Need to establish a Joint Task Force: PGCC (Pakistan + Gulf countries)

[s.k]

Gcc membership for pakistan, make nato like force and to hell with iranians, aaj tak iranians ne hamein diya kya ? Dushman ka dost hamesha dushman rehna chahiye

 

[VelocuR]

F-16 Block 60 (UAE)
Mirage 2000-9 (UAE)
F-16 Block 40 (Jordan)
F-7PG (Pakistan)

Line of story:

Jordan and UAE pilots request F-7PG: To do targets and bomb missions on terrorists camps, go run idiot!
F-7PG said: Okay okay, we will do for you sir. (weak smile)

Two F-16 Block 40 and 60 pilots said: Are you done? Do again next targets? We will wait for you, come back soon brownie puppy

F-7PG pilot: Yes yes sir, it will finish soon. But my engine is having some issue and my gunner is running out.

Mirage 2000-9: Too bad! Keep going, hurry up $#$#%!#@



Here's what they think of us.

 

[FaujHistorian]

NATO had something all the participants feared, The Godless Soviets Juggernaut.

The GCC can't even figure out how to create efficient unit cohesion. It's too much of a long shot.

I like the idea. Pakistan contributes troops to the fledgling Unified Forces of the GCC, and in return gets paid for their services, along with relationships with counterparts. But you have to realize, the greater powers to be aren't going to like this one bit.

Pakistan will not only contribute soldiers. it will contribute commanders.

Imagine 10,000 Pakistani troops statationed in KSA.

you can well imaginee their commander will be a Pakistani General as you cannot find someone else to lead a force of this size..

And Yes Americans will be jumping with joy.

It allows them to have one less worry.

 

[That Guy]

After the way they treated Pakistan? They insulted Pakistan's dignity. @Nihonjin1051 is right, let the Arab governments clean up their own filthy mess. Pakistan's priority is Pakistan, and the holy cities. Qatar and Jordan are the only ones I respect.

 

[HAIDER]

NATO had something all the participants feared, The Godless Soviets Juggernaut.

The GCC can't even figure out how to create efficient unit cohesion. It's too much of a long shot.

I like the idea. Pakistan contributes troops to the fledgling Unified Forces of the GCC, and in return gets paid for their services, along with relationships with counterparts. But you have to realize, the greater powers to be aren't going to like this one bit.

I think Pakistan army serve as " combat consultant ". Formulate the strategy and provide deployment planning. And there soldiers and generals figure out how to fight with enemy.

Faui Bhai,

Give little reality touch in coming years. In next few years a big lot of Suadi and rest arab countries kids are coming back from European and American universities , they have more interaction with Indians then Pakistani. In coming years, lots of Indian will and are taking over top jobs in Arab countries. And Pakistani people are portray as losers and terrorist. If you need more info ask me, interact with lots of study groups in US and Canada from GCC countries. Pakistani will lose more respect in coming years, not because they are poor , because of their " unnecessary emotional attachments " . with arabs govts.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

I think Pakistan army serve as " combat consultant ". Formulate the strategy and provide deployment planning. And there soldiers and generals figure out how to fight with enemy.

They're already doing that. For the Saudis atleast.

 

[Kambojaric]

And the purpose of this task force would be to further the interests of the GCC? Im sorry Fauji Bhai but we arent part of the GCC and nor do our interests necessarily coincide with with their sectarian mindset. Even on this forum I have seen Arabs refusing to recognize other Arabs as Arabs because they are Shia. So do you seriously think that these GCC countries will ever come to the help of Pakistan in Kashmir or in any other Pakistani conflict? I think you are smart enough to know that our soldiers are cannon fodder for them. Shias, Christians etc are an integral part of our armed forces. Inheriting the GCC's sectarian mindset will kill our own armed forces from within. So no thank you. The Middle East is a mess and we should disassociate ourselves from it to the greatest extent possible, rather than getting more involved in it. After all we all know what formerly stable countries like Iraq, Syria or Libya are going through right now. Do you really want Pakistan to get more involved in this mess?

 

[Metanoia]

Pakistan is a fcuked up country and it needs to sort itself out...culturally, politically, economically etc.

Can not put enough emphasis on how fcuked this country is...seriously. Anyone one with an iota of common sense and love for Pakistan will go for a non-aligned approach.

 

[Aepsilons]

I respect your views. Please look at it from a different angle. Libya became bad because there was no stabilizing force in post-Qaddaafi era.

To be honest with you, my friend, Libya became destabilized when NATO went in and funded the rebels (who in turn would be revealed to be linked to Al Qaeda and ISIS sympathizers later on) to oust Gaddafi. In my view, NATO should not have dislodged Gaddafi; rather, the West should have learned to cooperated with the man and his successors. At least during Gaddafi, there was a sense of stability in the country and Gaddafi , despite his histrionic behaviorism and eclectic personality, was relatively predictable in regards to politics. Lastly, after the fall of Gaddafi, many of the warm arms and material that were once the property of the Libyan Army are now being funneled to Mali, then to terror groups in Nigeria ergo Boko Haram.

Libya was developed and relatively peaceful compared to what it is now; a failed state, with rampant terrorists scourging about the entire country. Foreign interventionism at its best (sarcasm here).

Pakistan is a fcuked up country and it needs to sort itself out...culturally, politically, economically etc.

Can not put enough emphasis on how fcuked this country is...seriously. Anyone one with an iota of common sense and love for Pakistan will go for a non-aligned approach.

