Navy expects early arrival of submarines

[BDforever]

Bangladesh should make a move for Turkish or South Korean secondhand U-209 type instead this secondhand Ming Class

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[idune]

Not sure why would first time subs buyers would for primary reason training and secondary petrolling order $300m each submarines which makes no sense thus the better decision is to buy refurbished subs with a lot of tech from 2000s its not like these subs are being not upgraded at all. You get what you pay for and what the requirnments are...what were other options russians subs? No matter what you should be glad BN economy is stable in coming years BD would be able to procure better latest equipment 2022-2025 at best is not far away BD should be able to order latest subs after familiarity with current order.

There are other Chinese sub than sub based in 40s technology (with makeover ofcourse). Do you have proof that these are any better than that? So Luftwaffe dictates what is good for BD and what BD should procure or this is second hand info you are regurgitating on behalf of someone? There are plenty of examples navies less experienced than Bangladesh procured much better class sub and operating fine. Bangladesh navy had been in sub training with different countries (Turkey, Pakistan and in China) since last ten years.

 

[Luftwaffe]

There are other Chinese sub than sub based in 40s technology (wii th makeover ofcourse). Do you have proof that these are any better than that? So Luftwaffe dictates what is good for BD and what BD should procure or this is second hand info you are regurgitating on behalf of someone? There are plenty of examples navies less experienced than Bangladesh procured much better class sub and operating fine. Bangladesh navy had been in sub training with different countries (Turkey, Pakistan and in China) since last ten years.

Did you see me dictating? I'm assuming logical decision taken by BD navy. How do you assume the Chinese Subs in question have not been reasonably modernized? Did you know China has been operating a couple of nuclears subs since late 1970s thus I shall assume this subs that BDN are buying would equally be upgraded to some relevant standards that is why China were oprating rather than buying kilo class in 90s early 2000. Did I not ask you what other options were availsble? Russians or German Type 209 which india already oprates as well as Turkey but much modernized. You think india would let BDN get it a proven platform? I told you BD interest in Agosta 90 but French are not happy at all with Pakistan. So what were realistic options in $200m to 300m for couple subs which certainly BDN can't get from West or even Russians, a lot of things comes with subs that do rises costs. Please do state which subs were you looking for BDN...

 

[Echo_419]

Did you see me dictating? I'm assuming logical decision taken by BD navy. How do you assume the Chinese Subs in question have not been reasonably modernized? Did you know China has been operating a couple of nuclears subs since late 1970s thus I shall assume this subs that BDN are buying would equally be upgraded to some relevant standards that is why China were oprating rather than buying kilo class in 90s early 2000. Did I not ask you what other options were availsble? Russians or German Type 209 which india already oprates as well as Turkey but much modernized. You think india would let BDN get it a proven platform? I told you BD interest in Agosta 90 but French are not happy at all with Pakistan. So what were realistic options in $200m to 300m for couple subs which certainly BDN can't get from West or even Russians, a lot of things comes with subs that do rises costs. Please do state which subs were you looking for BDN...

BS,BD is free to buy whatever it wants

 

[Bagha]

Did you see me dictating? I'm assuming logical decision taken by BD navy. How do you assume the Chinese Subs in question have not been reasonably modernized? Did you know China has been operating a couple of nuclears subs since late 1970s thus I shall assume this subs that BDN are buying would equally be upgraded to some relevant standards that is why China were oprating rather than buying kilo class in 90s early 2000. Did I not ask you what other options were availsble? Russians or German Type 209 which india already oprates as well as Turkey but much modernized. You think india would let BDN get it a proven platform? I told you BD interest in Agosta 90 but French are not happy at all with Pakistan. So what were realistic options in $200m to 300m for couple subs which certainly BDN can't get from West or even Russians, a lot of things comes with subs that do rises costs. Please do state which subs were you looking for BDN...

BS you can buy whatever you wan't ; you can arm yourself with anything available in the world. India won't stop you.
Of course we don't want you guys to have nuclear warheads other than that , anything. Anything that will make you happy.

 

[chaanmia]

@Luftwaffe leave it dude you won't be able to convince him this guy is a great military strategist but kept in the shadow (intentionally) by combined pagan-zionist forces

 

[Luftwaffe]

BS,BD is free to buy whatever it wants

Are you sure than why did BDN not pick s20 or kilo or 209 or type 214 or scorpion subs. Did you know even today u209 refurbished would cost more than $200m now consider BD budget allocated now stop whinning.

 

[Donatello]

Isn't it better to procure the smaller, sub 1000 ton boats for submarine training and setup and then get proper SSKs?

