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NATO official: Turkey faces ‘consequences’ if purchase of S-400 completed

After an attack on day by day from India to Pakistan border Pak Army should be responsible is great but please share what type of response to India from Pak army to teach a lesson & then India will be silent & want to discuss all the matter solve through dialogue, like a Kashmir or Water Issue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Etc
 
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After an attack on day by day from India to Pakistan border Pak Army should be responsible is great but please share what type of response to India from Pak army to teach a lesson & then India will be silent & want to discuss all the matter solve through dialogue, like a Kashmir or Water Issue,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Etc
With respect brother -- this sounds a little bit off-topic.
 
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In which universe did we express intent to buy patriots this october?
 

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Just kick Turkey out of NATO. It wants to chart its own course politically, diplomatically, militarily, and economically. Rest of NATO should oblige it.

Lol at this lil'Turkey expert... It's already signed, long negotiations completed and Turkey's S-400s are on the delivery list. Moreover, co-production and developing a new system with Russia is on the table..


P.S.: Fvck NATO

NATO nations can't buy equipment from an enemy nation like Russia. THAD from USA can be bought by Turkey. Using S400 will give leverage to Russia.

Kicking out Turkey from NATO is a possibility but here, it is the Turkey which must withdraw itself.

PS- Co production with Russia is just a joke. Russia doesn't agree to sell state of the art technology. AK47, MRBL, small arms, parts of vehicles etc may be produced with turkey. But, a complex radar like this S400 can't be.
 
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NATO nations can't buy equipment from an enemy nation like Russia. THAD from USA can be bought by Turkey. Using S400 will give leverage to Russia.

Kicking out Turkey from NATO is a possibility but here, it is the Turkey which must withdraw itself.

PS- Co production with Russia is just a joke. Russia doesn't agree to sell state of the art technology. AK47, MRBL, small arms, parts of vehicles etc may be produced with turkey. But, a complex radar like this S400 can't be.
Are you a military or geo political analist?
Why did Greece buy the S-300?
There is no kicking out any country from NATO,dont come with such dumb scenarios,dumbazz.
 
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NATO nations can't buy equipment from an enemy nation like Russia. THAD from USA can be bought by Turkey. Using S400 will give leverage to Russia.

Kicking out Turkey from NATO is a possibility but here, it is the Turkey which must withdraw itself.

PS- Co production with Russia is just a joke. Russia doesn't agree to sell state of the art technology. AK47, MRBL, small arms, parts of vehicles etc may be produced with turkey. But, a complex radar like this S400 can't be.

Once a country has the technical know-how to develop certain things, the big players become lenient on what they share - just so they still have a hand in the cookie jar.
Expect NATO countries to become less arrogant and more respectful towards Turkey in coming years..
 
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Once a country has the technical know-how to develop certain things, the big players become lenient on what they share - just so they still have a hand in the cookie jar.
Expect NATO countries to become less arrogant and more respectful towards Turkey in coming years..

Yes !

Very precisely (Officially), from today and tomorrow.


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Turkey to develop anti-missile system with France and Italy

By SERKAN DEMİRTAŞ
November 03 2017


The executive committee of the Undersecreteriat for Defense Industries has agreed to give a green light on 22 different procurement projects, worth a total of $5 billion, Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım said on Nov. 3.

These 22 projects include purchase and co-production of long range anti-ballistic missile systems, developing electronic warfare systems, a tank modernization program, and modernization and mass production of combat choppers and drones.

The most eye-catching, expensive and difficult of these projects is obtaining an anti-ballistic missile system. With Turkey surrounded by countries that have already acquired middle- to long-range missile systems, it could be said that it is a relative latecomer to the table.

NATO’s massive anti-ballistic missile system does not cover the whole of Turkey, leaving it vulnerable to middle-range missiles launched from Middle Eastern countries. Turkey’s negotiations with the U.S. over the purchase of Patriot Pac-3 systems remained futile in the late 2000s because of costs and disagreements over technology transfers.

As the Syrian civil war escalated into a regional crisis, Turkey demanded that NATO provide an anti-ballistic missile defense system in late 2012. Spanish and Italian Patriot batteries are currently stationed in the southern provinces of Adana, Kahramanmaraş and Gaziantep.

In 2013 Turkey renewed its endeavor to acquire similar defense systems and a new tender was awarded to a Chinese defense company banned by U.S. sanctions. After an outcry in the U.S. and other NATO countries, Turkey annulled the $3.4-billion tender, deciding to focus instead on developing its own defense system with domestic resources.

At the moment two different projects are on the table. The first is Turkey’s attempt to purchase S-400 long-range anti-ballistic missile systems from Russia and the second is co-production of a similar system with Eurosam, a French-Italian consortium.

Regarding the S-400s, both sides have confirmed that Turkey has made a down payment for the $2 billion systems. However, despite statements from Turkish officials, no Russian official has confirmed a technology transfer to Turkey, a move that could enable joint production of similar systems in the future.

International observers note that Russia refuses to share technology with countries that purchase S-400s and is unlikely to make an exception for NATO-member Turkey. In addition to the batteries, Turkey also needs to purchase a separate radar system, since S-400s do not work with NATO radars.