I don't think its right to blame the entire country, my friend. The role Saudi Arabia had on the radicalization and spreading of extremist ideology in Pakistan cannot be ignored, and that concept and radicalization has been seen in regards to the funneling of same ideology to say Syria; ergo, ISIL, ISIS, FSA, etc.

Pakistan , right now, needs to secure its borders, and stamp out foreign ideological influence on its population. One cannot alienate the fact that foreign ideological influence in Pakistan is a means to destabilize the country. Afterall, without these radicalization factors then Pakistan would be a stable, nuclear powered, economic power. Do you think it would serve these so called 'states' to have a Superpower Pakistan?

No, of course not.

Pakistan has to really phase out foreign backed ideological forces in the country. These serve not the best of interest of Pakistan, but actually serve to destabilize the country.

 

[Finer]

Pakistan should stay away form the meddlings of Arab states. As a Japanese, I can say that its best to look to one's own affairs, and the only time Pakistan should intervene militarily is to cater to the needs of her citizens in the MIddle East in the event wider conflict cannot be abated. Let that region deal with their own menace and problems.

The Parliament of Pakistan and the Pakistan Military should be reserved for the protection of the Nation's own borders. The 180 million Pakistanis need the protection of its own military , and the military should not be sent abroad for the interests of foreign states who have never contributed for the defense of Pakistan in past wars.

Let us all learn from the quagmire of Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Egypt. Stay out of the catastrophe in the Middle East...

This. [This is man who actually cares about Pakistan]

KSA lovers and Iranian lovers!

Please read this important message.

 

[FaujHistorian]

And the purpose of this task force would be to further the interests of the GCC? ....

No Sir. The emphasis here is PGCC and not just GCC.

 

[Zarvan]

It is pathetic to haggle between Pakistani and Saudi brothers over man power and money.. This pathetic discussion resulted from the fact that we all have not setup proper institutions in advance to deal with calamities and disasters like in Yemen.

The need of the hour is to quickly setup at least a defense institution as PGCC joint task force.
main task for this is to control the anarchy resulting from the ugly breakdown off the governments.

This force should establish military bases in the region with consultation of the military commanders. Cost and man power will be all shared and help drastically cut down the individual spending by pooling resources from all parties.

JTF-PGCC is the way to go.

p.s. If iran comes out of international sanctions it should be invited to join PGCC. As GCC should expand to both sides of Gulf.


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I agree in fact we need to work on economy fast and as economy improves or if some oil related miracle happens we need to increase our Armed Forces and deploy a massive number in KSA

 

[Jf Thunder]

It is pathetic to haggle between Pakistani and Saudi brothers over man power and money.. This pathetic discussion resulted from the fact that we all have not setup proper institutions in advance to deal with calamities and disasters like in Yemen.

The need of the hour is to quickly setup at least a defense institution as PGCC joint task force.
main task for this is to control the anarchy resulting from the ugly breakdown off the governments.

This force should establish military bases in the region with consultation of the military commanders. Cost and man power will be all shared and help drastically cut down the individual spending by pooling resources from all parties.

JTF-PGCC is the way to go.

p.s. If iran comes out of international sanctions it should be invited to join PGCC. As GCC should expand to both sides of Gulf.


@Slav Defence, @Luftwaffe, @WebMaster, @Jungibaaz, @jaibi, @notsuperstitious, @Azlan Haider, @ajpirzada, @DESERT FIGHTER, @AgNoStiC MuSliM, @Jazzbot, @Jf Thunder, @Hyperion, @JonAsad, @Nihonjin1051, @cirr, @Cherokee @Donatello, @Genesis, @Bamxa, @SarthakGanguly, @Cat Shannon, @Butchcassidy, @Norwegian, @Mr.UTurn, @GreenFalcon, @Syed.Ali.Haider, @Joe Shearer, @scorpionx, @Irfan Baloch, @orangzaib, @jhungary, @Xeric, @Icarus, @CENTCOM

not possible if it was that easy then an OIC force would have been established

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan should stay away form the meddlings of Arab states. As a Japanese, I can say that its best to look to one's own affairs, and the only time Pakistan should intervene militarily is to cater to the needs of her citizens in the MIddle East in the event wider conflict cannot be abated. Let that region deal with their own menace and problems.

The Parliament of Pakistan and the Pakistan Military should be reserved for the protection of the Nation's own borders. The 180 million Pakistanis need the protection of its own military , and the military should not be sent abroad for the interests of foreign states who have never contributed for the defense of Pakistan in past wars.

Let us all learn from the quagmire of Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Egypt. Stay out of the catastrophe in the Middle East...

Very well said. This is the sad conclusion most have come to.

Although, a union between blocs, regions and countries is a good thing. Especially if trade binds countries and regions. Fauji has a point that a proper well organized bloc is the way forward. Even a military one.

 

[FaujHistorian]

not possible if it was that easy then an OIC force would have been established

Bhai Jaan (or is it Behn Ji? ),

Please do not forget that it is much much much much easy to start with smaller group and slowly increase in number of the active members.

Most of the successful companies and organizations start small and grow over time.

OIC is HUUUUUUUUUUUGE group of countries and thus impossible to form.

GCC on the other hand was much easier to form. Few countries, smaller set of objectives and thus a relatively active group of countries.

Adding one country too GCC and make it PGCC is much easier.

Hope this helps.