Need to establish a Joint Task Force: PGCC (Pakistan + Gulf countries)

[FaujHistorian]

How does it matter's in current discussion fauji bhai ?

Just wanted to see if you have directly seen how Pakistani soldiers/officers are treated in KSA.

 

[ajpirzada]

I will be more comfortable with an OIC joint force. Gulf countries have a very sectarian centred approach in their regional security analysis.

 

[FaujHistorian]

I will be more comfortable with an OIC joint force. Gulf countries have a very sectarian centred approach in their regional security analysis.

Sadly OIC is a dead horse.

why?

OIC by itself will never be effective organization unless it is supported by regional groupings like the idea of PGCC.

Only a dream
Every country has different interests
And in Pakistan even none of ur politician is sincere to country, every politician has own interests

GCC is already a reality.

I am just adding one more logical member country.

 

[ajpirzada]

Sadly OIC is a dead horse.

why?

OIC by itself will never be effective organization unless it is supported by regional groupings like the idea of PGCC.

sadly u r right. but efforts should be made to revive it to whatever extent.

Ill rather stay away from the Gulf group of countries. Its too biased a representation of muslim world. Maybe a joint force at the level of Arab countries + Pakistan + Turkey?

 

[Informant]

Think tank analysts these days...smh.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Please don't compare the way Pakistani soldier is treated by Saudi officer
to
the way Indian, Pakistani, Bdeshi brick layer is treated by low level Arab staff in the street.

Not that I condone bad behavior towards brck layer.

My cousin is a major in the Pakistani Army, he loathes every time the Gulf Arabs request Pakistani soldiers to look into matters.

Cousin: Why do you constantly request Pakistani Soldiers
Arab: We like the Pakistani Uniform.

.....

This Task Force is not going to happen. It's just a wet-dream that has been discussed already on this forum.

 

[hussain0216]

Absolutely

At the moment we have "understandings" and no one knows what this means

Basically it means Pakistan will protect the Saudi home land as a last resort



We need a proper framework with the GCC properly written down and agreed upon by our respective parliaments and governments


This way we know what the requirements are and can make our own demands whether it be funding for Pak military or nukes or actions against india in times of hostility



A strategic alliance is a must for both sides and we shouldn't allow fears and idiots get in the way

 

[Wolfhound]

stereotypes?/QUOTE]

Have you ever been to GCC countries, worked there? These arent stereotypes everyone knows that they are very very racist and they surely will respect our armed forces because they know what our forces do for them

 

[SipahSalar]

It is pathetic to haggle between Pakistani and Saudi brothers over man power and money.

That's what they had invited us to join. They had a 15% composition of Pak soldiers in their coalition, but Pakistan decided not to join.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

We need a proper framework with the GCC properly written down and agreed upon by our respective parliaments and governments

This way we know what the requirements are and can make our own demands whether it be funding for Pak military or nukes or actions against india in times of hostility

Look at the geo-political conflicts that are in NATO.

Then look at the Muslim States that should be in this taskforce. Every State has there own National Interests. The Qataris wouldnt end their support for Morsi until after the Saudis and UAE overthrew him. This taskforce will just be moved around to combat Iran.

 

[hussain0216]

Look at the geo-political conflicts that are in NATO.

Then look at the Muslim States that should be in this taskforce. Every State has there own National Interests. The Qataris wouldnt end their support for Morsi until after the Saudis and UAE overthrew him. This taskforce will just be moved around to combat Iran.

We need to look after our own interests

Now is a good time to work out a deal with the GCC

We have made our point about not being dragged into the Yemen conflict now we have to think about the future


We have thousands of citizens working in the Gulf, now is the timevto negotiate better rights for them

Our military is already heavily involved in the GCC, now is the time to request heavy investment in iur forces and defence products


Now is the time to negotiate concrete anti indian actions to be taken in times of hostility


We have three main allies China, Turkey and the GCC we cant forsake any if them

I dont mind the iranians i have nothing against them but what have they ever done for us that we should be concerned about them above our own people if the GCC can give us a proper defence agreement then we need to grab it, and to hell with the iranians

If iran can offer us something or help us against our enemy india then whst is it

 

[HAIDER]

It is pathetic to haggle between Pakistani and Saudi brothers over man power and money.. This pathetic discussion resulted from the fact that we all have not setup proper institutions in advance to deal with calamities and disasters like in Yemen.

The need of the hour is to quickly setup at least a defense institution as PGCC joint task force.
main task for this is to control the anarchy resulting from the ugly breakdown off the governments.

This force should establish military bases in the region with consultation of the military commanders. Cost and man power will be all shared and help drastically cut down the individual spending by pooling resources from all parties.

JTF-PGCC is the way to go.

p.s. If iran comes out of international sanctions it should be invited to join PGCC. As GCC should expand to both sides of Gulf.


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Fauji bhai,

Bhai jan ...chor do arab slavery.....think like independent state Don't be arab begging bowl...Even arab see Pakistani as potential terrorist on every airport....to hell with Ummah...non arab support Pakistan in Kashmir cause....all walk away...

 

[Kompromat]

Will GCC go to war with India if they invade Pakistan? - No!

There goes your 'task force'

 

[FaujHistorian]

Look at the geo-political conflicts that are in NATO.

Then look at the Muslim States that should be in this taskforce. Every State has there own National Interests. The Qataris wouldnt end their support for Morsi until after the Saudis and UAE overthrew him.

NATO is the model for PGCC. Please remember that.

This taskforce will just be moved around to combat Iran.

Presence of Pakistani army in GCC will be stabilizing factor and thus reduce the chances of friction with Iran.

Remember when Irann comes out of sanctions, it will be part of GCC too.

So PGCC will hold and become stronger.

Will GCC go to war with India if they invade Pakistan? - No!

There goes your 'task force'

Presence of PGCC will deter India or another country to attack Pakistan.

Eik Eik aur do giyara.

Closer to home, a PGCC would have been a HUGE help in Wazirastan ops in terms of reducing stress on our air assets.

Fauji bhai,

Bhai jan ...chor do arab slavery.......

Are Americans, Germans and Italians slaves in NATO ?


Please come out of this cave age mentality.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

NATO is the model for PGCC. Please remember that.

Presence of Pakistani army in GCC will be stabilizing factor and thus reduce the chances of friction with Iran.

Remember when Irann comes out of sanctions, it will be part of GCC too.

So PGCC will hold and become stronger.

NATO had something all the participants feared, The Godless Soviets Juggernaut.

The GCC can't even figure out how to create efficient unit cohesion. It's too much of a long shot.

I like the idea. Pakistan contributes troops to the fledgling Unified Forces of the GCC, and in return gets paid for their services, along with relationships with counterparts. But you have to realize, the greater powers to be aren't going to like this one bit.