 

[Luftwaffe]

Isn't it better to procure the smaller, sub 1000 ton boats for submarine training and setup and then get proper SSKs?

Which one extensively upgraded Challanger Class only 4 in service with Singapore and U210 both development had shut down. Between 1050-1150 tons. Type 35G is heavy upgrade of type 33 from sonar to all other equipment the bangladesh deal is fine for their budget.

 

[idune]

Did you see me dictating? I'm assuming logical decision taken by BD navy. How do you assume the Chinese Subs in question have not been reasonably modernized? Did you know China has been operating a couple of nuclears subs since late 1970s thus I shall assume this subs that BDN are buying would equally be upgraded to some relevant standards that is why China were oprating rather than buying kilo class in 90s early 2000. Did I not ask you what other options were availsble? Russians or German Type 209 which india already oprates as well as Turkey but much modernized. You think india would let BDN get it a proven platform? I told you BD interest in Agosta 90 but French are not happy at all with Pakistan. So what were realistic options in $200m to 300m for couple subs which certainly BDN can't get from West or even Russians, a lot of things comes with subs that do rises costs. Please do state which subs were you looking for BDN...

Your tone sure have changed. I have asked you if you have proof of your claim that these subs modernized? You still making claim rather than proof. China operating SSBN is irreverent and funny to bring into discussion. Type 39 would have been optimal choice, this does not cost arms and legs and within reach. Type 39 / Song Class Attack Submarine - Naval Technology

One interesting point you made was "You think india would let BDN get it a proven platform?" I had made point earlier post that india would obstruct and for current regime even instruct not to get a worthy platform. So there is no point beat around bushes and making layers of assumptions.

 

[Otocal]

So Bangladesh is getting an AIP submarine before India?

Damn... IN is really messed up. Please get your priorities in order. SSK before DDG.

Did you see me dictating? I'm assuming logical decision taken by BD navy. How do you assume the Chinese Subs in question have not been reasonably modernized? Did you know China has been operating a couple of nuclears subs since late 1970s thus I shall assume this subs that BDN are buying would equally be upgraded to some relevant standards that is why China were oprating rather than buying kilo class in 90s early 2000. Did I not ask you what other options were availsble? Russians or German Type 209 which india already oprates as well as Turkey but much modernized. You think india would let BDN get it a proven platform? I told you BD interest in Agosta 90 but French are not happy at all with Pakistan. So what were realistic options in $200m to 300m for couple subs which certainly BDN can't get from West or even Russians, a lot of things comes with subs that do rises costs. Please do state which subs were you looking for BDN...

French are not happy with Pakistan? What do you mean?

 

[Donatello]

Which one extensively upgraded Challanger Class only 4 in service with Singapore and U210 both development had shut down. Between 1050-1150 tons. Type 35G is heavy upgrade of type 33 from sonar to all other equipment the bangladesh deal is fine for their budget.

Bangladesh will need serious manpower and it's training to take on submarine command. It is better to start now with smaller vessels. Good thing with Pakistan was that they sorted that out in late 70s...and Agostas give us the platform to go one level above.....SSN/SSBN/SSK in the 3000-6000tonne class.

Bangladesh can opt for the Amur class from Russia/Italy or the Andrasta class from French DCNS. But that would depend on how well Bangladesh has relations with them. A third option can be they float a reasonable value RFP, and perhaps Korean/Chinese ship builders can offer something.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Your tone sure have changed. I have asked you if you have proof of your claim that these subs modernized? You still making claim rather than proof. China operating SSBN is irreverent and funny to bring into discussion. Type 39 would have been optimal choice, this does not cost arms and legs and within reach. Type 39 / Song Class Attack Submarine - Naval Technology

One interesting point you made was "You think india would let BDN get it a proven platform?" I had made point earlier post that india would obstruct and for current regime even instruct not to get a worthy platform. So there is no point beat around bushes and making layers of assumptions.

Proof? Did you read about Type 35G...google it... read up upgrades and variants of Type 35 over Type 33. Let me speculate perhaps BDN later wants something better like S-20s further upgraded variants rather than going for 39/G.You are right type 39A/G is major product compared to 35G but it is BDN decision thus definitely evaluated and satisfied before opting for 35G that is product BDN is getting. My point to let you know Chinese SSBN from 70's is those subs have been extensively modernized in 90s and perhaps post 2000 thus such a major sub has gone under MLU so modernizing 35G would not have been difficult...different subs for diff tasks each did go through upgrades now you should not speculate that non ever gone through upgrades after development and operational.