NCM has lost legitimacy.

[Jungibaaz]

We don't expect you to believe.

What Sharif and Bajwa said strengthened his argument.

Now everyone can see.

Good, I know his supporters are in full siege mentality mode right now lol, and even in the best of times they are hard to reason with.

US has history of toppling government. Also, Biden allergy to thank/call IK shows that IK knew that the US is already angry.
He is not damaging our relations with the US but taking a stance. Despite his multiple revelation that we want relations with all, just his 'absolutely not' on critical thing is highlighted. Perhaps, it was paddled by opposition to the US, that only IK is the problem and he will never cooperate with you.

Gen Bajwa may be palying good cop or like old double game or doing damage control, who knows. But instead of condeming russia he cd have said, that loss of innocent lives is matter of concern and we want a political and peaceful solution, the sooner the possible.

However, Pindi is dictating foreign policy if it is not IK stance.

What’s his stance exactly? Besides for internal political messaging? The independent foreign policy is an internal talking point, it’s not practical for most countries, especially given we’re constantly taking IMF loans and the like from them.

It’s no stance at all, he’s creating this crisis for his own personal political benefit. Nothing is more important to this man than his own power, even if it damages Pakistan’s standing and credibility, typical politician.

 

[SD 10]

Good, I know his supporters are in full siege mentality mode right now lol, and even in the best of times they are hard to reason with.


What’s his stance exactly? Besides for internal political messaging? The independent foreign policy is an internal talking point, it’s not practical for most countries, especially given we’re constantly taking IMF loans and the like from them.

It’s no stance at all, he’s creating this crisis for his own personal political benefit. Nothing is more important to this man than his own power, even if it damages Pakistan’s standing and credibility, typical politician.

Pakistan has a credibility under shareefs or his likes? like really? You call that credibility? Better consult dictionary! Credibility is something that is not knows to N league or their likes!

 

[12thPlayer]

He has not "condemned" anything. This is just Sanghi disinformation campaign.

If you don't want to believe and shut it with one liner of some "Sanghi" thing that is another thing. But I am sure Russia wouldn't be happy with below words.

"Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Gen Qamar Bajwa on Saturday said that Russia's invasion of Ukraine must be "stopped immediately", terming it a great tragedy.

Speaking at the Islamabad Security Dialogue, Gen Bajwa expressed Pakistan's serious concern over the conflict, adding that "despite legitimate security concerns of Russia, its aggression against a smaller country cannot be condoned."

"Pakistan has consistently called for an immediate ceasefire and cessation of hostilities. We support immediate dialogue between all sides to find a lasting solution to the conflict," he added.

He said the Russian invasion of Ukraine was very unfortunate as thousands of people had been killed, millions made refugees and "half of Ukraine destroyed".

The army chief said the conflict gave hope to smaller countries that they could still defend their territory with smaller but agile forces against aggression by a bigger country by carrying out selective modernatisation of equipment."

 

[Patriot forever]

Good, I know his supporters are in full siege mentality mode right now lol, and even in the best of times they are hard to reason with.


What’s his stance exactly? Besides for internal political messaging? The independent foreign policy is an internal talking point, it’s not practical for most countries, especially given we’re constantly taking IMF loans and the like from them.

It’s no stance at all, he’s creating this crisis for his own personal political benefit. Nothing is more important to this man than his own power, even if it damages Pakistan’s standing and credibility, typical politician.

A typical cherry blossom.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509967813615755264

BTW IK stance is very clear unless you were living under a rock.

 

[Goenitz]

It’s no stance at all, he’s creating this crisis for his own personal political benefit. Nothing is more important to this man than his own power, even if it damages Pakistan’s standing and credibility, typical politician.

The conviction you have that IK is doing for his own sake makes you a mind reader.
Anyway, the stance:
1. No participation in block/camp.
2. No aprticipation in another's physical/diplomatic war.
3. We will take care of our border. Just support us in any form but no foreign base and actions inside Pakistan.

 

[AMG_12]

IK claim is bit doubtful because why he waited till 27th March for all this and when MQMP joined opposition he called NSC meeting. This all seems like political point scoring for PTI. Even if NCM is failed how can he run assembly with so many defections within his Party. His only option is to get his party in order and get majority in next elections.

Why Foreign Minister was meeting US officials on 21st March?

