New Muslim Block Predicted By Dr Israr Ahmed 25 Years Ago - Koi Arab Mulk Is Mein Nahi Ho

[Lincoln]

Such blocs are not possible, I agree. But rather than the few agreements here and there, I think it's because of our own conflicting interests in the region.

 

[HalfMoon]

Being the only Islamic nation with nukes, Pakistan needs to take the lead in creating the true Islamic block to replace OIC.

SMQ's statement and PMIK's outreach to Bangladesh should be seen in this light.

Turkey, Iran, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Indonesia will all follow Pakistan's lead.

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

What is this why my thread has been merged? And what does that mean? And regarding ilm ul gaib no one besides ALLAH have Ilm ul gaib, ALLAH clearly mentioned it in His Glorious Quran, in various places i am just mentioning few references here,
Surah Luqman A: 34
Surah Ana'am A: 50
and Ummul Momineen Sayeda Ayesha Cleared this that even Prophet peace be upon him did not have Ilm ul gaib and if a person claims this then he is a liar.
Sahi Bukhari Kitabut Tafseer H:4855
So saying Dr shb had it is a blunt lie.

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

First tell me are u talking about a new muslim block or an anti india block? In your post u evaluate every country in its relationship with India.

If u r talking about muslim block then u need to understand why there is a need of a muslim block only then we can evaluate if such a block possible or not.

Muslim block could be formed for various purposes including but not limited to economic cooperation, common development, knowledge sharing and offcourse defence cooperation.

It was never intend to be an anti india block however these countries were always vocal about conditions of muslims be it kashmir, palestine or middle east.

I named it a new muslim bloc but as this what it has been named in the media, and as it is a Pakistan centric analysis, India is mentioned as a prime target, while i already cleared it in the article that is more of a new Chinese bloc, but as i explained that even a Chinese bloc made if these countries is not possible

 

[The Accountant]

I named it a new muslim bloc but as this what it has been named in the media, and as it is a Pakistan centric analysis, India is mentioned as a prime target, while i already cleared it in the article that is more of a new Chinese bloc, but as i explained that even a Chinese bloc made if these countries is not possible

OP called it a chinese block, analyzed it Pak India centric and named it islamic block. OP has fundamental errors. If its a chinese bkock then why including islamic countries only ? It could include russia brazil south africa and many other countries.

If its a islamic block then it cant be india focused at all as Islamic has bigger threat from terrorist organizations nato internal rifts and india is at much lower hierarchy.

 

[L0ne Warri0r]

OP called it a chinese block, analyzed it Pak India centric and named it islamic block. OP has fundamental errors. If its a chinese bkock then why including islamic countries only ? It could include russia brazil south africa and many other countries.

If its a islamic block then it cant be india focused at all as Islamic has bigger threat from terrorist organizations nato internal rifts and india is at much lower hierarchy.

A muslim bloc made to cooperate with Chinese, and as for India i already said it was written on Pakistani perspective where India is the biggest problem.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Modernization means to become more civilized than before. In that case westernisation can be called modern because they are close to being civilized.

In South Asian and Arab nations corruption is rampant and religious and racial extremism is out of control. In a western society humans are treated like humans and are not discriminated.

Women oppression is also common in South Asian and Arab nations. Before British rule, women were denied education in Arab countries and Indian subcontinent. The British reformed it.

Western society has bad aspects but their culture is more civilized and humane.

Civilization is not just about personal conduct.. west might be humane for it's own people.. globally this is not the case.

 

[Buddhistforlife]

Civilization is not just about personal conduct.. west might be humane for it's own people.. globally this is not the case.

Globally no one is humane. Do you think Arab kingdoms like Ummayuds, Turkish Kingdom like Ottomans and the Mughals, the Mongol Empire, Roman empire were humane when it comes to global affairs? Politics does not consider humanity.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Globally no one is humane. Do you think Arab kingdoms like Ummayuds, Turkish Kingdom like Ottomans and the Mughals, the Mongol Empire, Roman empire were humane when it comes to global affairs? Politics does not consider humanity.

Dont divert.. you came over with a claim that the west is more humane than the rest of the world. You couldn't prove it now you are telling us rest weren't either humane.. and it's a political thing. Atleast China doesnt wage war the USA or soviet style.. you cant equate them.

 

[Nike]

Being the only Islamic nation with nukes, Pakistan needs to take the lead in creating the true Islamic block to replace OIC.

SMQ's statement and PMIK's outreach to Bangladesh should be seen in this light.

Turkey, Iran, Malaysia, Bangladesh, Indonesia will all follow Pakistan's lead.

What does Pakistan advantage to lead the rest?

Military? are Pakistan strong enough to handle the military affair in such fashion and need continue presence of Naval forces, i bet Indonesia and Turkey had better Naval forces

Economy? Let's forget it

Science technology and engineering? How many ISPO Patent Pakistani entity able to submit every years? And regarding Pakistan education sector is in such state i Will not dwell much

Forget about Nukes warhead, Indonesia and Turkey had the capability to build them right now if we are even need it, it just we are not entertain such idea anymore.

 

[HalfMoon]

What does Pakistan advantage to lead the rest?

