New Muslim Block Predicted By Dr Israr Ahmed 25 Years Ago - Koi Arab Mulk Is Mein Nahi Ho

[The Accountant]

The flaw in the OP is very basic: the pursuit of national interests knows no religion.

Agreed.

 

[The Accountant]

So why Indonesia and Pakistan support Palestinian and against US policy in Palestinian issue. If we use pursuit of national interest then our foreign policy on this matter is contrary to our national interest then.

The block can actually happen if some extra ordinary happen that make Muslim feel that they need to act. The reason of why many Muslim are so united on Palestinian issue is because whole country are colonized by Israel and they are killed in the amount of thousands that majority victims are women and children.

If some thing extra ordinary happen in Kashmir, I believe there will be anti India campaign made by many Muslim countries. Muslim is also so united in Afghan and Bosnian conflict for example since this case is so extra ordinary.

This is also why there is strange relation happening between Muslim countries and Myanmar after they made Rohingya leave their home country.

Bor you are right. However i am adding few additional points to give u my opinion of the reasoning of forming the islamic block for both national interest and islamic unity.

The position of Pakistan is unique in muslim world as islam is the only uniting force of nation called Pakistan therefore unlike other islamic countries who have racial basis and racial national interests pakistan national interest includes islam as well.

A large population of Pakistan prefers islam over Pakistan therefore our national and foreign policy includes protection of islam eg. palestine issue.

With respect to other countries mentioned in OP Iran is following its own national interest which lies in uniting countries having potential to support them against USA or KSA. (In case of Pakistan Iran want us to remain impartial in KSA Iran conflict)

In case of Malaysia and Turkey along with Pakistan the reason of getting united is the realization that muslims are being prosecuted all over the world be it palestine kashmir bosnia or middle east. These three countries had the only visionary leadership that is able to see the long term consequences of muslim countries destroying each other and the only beneficiary is western powers. They also realize that once middle east is destroyed they will come for other muslim countries. Coz as bush said its crusades for them however only few countries recognize whats coming.

 

[ziaulislam]

A New Muslim Bloc!
My Take on it,

There is an intense discussion going on in media and social media in Pakistan about the need of a new muslim bloc supported by China or a Chinese bloc/anti America bloc (if we include Russia in it), not fairly new but has been renewed and now the hottest topic after the latest tension erupted by SM Qureshi remarks about Saudi Arabia and its role on Kashmir issue, most talk about countries to form or lead a new Muslim bloc are four namely Malaysia, Iran, Qatar and Turkey, so in this brief article i will like to talk about these four countries only and their chances to join a chinese bloc respectively, so let start

1)Malaysia
Malaysia has changed drastically after Sir Mahatir, and not looking the same country, which hosted the KL summit last year, as unfortunately Sir Mahatir a true friend of Pakistan is no longer in the office, and due to a powerful ethnically Indian, Hindu minority, India is far strategically rooted in Malaysian state then Pakistan, which will eventually stop Malaysia from participating in any pro Pakistan/China or anti India bloc, that is why after departure of Sir Mahatir, we did not see any statement on Kashmir from Malaysia, even on the anniversary the black day marking abrogation of article 370 on Kashmir, there was a complete silence from Malaysia,
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/...-transformed-since-mahathirs-departure-318925

2) Iran
Iran is a strategic partner of India and unlike what we are being fed recently that Iran has put India out of Chabahar port, which was fake news generated by some media outlet and has been denied by Iranian officials
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html
(It is an updated article after Iranian official denial),
https://en.irna.ir/news/83864796/Iran-India-discuss-railways-cooperation
While their official news agency reports that India and Iran is discussing the Railway Cooperation,
https://en.irna.ir/news/83856537/186-containers-carrying-Afghan-goods-reach-Chabahar-port
And while we are living in fake world, Iran has already started this port to transit goods between Afghanistan and India,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...nctions-rare-cooperation-200620161933575.html
As nothing stops India from investing in Chabahar because it is exempted from US sanction list.
And then there is a big list of terrorists operating against Pakistan being supported by Iran and hiding in Iran, eg: Kulboshan Yadav and Uzair Baloch, so considering these thing and still putting Iran in a strategic bloc will not going to benefit us but eventually it will hurt our interests.