Most important today COAS General Bajwa said we have good relations with US and pretty much went against Russia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510147734250332161

Russian invasion of Ukraine must be stopped immediately: COAS Bajwa​

Russian invasion of Ukraine must be stopped immediately: COAS Bajwa

Terms invasion a "huge tragedy", says Russia's aggression cannot be condoned despite its legitimate security concerns.

www.dawn.com

As I posted in another thread, Bajwa condemned Russian invasion, something Pakistan hadn’t done. He literally contradicted our own stand on Ukraine war bowing to his masters as expected. I believe army will get Foreign Ministry for orchestrating this NCM and billions in aid. They’re equal Zameer Farosh, not just that but also Mulk Farosh, worse than opposition. And with this NCM, they’ll loose support of the only Pro-Pakistanis (IK voters). And today he’s ousted as establishment is hand in cuff with the opposition and foreign powers, what guarantee do we have that tomorrow IK be allowed to even come back to power? If they’re not letting IK in power for another 1.5 years, do you think they’ll let him in for another 5? The biggest threat to IK is this establishment. Tomorrow they’ll have their own favourite judge, their own favourite chief and America whom they worship.

 

[Jungibaaz]

BTW IK stance is very clear unless you were living under a rock.

He can talk rubbish all day, wake me up if he stays PM and the decides to reject IMF loans etc.

He’s lying to you folks through his teeth, I hope this gets exposed one day.

 

[Rank]

He made the same statement the Prime Minister has made.

Again he has no right. It is the responsibility of FO, not Army

 

[Hareeb]

So it ends here.
And now, it's confirmed military establishment is also involved to topple IK's govt for his policies.
Phattu army. Eik phone call per laitney wale kia janey ghairat kia hoti ha.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Talking about legitimacy - well the office of CoAS has not gained legitimacy as well. This will go down in history books as conspiracy.

I am happy that Imran Khan has brought this all up in his last days. He is doing his best to make everything aware of it - something which wasn't been discussed so blatantly in the past.

 

[Jungibaaz]

The conviction you have that IK is doing for his own sake makes you a mind reader.
Anyway, the stance:
1. No participation in block/camp.
2. No aprticipation in another's physical/diplomatic war.
3. We will take care of our border. Just support us in any form but no foreign base and actions inside Pakistan.

1. We weren’t part of any block before him either. And won’t be after he leaves either.
2. Ditto, no participation before or after.
3. We’ve had no foreign base since Shamsi. Which was not even a result of any civilian government but Musharraf era. Again, this was the case before and will be the case after. Btw, they asked for an air corridor not a base, but that’s another subject.

So basically you’re proving my point, his whole indépendant foreign policy spiel is just rhetoric for his supporters to swallow.

The last time he tried something like this in building a block with Malaysia and Turkey. He damaged our relations with the GCC, Saudis cut him down to size and forced him not to go to the KL conference. Same story there, they bail us out, we can’t say no to them. The COAS had to personally sort this mess out with the Saudis because IK shat the bed on relations with Saudi. Same thing happening now with US but worse.

People need to critically view what IK is saying, he’s taking you all for a ride.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Again he has no right. It is the responsibility of FO, not Army

On strategic dialogue forums, you can like NATO chiefs talking about Russia openly. Anyway statement by any Pakistani CoAS is given more importance than FM office generally.

 

[IceCold]

COAS and ISI Chief should had been sacked. It is now clear as day who is involved in this conspiracy.
The problem is IK does not believe in conflict with state institutions specially the ones responsible for defense.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Bitter fact: Pakistan Army still uses beat up old American hardware. Other than Tanks and some New artillery system all mechanized stuff is old US origin.

Gen sahib ki toss ho gai, just like his predecessor Gen Commando.

 

[LeGenD]

If you don't want to believe and shut it with one liner of some "Sanghi" thing that is another thing. But I am sure Russia wouldn't be happy with below words.

"Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Gen Qamar Bajwa on Saturday said that Russia's invasion of Ukraine must be "stopped immediately", terming it a great tragedy.

Speaking at the Islamabad Security Dialogue, Gen Bajwa expressed Pakistan's serious concern over the conflict, adding that "despite legitimate security concerns of Russia, its aggression against a smaller country cannot be condoned."

"Pakistan has consistently called for an immediate ceasefire and cessation of hostilities. We support immediate dialogue between all sides to find a lasting solution to the conflict," he added.

He said the Russian invasion of Ukraine was very unfortunate as thousands of people had been killed, millions made refugees and "half of Ukraine destroyed".

The army chief said the conflict gave hope to smaller countries that they could still defend their territory with smaller but agile forces against aggression by a bigger country by carrying out selective modernatisation of equipment."

You are very concerned about Russian mood? His statement is on MERIT. From within our country of 220 million, only the COAS had sufficient spine to say something on those lines.

Russians invaded Ukraine when PM Imran Khan was there to meet them. This is not controversial?

If WE choose to be selective about whom to condemn for acts of aggression in the world, then our voice for Indian oppression of J&K carries NO weight either. OIC is like Oh I See.

Both Russia and Ukraine are among the suppliers of equipment and technologies to Pakistan. Ukraine also respected Pakistan's stance on J&K but Pakistani communists are not bothered by what Russia did to Ukraine.

WE love to talk about accountability and integrity meanwhile.