Military? are Pakistan strong enough to handle the military affair in such fashion and need continue presence of Naval forces, i bet Indonesia and Turkey had better Naval forces

Economy? Let's forget it

Science technology and engineering? How many ISPO Patent Pakistani entity able to submit every years? And regarding Pakistan education sector is in such state i Will not dwell much

Forget about Nukes warhead, Indonesia and Turkey had the capability to build them right now if we are even need it, it just we are not entertain such idea anymore.

Yes. Pakistan is a bigger military power than Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, Malaysia & Bangladesh.

Also, China trusts Pakistan than any of the other Islamic nation.

As we speak China & Pakistan are signing a new Military pact.

Hence Pakistan is better positioned than the others to lead.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

If this concept was important part of faith, it was always going to be ironed out by prior Prophets, especially Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) not by some Sufis later on. The mere fact that it was invented by Sufis of later centuries is enough to prove that it is an innovation in Islam and hence we should stay away from it.

Technically also, this is completely opposite to what is repeatedly mentioned in the Quran. Anyways, since this is not an Islamic forum, I'll leave this here. But do give it a bit of reading and research apart from what Dr. Israr says on this topic. Listen to both side of view points and then you'll have clarity. This concept of Wahdat-ul-Wajood or Wahdat-ul-Shuhood is directly against the crux of your faith so please spend sometime to have very clear understanding on it.

Quran delves in the most basic of commands to Muslims, then in its ayat there are layers of meaning which get revealed by both a person's increasing consciousness and also by time.

We cannot neglect the scholars who over time have explained us concepts and elaborated them. It is in line with sahih ahadith in which Prophet Muhammad saws said the latter of my Ummah will understand my words better than the former. Also another sahih ahadith which state that the Persians will reach high level of understanding in religion (who were basically Sufis like Rumi, Hafez, etc.)

To clear a misunderstanding on your part, let me quickly summarize the words I used.

Wahdat ul Wujood means that Allah is in everything, and unique at the same time, it means oneness of creation in a sense. Its biggest patron was esteemed İbn Arabi.

Wahdat ul Shuhood is a reconcilement of those principles above exemplified best by an illusion of oneness of creation, which is in actually just the surface of actual realization.

For example, if we take the heart as a mirror and look into what Allah swt says as "look into yourselves for proof" many times in the Quran. This is an invitation to study yourself, because Allah swt had blown something of Himself (Quran) into our Ruh.

When you scratch the surface of your inner being, you may feel that you are Godly, but this is an illusion, as you dig deeper you realize that only Allah swt is there and you are miniscule in comparison.

This is in essence what Mujaddid Alf Thani Ahmad Sirhindi describes as Wahdat ul Shuhood, which reconciled Sufism with Orthodox Islam in a similar way as his predecessor Imam Al Ghazali.

Forgive my rather crude summary. Any mistake in elucidating the concepts is mine.

Tell me one thing honestly, how is this different than what christians of today call as Trinity (God is one but He is three in one)? And hindu concept of different versions of God (Ram etc)? Islam has drawn a very clear and distinct line when it comes to concepts of Tauheed. Our religion starts with La Ilaha Illallah.

May Allah guide us all to right path.

Islam is distinct. We cannot compare Sufi concepts to other faiths, they are a product of Islam itself. The tariqa was taught directly from Prophet Muhammad SAWS to Hazrat Ali RA.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why you pagan have to poke your nose everywhere? where did i said that we can't have relations with non Muslim states? where i said we can't have trade or even alliance with non Muslims? Why me saying Muslim is brother of another Muslim irk you so much?

They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. Q 61:8

Can apply to any Non-Muslim commenting here who have not watched the videos of Dr. Israr and neither can understand his mindset.

This topic is a solely Muslim one, I don't know why busybodies are here.

I have been reading in many thread in this forum as soon as Arabs characters is being discussed someone always bring the Sect. Belief in the discussion. Like Pakistan is joking with Shia and wahabi stuff.
I don't know why we are so derived by this sect. thinking. Can't we be little mature about some serious stuff. UAE accepted Isreal. Egypt and Jordan have already accepted Isreal while Bahrain and Oman are in talking phase. I don't know about others but I am a Muslim before anything else. What they did felt like betrayal not only to me but to all of us.
Dr israr Ahmed have said many things regarding the Arabs and he have given Haddith as reference to those claims. He was a Alim Deen who had good knowledge of Quran and Haddith he has spoken on so many occasions about the percecution faced by Muslims and the cause behind them. And he was right on many accounts.
Aren't we all divided? Aren't we all fighting for own glory and glamor? Aren't we (Muslims) fighting against each other? Aren't we all considering ourselves more pious then others on the basis of this sectarian basis? Remember about the religion what our Prophet left us. There was no one better then the other on the basis of skin color or caste or region. Everyone is born equal and all have to pay for their sins.
We are all so busy in branding other Non Muslims that we have unfortunately forgotten all about being Muslims.

Yes, I agree. This hate against Wahabbis and Salafis has been taught to us by the West. We must unplug ourselves from these useless labels and see that we are just Muslims in the end.

Thanks for the post.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@jamahir Are you aware of Dr. Israr Ahmad?

I ask you personally because Dr. Israr studied Western philosophy in Germany, in the footsteps of Allama Iqbal, and he was well read in Marx, Engles, Locke, and others.

He here explained why socialism failed in Pakistan

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistan kyu bana tha?

Glad tidings and warning by Dr. Israr.