3) Qatar
Qatar has always been neutral and will remain neutral, as no statement on Kashmir has been seen from it,
Qatar has the largest presence of US military in entire region and serve as the Central Command forward HQ for its forces
https://www.centcom.mil/AREA-OF-RESPONSIBILITY/Qatar/
so its strategic ties with US will stop Qatar from joining any Chinese bloc,

4) Turkey
Last but not the least Turkey, India has just finalized 2.3 billion dollar of worth deal with Turkey, to build naval ships, which eventually will be used against us in the future and Indian navy after announcement of CPEC has become the most important wing of the arm forces to undermine Chinese presence in south China sea and eventually sabotaging CPEC,
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...build-fleet-support-ships/article31893924.ece
so while Turkey is supporting our stance on Kashmir, it is also serving its financial interests by signing a strategic defense deal with India, Turkey is also a part of US lead NATO, responsible for the mess of Terrorism we faced from Afghanistan, which not only targeted our interest by fighting against IEA aka Afghan Taliban but also harbored and made Afghanistan a safe heaven for Terrorists attacking Pakistan, so being a part of NATO will eventually stop Turkey from becoming part of any Chinese bloc, and its current tensions with Russia over Syria makes NATO and US more needed for Turkey then ever before, Turkey is in deep rift with its NATO allies France and Greece also, on Libya and oil exploration in east Mediterranean sea respectively, which is a cause of concern for NATO, as NATO is already under huge pressure to deal with Turkey, so a move to join a Chinese bloc will be the last nail in the coffin for Turkey and not only Turkey will loose EU but will eventually loose US and NATO as well, and China alone cannot provide the support and the assistance these unions and alliances give Turkey strategically, so not only Turkey is in no position of joining any Chinese bloc but it is against Turkish interest as well,
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-turkey/

Hence to sum it up, a muslim bloc comprising of above mentioned countries is not only impossible but eventually will make things tougher for everyone and surely can not serve our interests, so loosing and sacrificing time tested allies for a new and unrealistic bloc will be a diplomatic suicide for Pakistan,
Lastly an advice to my fellow countrymen that please do not buy every rhetoric thrown at you, do some research and then make an opinion.

a muslim bloc will only come if "muslims" want it..
do they..i doubt it..

on kashmir, pakistan doesnt want anyone help, we will look for kashmiris ourself, besides verbal sport really means nothing to be honest on the gound

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

I have already commented on the post and there is not a single geniune barrier mentioned in the post. Rather the post is commenting on potential countries relationship with india.

The OP is itself faulty as its trying to portray a probable muslim bloc as an anti india block.

OIC was not formed against India, absolutely right! But Pakistan being a member of OIC, it supposed to get support from its other members on Kashmir. But it failed miserably. But then your Minister Qureshi spoke something couple of days back, proves that Pakistan became a member of OIC just to get support on Kashmir. Then here on PDF many Pak members started speaking about new Muslim bloc to get support on Kashmir issue. OP is the answer to those members.

 

[Vapnope]

Muslim bloc, No.
Chinese bloc, Yes.

KSA holds the power in muslim world because of two holy Islamic cities anu new muslim bloc would definitely be on considered less holy because the absence of those cities.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So why Indonesia and Pakistan support Palestinian and against US policy in Palestinian issue. If we use pursuit of national interest then our foreign policy on this matter is contrary to our national interest then.

The block can actually happen if some extra ordinary happen that make Muslim feel that they need to act. The reason of why many Muslim are so united on Palestinian issue is because whole country are colonized by Israel and they are killed in the amount of thousands that majority victims are women and children.

If some thing extra ordinary happen in Kashmir, I believe there will be anti India campaign made by many Muslim countries. Muslim is also so united in Afghan and Bosnian conflict for example since this case is so extra ordinary.

This is also why there is strange relation happening between Muslim countries and Myanmar after they made Rohingya leave their home country.

Indonesia and Malaysia are integral parts of such a bloc.

It will most likely be Eurasian /Southwest Asian bloc, plus SEA, and eventually Maghreb nations and European Muslim nations.

Basically Non-Arab world as Dr. Israr had foreseen.

 

[The Accountant]

IOC was not formed against India, absolutely right! But Pakistan being a member of IOC, it supposed to get support from its other members on Kashmir. But it failed miserably. But then your Minister Qureshi spoke something couple of days back, proves that Pakistan became a member of IOC just to get support on Kashmir. Then here on PDF many Pak members started speaking about new Muslim bloc to get support on Kashmir issue. OP is the answer to those members.

