New US export controls block China from achieving its semiconductor ambitions

[F-22Raptor]

It is too late to stop China.

Politically, Economically and Militarily China has already sarpassed the US.

Technologically China will surpass the US in the next 5 years.

China is nowhere near surpassing the US.

As Peking researchers stated earlier this year, relative to the US, “China is behind in most fields, equal in few, and ahead in very few.”

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

agreed

there is no honor in war.

the graves are filled with slain nobles of honor.
ends justify the means. halting Chinese advances in civil and military fields is necessary to keep the top super power status for America.

Treat others the way you wish to be treated. If Americans mistreat Chinese, then Chinese will mistreat Americans.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

China is nowhere near surpassing the US.

As Peking researchers stated earlier this year, relative to the US, “China is behind in most fields, equal in few, and ahead in very few.”

China is well ahead of America in population. China has 4 times the population of America. Life is very stressful in America compared to China due to capitalism. So women cannot afford children in America.

 

[doorstar]

The newer generation of Yankees are boastful arrogant, meanwhile extremely feckless in real action.

Being 10 times more incompetent than their forefather, and in the mean time they are 100 times more bragging.

how much do you want to wager that them bragging "yanks" on PDF are not ex-Chinese, Indians and viets?

real Americans (other than hillbilly turds like dotard trump) don't need to brag since everyone and their dog knows who is the hegemon on this here planet is at present and well into the future.

 

[gambit]

Are u sure it's a 7nm chips?

Now China SMIC and Intel Are Both at 7 Nanometer Chips | NextBigFuture.com

China leading chip company SMIC and Intel are both making 7-nanometer chips. China was always behind TSMC, Samsung and the leading semiconductor chip

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And finally, not all Intel chips are fab by Intel plant. Intel already outsource some of the fabrication to TSMC.

As usual, you guys do not know what you are talking about.

A foundry would not get a contract if they are unable to manufacture at the node the client want. On the other hand, because it is a foundry, whatever node it is capable of working, it is useless unless there is a client that has a product at that node. Any semicon company would have at least one R/D fab where the product's manufacturing processes are created and refined, then they would shop around for a foundry that is capable of replicating those processes. It is not easy for a foundry to get a contract. Getting to the a contract could take up to two yrs because whatever came out of the foundry still must pass engineering review by the potential client and by the clients of the client.

For example, if Apple want to use Intel CPU that came from X foundry, Intel would perform engineering tests on its CPUs from X foundry, if passed, Apple would want to sample Intel CPUs that came from X foundry, not the same CPUs that Intel used. If passed, Intel and X would sign a contract that says a certain number of Intel CPUs from X foundry would ship to Apple. Throughout the time, Intel and Apple execs would closely monitor the manufacturing line that is potentially for a contract. Both companies would literally have their engineers on X foundry site. If X foundry changed equipment from its suppliers, depending on the severity of the change, the entire review process may start all over again. The longer and closer the relationship between Intel and X, the more trust which would result in a shorter review process which would create greater trust between Intel and Apple. If Intel have a new CPU design, then everything starts anew. Usually, the clients of the client expects the manufacturing line(s) to be 'locked down' because that the final process they trust because they are the final stop to the consumers.

So essentially, once a contract is signed, that foundry became a fab for that client.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

how much do you want to wager that them bragging "yanks" on PDF are not ex-Chinese, Indians and viets?

real Americans (other than hillbilly turds like dotard trump) don't need to brag since everyone and their dog knows who is the hegemon on this here planet is at present and well into the future.

Most white Americans are Trump supporters.

If they are not the real Americans, then who are the real Americans?

 

[Han Patriot]

When such articles come out, I know China is in the right direction. You can tell US is getting desperate. Lolol

 

[mudas777]

New US export controls on technologies for the production of advanced chips and gas turbine engines, which took effect on Monday, have set up an imposing roadblock that prevents China from achieving its semiconductor ambitions, according to analysts.


The Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS), an agency under the US Department of Commerce, last Friday announced the export controls on grounds of national security. The four restricted technologies are among the items covered by the multilateral 1996 Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-Use Goods and Technologies, in which China is not a member.


Three of the four restricted technologies include electronic computer-aided design software, which is used for developing next-generation chips with gate-all-around (GAA) field-effect transistor structure, and two substrates of so-called ultra-wide bandgap semiconductors – gallium oxide and diamond – that operate at much higher voltages, frequencies and temperatures than conventional chip materials like silicon.


While China is not singled out in the latest US export controls, analysts said the restrictions clearly target the world’s second-largest economy.

“The US is targeting the future,” said Shang Manjun, an analyst with Shanghai-based semiconductor consulting firm ICwise. She described the export restriction on software used for designing advanced chips as “a trump card” that Washington has not used before.


