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JF-17 or Tejas..looks like neither was considered a good choice for Argentina


Argentine president Alberto Fernandez has said the country is not going to purchase any military aircraft for the time being, pulling the plug on a fighter jet tender that pitted the Chinese-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder against India’s HAL Tejas and the US-made F-16.

“Argentina has to allocate its resources to more important things than the purchase of military aircraft. We are in a very unequal continent, but there are no war problems and unity among countries is sought,” Fernandez said in an a video interview to FT.

The excerpt with the quote has since been reposted by Fernandez’s Twitter account.


Argentina’s choices​

In 2021, the Argentine government allocated $684 million for the purchase of supersonic combat aircraft in order to reinvigorate the country’s aging air force fleet.

Preliminary reports indicated that four options were being considered: the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, the joint Chinese-Pakistani CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder, the Indian-made HAL Tejas and the MiG-35, manufactured by Russia’s UAC.

Later reports indicated that the MiG-35 had been rejected and that the Argentine military was cross-evaluating the F-16, the JF-17 and the Tejas.

The JF-17 was often quoted as the strongest candidate for the purchase. In September 2021 a budget draft surfaced from the Executive branch of the Argentine government, mentioning the possible purchase of the JF-17. This spurred speculation that the Chinese-Pakistani offer had been successful.

In November 2022, Sabino Vaca Narvaja, the Argentine ambassador in Beijing, met with the representatives of China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) and discussed the possible purchase of the JF-17, implying that it held pole position in the tender process.

It should be noted that during negotiations the aircraft was often referred to by its Chinese designation, AVIC FC-1 Xiaolong. In addition, Pakistani representatives were not present in the meeting, lending credibility to earlier reports that Argentina is seeking to collaborate with China directly and organize the assembly of the aircraft at home, taking Pakistan’s place in the co-production process.

A search for alternatives​

Argentina has long struggled to modernize its air force, which suffered losses during the Falklands War with the United Kingdom in 1982.

After a domestic program to design a fourth-generation fighter jet failed, Argentina turned to foreign suppliers. However, many of its options were blocked due to the UK boycotting the sale of any aircraft component manufactured by a British company, as well as interference in talks with France and Israel.

The latest attempts to purchase South Korean-made KAI FA-50 light fighter suffered the same fate, with at least six of FA-50’s components – including the ejection seats – being made in the UK.

In the cases of the Tejas, HAL has said that it can manufacture the aircraft without British parts, while the FC-1/JF-17 is reportedly to have no such components. UK officials have since claimed that the sale of the F-16 would have met no British resistance.

Currently, the Argentine Air Force uses a number of domestically manufactured FMA IA-63 Pampa jet trainers, as well as a small fleet of heavily upgraded Lockheed Martin A-4AR Fightinghawk ground attack aircraft that are reportedly facing significant parts shortages.


 
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Who keeps bringing up these Tejas rumors? They literally can't buy this aircraft even if India wanted to give it to Argentina for free, b/c the aircraft uses a Martin-Baker Mk.16 ejection seat, thus is subject to UK export controls.

The only legitimate option for Argentina without fear of embargo of weapons or subcomponents is Russian and Chinese aircraft and Russian equipment comes with CAATSA sanctions and other blowback, so realistically the only option is the Chinese aircraft.
 
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“Argentina has to allocate its resources to more important things than the purchase of military aircraft. We are in a very unequal continent, but there are no war problems and unity among countries is sought,” Fernandez said in an a video interview to FT.
That is the most rational decision. A nation that is constantly in default for over two decades needs new military aircraft as urgently as Fernandez needs a hole in his head. To know what happens when a nation devotes most of the resources to military rather than development, Fernandez has to just read Pakistan newspapers.
 
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JF-17 or Tejas..looks like neither were considered a good choice for Argentina
How sad. 😀😀
No concern for the sentiments shown by the FMs on this forum?
Logon ne yahan maar kaat macha di.
Kya kya nahin kiya apne Jahaaz to bechne ke liye?
 
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Recession year.

They will get back on this.


And ya Teja bhai has no chance
 
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JF-17 or Tejas..looks like neither were considered a good choice for Argentina


Argentine president Alberto Fernandez has said the country is not going to purchase any military aircraft for the time being, pulling the plug on a fighter jet tender that pitted the Chinese-Pakistani JF-17 Thunder against India’s HAL Tejas and the US-made F-16.

“Argentina has to allocate its resources to more important things than the purchase of military aircraft. We are in a very unequal continent, but there are no war problems and unity among countries is sought,” Fernandez said in an a video interview to FT.

The excerpt with the quote has since been reposted by Fernandez’s Twitter account.


Argentina’s choices​

In 2021, the Argentine government allocated $684 million for the purchase of supersonic combat aircraft in order to reinvigorate the country’s aging air force fleet.