First of all its OIC

Why u indian thinks that india is center of world. Yes one of the possible benefit Pakistan can get from its allies can be support on kashmir but what it have to do with other countries? Pakistan did not participate in malaysia meetup but conference did happen so malaysia turkey and iran met in malaysia to discuss kashmir ?

Freedom of kashmir is one of the many agenda items of Pakistan foreign policy objectives.

 

[The Accountant]

Muslim bloc, No.
Chinese bloc, Yes.

KSA holds the power in muslim world because of two holy Islamic cities anu new muslim bloc would definitely be on considered less holy because the absence of those cities.

No its not because of 2 cities. Never in the history except during early few years islamic capital was in mainland arab. Its just tye oil wealth which is already at stake

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

First of all its OIC

Why u indian thinks that india is center of world. Yes one of the possible benefit Pakistan can get from its allies can be support on kashmir but what it have to do with other countries? Pakistan did not participate in malaysia meetup but conference did happen so malaysia turkey and iran met in malaysia to discuss kashmir ?

Freedom of kashmir is one of the many agenda items of Pakistan foreign policy objectives.

First of all, India is not center of the world right now but its on the way to become one.
Secondly, the whole Pakistan's foreign policy and security policy is fully India's centric. You won't accept it but you know it by heart.

 

[The Eagle]

A New Muslim Bloc!
My Take on it,

There is an intense discussion going on in media and social media in Pakistan about the need of a new muslim bloc supported by China or a Chinese bloc/anti America bloc (if we include Russia in it), not fairly new but has been renewed and now the hottest topic after the latest tension erupted by SM Qureshi remarks about Saudi Arabia and its role on Kashmir issue, most talk about countries to form or lead a new Muslim bloc are four namely Malaysia, Iran, Qatar and Turkey, so in this brief article i will like to talk about these four countries only and their chances to join a chinese bloc respectively, so let start

1)Malaysia
Malaysia has changed drastically after Sir Mahatir, and not looking the same country, which hosted the KL summit last year, as unfortunately Sir Mahatir a true friend of Pakistan is no longer in the office, and due to a powerful ethnically Indian, Hindu minority, India is far strategically rooted in Malaysian state then Pakistan, which will eventually stop Malaysia from participating in any pro Pakistan/China or anti India bloc, that is why after departure of Sir Mahatir, we did not see any statement on Kashmir from Malaysia, even on the anniversary the black day marking abrogation of article 370 on Kashmir, there was a complete silence from Malaysia,
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/...-transformed-since-mahathirs-departure-318925

2) Iran
Iran is a strategic partner of India and unlike what we are being fed recently that Iran has put India out of Chabahar port, which was fake news generated by some media outlet and has been denied by Iranian officials
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ct-citing-funding-delays-200715063259623.html
(It is an updated article after Iranian official denial),
https://en.irna.ir/news/83864796/Iran-India-discuss-railways-cooperation
While their official news agency reports that India and Iran is discussing the Railway Cooperation,
https://en.irna.ir/news/83856537/186-containers-carrying-Afghan-goods-reach-Chabahar-port
And while we are living in fake world, Iran has already started this port to transit goods between Afghanistan and India,
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...nctions-rare-cooperation-200620161933575.html
As nothing stops India from investing in Chabahar because it is exempted from US sanction list.
And then there is a big list of terrorists operating against Pakistan being supported by Iran and hiding in Iran, eg: Kulboshan Yadav and Uzair Baloch, so considering these thing and still putting Iran in a strategic bloc will not going to benefit us but eventually it will hurt our interests.

3) Qatar
Qatar has always been neutral and will remain neutral, as no statement on Kashmir has been seen from it,
Qatar has the largest presence of US military in entire region and serve as the Central Command forward HQ for its forces
https://www.centcom.mil/AREA-OF-RESPONSIBILITY/Qatar/
so its strategic ties with US will stop Qatar from joining any Chinese bloc,

