at home with Sufi music as he is with bhajans. Nor does he have any problem with saying ‘Vande Mataram’.

Now, think of a similar situation in Pakistan. Can you conceive of a Pakistani composer who converted to Hinduism at the age of 21 and still went on to become a national hero? Under sharia law, they’d probably have to execute him.

Resul Pookutty’s is an even more interesting case. Until you realise that Malayalis tend to put an ‘e’ where the rest of us would put an ‘a,’ (Ravi becomes Revi and sometimes the Gulf becomes the Gelf), you cannot work out that his name derives from Rasool, a fairly obviously Islamic name.

But here’s the point: even when you point out to people that Pookutty is in fact a Muslim, they don’t really care. It makes no difference to them. He’s an authentic Indian hero, his religion is irrelevant.

Can you imagine Pakistan being indifferent to a man’s religion? Can you believe that Pakistanis would not know that one of their Oscar winners came from a religious minority? And would any Pakistani have dared bridge the religious divide in the manner Resul did by referring to the primeval power of Om in his acceptance speech?

The same people?

Surely not.

Most interesting of all is the case of Gulzar who many Indians believe is a Muslim. He is not. He is a Sikh. And his real name is Sampooran Singh Kalra.

So why does he have a Muslim name?

It’s a good story and he told it on my TV show some years ago. He was born in West Pakistan and came over the border during the bloody days of Partition. He had seen so much hatred and religious violence on both sides, he said, that he was determined never to lose himself to that kind of blind religious prejudice and fanaticism.

Rather than blame Muslims for the violence inflicted on his community — after all, Hindus and Sikhs behaved with equal ferocity — he adopted a Muslim pen name to remind himself that his identity was beyond religion. He still writes in Urdu and considers it irrelevant whether a person is a Sikh, a Muslim or a Hindu.

Let’s forget about political correctness and come clean: can you see such a thing happening in Pakistan? Can you actually conceive of a famous Pakistani Muslim who adopts a Hindu or Sikh name out of choice to demonstrate the irrelevance of religion?

My point, exactly.

What all those misguided liberals who keep blathering on about us being the same people forget is that in the 60-odd years since Independence, our two nations have traversed very different paths.

Pakistan was founded on the basis of Islam. It still defines itself in terms of Islam. And over the next decade as it destroys itself, it will be because of Islamic extremism.

India was founded on the basis that religion had no role in determining citizenship or nationhood. An Indian can belong to any religion in the world and face no discrimination in his rights as a citizen.

It is nobody’s case that India is a perfect society or that Muslims face no discrimination. But only a fool would deny that in the last six decades, we have travelled a long way towards religious equality. In the early days of independent India, a Yusuf Khan had to call himself Dilip Kumar for fear of attracting religious prejudice.

In today’s India, a Dilip Kumar can change his name to A.R. Rahman and nobody really gives a damn either way.

So think back to the events of the last few weeks. To the murderous attack on innocent Sri Lankan cricketers by jihadi fanatics in a society that is being buried by Islamic extremism. And to the triumphs of Indian secularism.

Same people?

Don’t make me laugh
 
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You support....as in a political party ?

Dude, he was born in Lumbini int a Kshatriya family.That is a fact and that is not changing irrespective of your support.

You know that today's Nepalese look Chindians. :oops:

Before i thought Buddha may look like a Northern Indian man like this guy.

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Now i just change my mind since he has possibly more of Mongoloid background, only his religion was Hindu.
 
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Dude you are turning everything on its head.

If we had any insecurity, we would not even have come to this forum in the first place.

But I can see the insecurity you mentioned among Pakistanis who rarely go out of their own safe zone - Pakistani forums.

lolzz the same safe zone is giving you Indians more space to come up with your inferiority complex over this Aryan Dravidian thingy time and again.
 
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As an Asian, i support the Aryan originating in India theory to counter against the White Supremacist, but i also support Gautama Buddha was East Asian by origin because India never officially supported Buddhism.

Budhism was driven out of areas currently under India by Hindus.
 
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As an Asian, i support the Aryan originating in India theory to counter against the White Supremacist,

I appreciate that ,but i'd rather prefer the truth.

but i also support Gautama Buddha was East Asian by origin because India never officially supported Buddhism.

You mean Buddhism was never recognized religion or Buddhism was never state religion in India?
 
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