read again. lol. i said banning china from getting ultra-wide bandgap semiconductors like gallium oxide and gan is retarded like banning china from acquiring rare-earth materials, because china is the dominant player in this area.
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New US export controls block China from achieving its semiconductor ambitions
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read again. lol. i said banning china from getting ultra-wide bandgap semiconductors like gallium oxide and gan is retarded like banning china from acquiring rare-earth materials, because china is the dominant player in this area.
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all is fair in war.New US export controls on technologies for the production of advanced chips and gas turbine engines, which took effect on Monday, have set up an imposing roadblock that prevents China from achieving its semiconductor ambitions, according to analysts.
The Bureau of Industry and Security (BIS), an agency under the US Department of Commerce, last Friday announced the export controls on grounds of national security. The four restricted technologies are among the items covered by the multilateral 1996 Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-Use Goods and Technologies, in which China is not a member.
Three of the four restricted technologies include electronic computer-aided design software, which is used for developing next-generation chips with gate-all-around (GAA) field-effect transistor structure, and two substrates of so-called ultra-wide bandgap semiconductors – gallium oxide and diamond – that operate at much higher voltages, frequencies and temperatures than conventional chip materials like silicon.
While China is not singled out in the latest US export controls, analysts said the restrictions clearly target the world’s second-largest economy.
“The US is targeting the future,” said Shang Manjun, an analyst with Shanghai-based semiconductor consulting firm ICwise. She described the export restriction on software used for designing advanced chips as “a trump card” that Washington has not used before.
The US tech export controls mark an escalation of Washington’s efforts to boost America’s hi-tech advantage over China, just days after US President Joe Biden signed into law the Chips and Science Actthat earmarks nearly US$53 billion in semiconductor manufacturing incentives.
The export ban on gallium oxide and diamond, for example, is a means to prevent use of these materials in chips for military applications, according to the BIS.
The new export restrictions rang alarm bells among Chinese semiconductor market insiders because the domestic chip industry relies on advanced US electronic design automation (EDA) software, such as those supplied to China by Cadence Design Systems, Synopsys and Mentor Graphics. Chinese software providers, like Empyrean Technology, are still trying to catch up on what those US firms provide.
Despite the long shadow cast by the latest US export controls, ICwise analyst Shang said it remains unlikely that US suppliers would immediately cease providing EDA software to Chinese chip design firms.
Semiconductor development in China has not advanced to a level that demands design software for chips with complex GAA transistor structure. Still, such software would be needed once China reaches 3-nanometre process in semiconductor manufacturing, according to a Chinese EDA software company executive, who declined to be identified because he is not allowed to speak to media.
The executive indicated that companies like Empyrean are at least one or two generations behind the major US suppliers.
Samsung Electronics, meanwhile, said in June that it had started initial production of its 3nm process node using GAA transistor architecture. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co, the world’s largest contract chip maker, also has GAA on its technology road map for processes below 5nm. US chip giant Intel is likely to start GAA production between 2024 and 2025.
New US tech export controls block China from achieving semiconductor ambitions
The US tech export restrictions mark an escalation of Washington’s efforts to boost America’s hi-tech advantage over China.amp.scmp.com
Americans are using their influence to restrict the trade of these hi tech components and related raw material to China instead of direct aggression and open hostilities.
and it has had its desired effects, despite whatever Chinese state media and its bot army claims, these restrictions are hurting it badly.
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This is not honor. This is not bushido.
Lol.. like sanction China which result China producing 7nm chips which Intel and US with all the access of EUV cant even produce it in US homeland.
This is just a masturbation article to give feel good for this anti China gang. Remember US ban China from ISS. Guess what, we still can go ISS but we no need it. Cos we have our Tiangong space station.
Soon there will be a feel good article by some clown claiming China still want go ISS but Tiangong space station is junk.
it's the never ending collapse of china semiconductor version
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he's talking about fab, not design of intel chip. intel globalfoundries doesn't have 7nm fab. they depend on tsmc. their most advanced fab is 10nm.
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Things is, Intel DID have 7nm Fab foundry
Intel will finally finish Fab 42 in Arizona, bring new 7nm capacity online
Intel has announced it will finish Fab 42 and bring the facility online at the 7nm node. It expects to have the plant operational by 2020 - 2021.
Fab 42 went online in 2021.....
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Nowadays, Yankees will = Indians will.
Show me some real commercialized 7nm of Intel instead of Indianized American propaganda.
You have making jingoistic propaganda for many years, yet we don't see any real commercialized 7nm from Intel, and recently they just fired their chief engineer for failling the 7nm fab project who is also an Indian.
China is making fewer propaganda, but deliver a lot of real work.