Preliminary reports indicated that four options were being considered: the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, the joint Chinese-Pakistani CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder, the Indian-made HAL Tejas and the MiG-35, manufactured by Russia’s UAC.

Later reports indicated that the MiG-35 had been rejected and that the Argentine military was cross-evaluating the F-16, the JF-17 and the Tejas.

The JF-17 was often quoted as the strongest candidate for the purchase. In September 2021 a budget draft surfaced from the Executive branch of the Argentine government, mentioning the possible purchase of the JF-17. This spurred speculation that the Chinese-Pakistani offer had been successful.

In November 2022, Sabino Vaca Narvaja, the Argentine ambassador in Beijing, met with the representatives of China National Aero-Technology Import & Export Corporation (CATIC) and discussed the possible purchase of the JF-17, implying that it held pole position in the tender process.

It should be noted that during negotiations the aircraft was often referred to by its Chinese designation, AVIC FC-1 Xiaolong. In addition, Pakistani representatives were not present in the meeting, lending credibility to earlier reports that Argentina is seeking to collaborate with China directly and organize the assembly of the aircraft at home, taking Pakistan’s place in the co-production process.

A search for alternatives​

Argentina has long struggled to modernize its air force, which suffered losses during the Falklands War with the United Kingdom in 1982.

After a domestic program to design a fourth-generation fighter jet failed, Argentina turned to foreign suppliers. However, many of its options were blocked due to the UK boycotting the sale of any aircraft component manufactured by a British company, as well as interference in talks with France and Israel.

The latest attempts to purchase South Korean-made KAI FA-50 light fighter suffered the same fate, with at least six of FA-50’s components – including the ejection seats – being made in the UK.

In the cases of the Tejas, HAL has said that it can manufacture the aircraft without British parts, while the FC-1/JF-17 is reportedly to have no such components. UK officials have since claimed that the sale of the F-16 would have met no British resistance.

Currently, the Argentine Air Force uses a number of domestically manufactured FMA IA-63 Pampa jet trainers, as well as a small fleet of heavily upgraded Lockheed Martin A-4AR Fightinghawk ground attack aircraft that are reportedly facing significant parts shortages.


Go ahead and dont buy. End of the day, its Argentina suffer without fighter jet and not us. China has plenty of money. Having or not for this deal wouldnt make us miss a sleep.
 
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Argentina doesn't have the money to purchase fighter jets at the moment, due to the state of its economy. It's perfectly understandable.
 
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Go ahead and dont buy. End of the day, its Argentina suffer without fighter jet and not us. China has plenty of money. Having or not for this deal wouldnt make us miss a sleep.
Lol if you were in Argentinas shoes you will do the same. The country is facing severe financial and economic difficulties for a long time now and you want them to start buying expensive fighter jets with money they don't have? Lol that's misplaced priorities. So this decision is the right one. Moroever Argentina is not in a position to challenge Britain militarily anyway to be honest. So it's better they give up on those claims and negotiate for peace to remain permanently and then focus on their economic crisis ..
 
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Very sensible decision from Argentinians point of view. Only the most stupid countries will buy military goods in negative balance. You become even more weaker with crippled economy. Economy is real strength.
 
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The winner is Korean T50/FA50 Eagle

Their current production:


Indonesia : 6 additional T50i (Attack variant)- 240 million USD
Poland: 48 FA50 - 3 billion USD

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Very possible near future deal (2023)

Malaysia MRCA program with 18 FA50 planes
 
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The winner is Korean T50/FA50 Eagle

Their current production:


Indonesia : 6 additional T50i (Attack variant)- 240 million USD
Poland: 48 FA50 - 3 billion USD

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Very possible near future deal (2023)

Malaysia MRCA program with 18 FA50 planes
Capability wise Tejas is the best 4th gen fighter jet in it’s category but the problem with Tejas is that it uses American Engines and hence it’s not immune to American sanctions but there is a probability of Tejas getting Indian engines in next 10 years so it’s certainly better than Korean FA-50 which is bound to use American engines for it’s entire lifetime
 
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Capability wise Tejas is the best 4th gen fighter jet in it’s category but the problem with Tejas is that it uses American Engines and hence it’s not immune to American sanctions but there is a probability of Tejas getting Indian engines in next 10 years so it’s certainly better than Korean FA-50 which is bound to use American engines for it’s entire lifetime

You should not worried Tejas too much

Domestic order from Indian Air Force has already made HAL feel overburden. India has large Air Force, domestic demand is enough to feed the production line.

I read somewhere HAL is still unable to pace with the order, the production line is not fast enough to fulfil order from Indian Air Force. If they deliver the plane late, then the company will get penalty and loss its revenue
 
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They do not have money and their economy is one of the worst performing in the world and I believe they are in the IMF program
 
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