4) Turkey
Last but not the least Turkey, India has just finalized 2.3 billion dollar of worth deal with Turkey, to build naval ships, which eventually will be used against us in the future and Indian navy after announcement of CPEC has become the most important wing of the arm forces to undermine Chinese presence in south China sea and eventually sabotaging CPEC,
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...build-fleet-support-ships/article31893924.ece
so while Turkey is supporting our stance on Kashmir, it is also serving its financial interests by signing a strategic defense deal with India, Turkey is also a part of US lead NATO, responsible for the mess of Terrorism we faced from Afghanistan, which not only targeted our interest by fighting against IEA aka Afghan Taliban but also harbored and made Afghanistan a safe heaven for Terrorists attacking Pakistan, so being a part of NATO will eventually stop Turkey from becoming part of any Chinese bloc, and its current tensions with Russia over Syria makes NATO and US more needed for Turkey then ever before, Turkey is in deep rift with its NATO allies France and Greece also, on Libya and oil exploration in east Mediterranean sea respectively, which is a cause of concern for NATO, as NATO is already under huge pressure to deal with Turkey, so a move to join a Chinese bloc will be the last nail in the coffin for Turkey and not only Turkey will loose EU but will eventually loose US and NATO as well, and China alone cannot provide the support and the assistance these unions and alliances give Turkey strategically, so not only Turkey is in no position of joining any Chinese bloc but it is against Turkish interest as well,
https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-turkey/

Hence to sum it up, a muslim bloc comprising of above mentioned countries is not only impossible but eventually will make things tougher for everyone and surely can not serve our interests, so loosing and sacrificing time tested allies for a new and unrealistic bloc will be a diplomatic suicide for Pakistan,
Lastly an advice to my fellow countrymen that please do not buy every rhetoric thrown at you, do some research and then make an opinion.

There's no need to post same thread in different sections on the forum. This is a soft reminder.

 

[TNT]

Pakistanis love blocks and keep creating imaginary blocks while reality is that international relations have become extremely complex. In the modern age, every country has its own interests and keeps different levels of relations with different countries. We have very good relations with Turkey and it seems will keep enhancing, good for our defense needs as well. However we should also not lose relations created through decades with saudi and UAE. We have deep institutional relations and links, so many Pakistanis serving in important positions there. What we need is a fine balance and maturity, no emotional outbursts. Learn from chinese and European foreign ministries, how maturely they behave.

 

[PakAlp]

I dont see how making a security block between Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, Azerbaijan would cause issues. The GCC is a block, SCO is a block, Nato is a block but they all make alliances, agreements with other states. Why only when Muslim states think of a similar concept then suddenly it becomes an issue.

The block doesn't have to be anti Arab, anti West etc, it can be a security alliancee so that these states can come to a conclusion that we will not harm each other in their own lands, fight separatism, terrorism and extremism together, control borders jointly etc. They can continue to have disagreements in Libya, Iraq, Syria and Yemen. Pakistan and India are enemy states but are still part of SCO.

A purely defensive concept of a new Muslim block is the need of the time. Iran, Pakistan, Turkey have no say in OIC, what is stopping these neighbouring brotherly states to come together, they can work closely together in many fields. The future will prove who is slave and who is free.

I applaud those Pakistani, Turkish, Iranian, Azerbaijani people who are promoting this concept.

 

[The Accountant]

First of all, India is not center of the world right now but its on the way to become one.
Secondly, the whole Pakistan's foreign policy and security policy is fully India's centric. You won't accept it but you know it by heart.

Hahaha keep dreaming.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

What's the difference between Dr Israr Ahmed and Dr Zakir Naik?

- PRTP GWD

 

[ADIL SHERDIL]

I have been reading in many thread in this forum as soon as Arabs characters is being discussed someone always bring the Sect. Belief in the discussion. Like Pakistan is joking with Shia and wahabi stuff.
I don't know why we are so derived by this sect. thinking. Can't we be little mature about some serious stuff. UAE accepted Isreal. Egypt and Jordan have already accepted Isreal while Bahrain and Oman are in talking phase. I don't know about others but I am a Muslim before anything else. What they did felt like betrayal not only to me but to all of us.
Dr israr Ahmed have said many things regarding the Arabs and he have given Haddith as reference to those claims. He was a Alim Deen who had good knowledge of Quran and Haddith he has spoken on so many occasions about the percecution faced by Muslims and the cause behind them. And he was right on many accounts.
Aren't we all divided? Aren't we all fighting for own glory and glamor? Aren't we (Muslims) fighting against each other? Aren't we all considering ourselves more pious then others on the basis of this sectarian basis? Remember about the religion what our Prophet left us. There was no one better then the other on the basis of skin color or caste or region. Everyone is born equal and all have to pay for their sins.
We are all so busy in branding other Non Muslims that we have unfortunately forgotten all about being Muslims.