The US tech export controls mark an escalation of Washington’s efforts to boost America’s hi-tech advantage over China, just days after US President Joe Biden signed into law the Chips and Science Actthat earmarks nearly US$53 billion in semiconductor manufacturing incentives.

The export ban on gallium oxide and diamond, for example, is a means to prevent use of these materials in chips for military applications, according to the BIS.

The new export restrictions rang alarm bells among Chinese semiconductor market insiders because the domestic chip industry relies on advanced US electronic design automation (EDA) software, such as those supplied to China by Cadence Design Systems, Synopsys and Mentor Graphics. Chinese software providers, like Empyrean Technology, are still trying to catch up on what those US firms provide.

Despite the long shadow cast by the latest US export controls, ICwise analyst Shang said it remains unlikely that US suppliers would immediately cease providing EDA software to Chinese chip design firms.


Semiconductor development in China has not advanced to a level that demands design software for chips with complex GAA transistor structure. Still, such software would be needed once China reaches 3-nanometre process in semiconductor manufacturing, according to a Chinese EDA software company executive, who declined to be identified because he is not allowed to speak to media.

The executive indicated that companies like Empyrean are at least one or two generations behind the major US suppliers.


Samsung Electronics, meanwhile, said in June that it had started initial production of its 3nm process node using GAA transistor architecture. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co, the world’s largest contract chip maker, also has GAA on its technology road map for processes below 5nm. US chip giant Intel is likely to start GAA production between 2024 and 2025.

New US tech export controls block China from achieving semiconductor ambitions

The US tech export restrictions mark an escalation of Washington’s efforts to boost America’s hi-tech advantage over China.

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We heard all this crap before, Chinese progress can be slowed down a bit but can't be stopped. US is trying this game of cat and mouse since Tiananmen Square incident but got no where so nothing is new.

 

[PakFactor]

We heard all this crap before, Chinese progress can be slowed down a bit but can't be stopped. US is trying this game of cat and mouse since Tiananmen Square incident but got no where so nothing is new.

In my 30+ years of living in the states, I long ago came to the conclusion of American stupidity on the rise every passing year.

 

[qwerrty]

When such articles come out, I know China is in the right direction. You can tell US is getting desperate. Lolol

we've been hearing about the collapse of china semiconductor since trump was in power and nothing really happened. chinese companies that supposed to go bankrupt because of sanctions are making more money and releasing new products. smic just announced to build another 12-inch fab on top of other fabs that under construction. doesn't seems slow 'em at all.

 

[Han Patriot]

we've been hearing about the collapse of china semiconductor since trump was in power and nothing really happened. chinese companies that supposed to go bankrupt because of sanctions are making money and releasing new products. smic just announced to build another 12-inch fab on top of other fabs that under construction. doesn't seems slow 'em at all.

People just don't get it, China is not Japan. Taiwan or Korea. We have our own market which is actually bigger than US in some sense. Huawei won't die, they just continue servicing the China Market.

 

[doorstar]

Most white Americans are Trump supporters.

If they are not the real Americans, then who are the real Americans?

you sound like one of them genius trump MAGA maggots, now I am betting that you, like member beast, fantasizes that it is China who is world empire and exploiter/manipulator/abuser and not NATO with amreeka at its head

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Chinese chips

Zhaoxin - Wikipedia

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[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

In the mean time, they want to keep their racial dominance over the new immigrants by using people like Trump to maintain their racial hierarchy and constitution.

And with Chinese R&D personnel heading back to China in droves, I don't see how the US can keep tech dominance over the next decade.

 

[tphuang]

China is nowhere near surpassing the US.

As Peking researchers stated earlier this year, relative to the US, “China is behind in most fields, equal in few, and ahead in very few.”

Hmm, in a lot of relevant field, china is already more advanced. Basically all the clean energy related ones. Bio tech, ai and quantum computing, things are harder to tell.

Semiconductor is the next major one. The problem is that America is run by wall Street, lobbyists and some really corrupted politicians. So, policies are very reactionary and not logical. For example, they are now trying to trip up china by not allowing American firms from selling to the world's largest chip market(Chinese market). When there are already domestic suppliers for every equipment needed for chip making process. They are going to have a fully domestic 7 nm process by next year. So, all this will do is giving Chinese suppliers the entire market that can be used to expand production and increase r&d. Due to wall Street pressure, losing 25% of revenue for lam research and applied materials will result in huge cuts. So, these recent American policies are just disastrous. They are going to destroy America's chip equipment suppliers and send their Chinese counterparts on massive growth curves. There is a reason you have never seen china do similar sanctions on Intel for stuff like neon gas or silicon production. Why build up competitors when you can achieve 90% market share in a critical part of supply chain?

In 5 more years, you will have a Chinese only supply chain and an international one. Unfortunately for America, the international one will consist of many Chinese firms.