Show me some real commercialized 7nm of Intel instead of Indianized American propaganda.
You have making jingoistic propaganda for many years, yet we don't see any real commercialized 7nm from Intel, and recently they just fired their chief engineer for failling the 7nm fab project who is also an Indian.
China is making fewer propaganda, but deliver a lot of real work.
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Another broken rule was that if you could make one logic design in a process, you were guaranteed to be able to make anything else on it, almost by default. Like doing a jigsaw. N7 is more like painting in oils. What China has looks very much like a one-off proof of concept that they can produce one particular chip in 7nm, not any chip in 7nm. It's also an ASIC crypto-miner, highly parallel, low complexity. A starter chip. We're not talking an Apple M2 SoC.
Furthermore, that chip has been in production for a year. If you have a commercial 7nm line in full swing for a year during a huge global chip shortage, you go to market as soon as humanly possible. Perhaps SMIC is fully committed to its internal market of OEMs, government and military demands, but the Chinese state loves to flaunt any ability to confound expectations and side-step embargos. Silence can be very suggestive.
The key to competitive chipmaking is scale. Once you have a commercial opening, you scale up as quickly as you can to take market in what can be a very short window. China's half-inched TSMC process cannot scale because, most likely, it doesn't have all the specialist expertise and tools that turn the process into products. It also doesn't have a window of opportunity. It doesn't even have a staging post from which it can continue to erode the US and Taiwan's multi-year lead.
China's 7nm chip surprise reveals more than Beijing might like
Should we be worried? Well, size isn't everything
www.theregister.com
Chinas 7nm is only proof of concept and not scalable.
LOL... And you trust this article which is just another make you feel good bragging? How did SMIC manage to sell chips to for mining? That is not concept but commercialize. Far better than Intel which still not selling any self fab 7nm chips yet.Another broken rule was that if you could make one logic design in a process, you were guaranteed to be able to make anything else on it, almost by default. Like doing a jigsaw. N7 is more like painting in oils. What China has looks very much like a one-off proof of concept that they can produce one particular chip in 7nm, not any chip in 7nm. It's also an ASIC crypto-miner, highly parallel, low complexity. A starter chip. We're not talking an Apple M2 SoC.
Furthermore, that chip has been in production for a year. If you have a commercial 7nm line in full swing for a year during a huge global chip shortage, you go to market as soon as humanly possible. Perhaps SMIC is fully committed to its internal market of OEMs, government and military demands, but the Chinese state loves to flaunt any ability to confound expectations and side-step embargos. Silence can be very suggestive.
The key to competitive chipmaking is scale. Once you have a commercial opening, you scale up as quickly as you can to take market in what can be a very short window. China's half-inched TSMC process cannot scale because, most likely, it doesn't have all the specialist expertise and tools that turn the process into products. It also doesn't have a window of opportunity. It doesn't even have a staging post from which it can continue to erode the US and Taiwan's multi-year lead.
China's 7nm chip surprise reveals more than Beijing might like
Should we be worried? Well, size isn't everythingwww.theregister.com
Chinas 7nm is only proof of concept and not scalable.
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So all the world power led by USA ban all cooperation with China and then blame it for being "close minded and inbreeding" ?.? Are you for real ?
A vietanme should be the last one supporting USA. But then world is not a fair place.
There always be traitors and lapdogs sell out their own kind and bootlick the Americans. Vietnam is not exceptional too.
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agreed
there is no honor in war.
the graves are filled with slain nobles of honor.
ends justify the means. halting Chinese advances in civil and military fields is necessary to keep the top super power status for America.
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The newer generation of Yankees are boastful arrogant, meanwhile extremely feckless in real action.
Being 10 times more incompetent than their forefather, and in the mean time they are 100 times more bragging.
And I wonder how many Indian engineers they need to offer more H1B visa, since Trump wanted to end this and to hire more White Europeans instead, but later he also had to live to live with the reality, but to offer more H1B visa to Indians.
The more incompetent they have become, the more harbored hatred toward China and the Chinese people (even other Asians) in general.
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It is too late to stop China.
Politically, Economically and Militarily China has already sarpassed the US.
Technologically China will surpass the US in the next 5 years.
Politically, Economically and Militarily China has already sarpassed the US.
Technologically China will surpass the US in the next 5 years.
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The core issue for the US is that the new generation of WASP is simply too incompetent to handle their own country.
They keep relying on foreign talents to serve as their technological nannies.
In the mean time, they want to keep their racial dominance over the new immigrants by using people like Trump to maintain their racial hierarchy and constitution.
Sooner or later, the racial conflict will turn into a civil war.
The older generation of WASP was equally racist, but they could handle everything by themselves.
However, the newer generation of WASP has lost the ability to feed themselves.