Many NATO countries, as well as Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, have recently ceased to criticize Turkey’s plans to buy S-400s. Instead they underline a nation’s ability to choose for themselves which system to obtain.

While talks were underway with Russia, Ankara made an initial deal with the French-Italian consortium on July 14, 2017 to develop Turkey’s national defense systems. It was agreed that both sides would sign an agreement next week for an 18-month long study to determine the needs and priorities for the potential joint production of an anti-ballistic missile system.

The defense ministers of Turkey, France and Italy are expected to hold a three-way meeting on the sidelines of a NATO ministerial summit in Brussels on Nov. 8 and 9 to specifically discuss the agreement. It is noteworthy that the meeting will take place under the NATO umbrella at a moment when the Turkish government has been heavily criticized for distancing itself from the alliance.

In line with the results of the 18-month-long study, works for the development of Turkey’s national anti-ballistic missile system are due to be launched in 2019. This prompts an obvious question: Why is Turkey still purchasing an expensive defense system from Russia after agreeing to develop its own system with the cooperation of NATO allies France and Italy?


Hurriyet Daily News


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Oh ! What a surprise !


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Raytheon clinches another European Patriot deal, beats out Eurosam

By: Jen Judson
19 hours ago (November 8, 2017)

WASHINGTON —
Sweden has chosen the Raytheon-manufactured Patriot for its new air and missile defense system following a competition that pitted it against French consortium Eurosam’s SAMP/T.

The Swedish government has greenlighted the country’s defense materiel administration — FMV — to proceed with negotiations to buy Patriot. Sweden will send a letter of request for a letter of offer and acceptance to the U.S. government to initiate the process, according to Nov. 7 announcement posted to the FMV’s website.

The contract is estimated to be valued at roughly 10 billion krona (U.S. $1.2 billion).

The coming purchase marks another victory for Raytheon in terms of European sales of the system. Romania recently announced it would also buy the system, and the U.S. cleared the sale.

“Sweden’s announcement brings them closer to joining the growing group of European nations depending on the combat-proven Patriot to defend against ballistic and cruise missiles, and advanced aircraft and drones. Raytheon will work closely with the U.S. and Swedish governments to provide Sweden with integrated air and missile defense capability,” the company said in a Nov. 7 statement.

Raytheon has 12 international Patriot customers. Romania would ratchet that number up to 13.

This is not the first time Patriot and SAMP/T have been pitted against one another in a European missile defense competition. They both participated in Poland’s Wisla competition. Poland is on a path to select Patriot after many years of debate on whether the selection meets the country’s requirements.

The Swedish air and missile defense competition experienced a small delay past an expected award timeline as the defense budget was debated within the Swedish government.

But as the Swedish government debated its overall funding, an entire Patriot battery and SAMP/T were both involved in Sweden’s three-week military exercise, Aurora 17, in September. It was the largest military exercise in more than 20 years in the country, with more than 1,000 U.S. soldiers involved.

Patriot’s presence at exercises like Aurora has piqued the interest of countries that previously believed the system was not affordable.

“You are really seeing an interest, and countries have a newer perspective on pricing. I think for a long time some of these countries thought they couldn’t afford Patriot,” but the wide variety of customers globally has driven down the cost, according to Michael Tronolone, the director of Europe and NATO international business for Raytheon’s Integrated Defense Systems division, who spoke to Defense News at a London defense conference in September.

“The Swedish decision to procure Patriot is a big deal,” said Magnus Nordenman, a regional analyst with the Atlantic Council. “Once fielded it will help close a key gap in Swedish capabilities, since Sweden hasn’t invested in air defense for over three decades. It is also a real investment in deepening the U.S.-Swedish defense relationship, which is incredibly important for the government in Stockholm.”

Defense News Pentagon reporter Aaron Mehta contributed to this report.

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NATO nations can't buy equipment from an enemy nation like Russia. THAD from USA can be bought by Turkey. Using S400 will give leverage to Russia.

Kicking out Turkey from NATO is a possibility but here, it is the Turkey which must withdraw itself.

PS- Co production with Russia is just a joke. Russia doesn't agree to sell state of the art technology. AK47, MRBL, small arms, parts of vehicles etc may be produced with turkey. But, a complex radar like this S400 can't be.

LOL. This guy cracks me up. :sarcastic:
 
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You have more power than me, sir!



Yes, NATO is a defense alliance, but a defense against what and whom?
Against Russia but did nato came to help Turkey when they shot down the Russian air craft no but instead said deal with your own problems between both of u countries and why nato now trying to dictate turkey will you shed some light on this
 
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Seems like it is ok for Saudia to buy Patriot / Thuud / S-400 but not ok for Turkey to get what it needs
 
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Against Russia but did nato came to help Turkey when they shot down the Russian air craft no but instead said deal with your own problems between both of u countries and why nato now trying to dictate turkey will you shed some light on this

If Turkey asks for NATO protection, it will readily do so. Patriot missile systems have been deployed in Turkey in 2012-2013 to defend possible attacks by Syria.

Seems like it is ok for Saudia to buy Patriot / Thuud / S-400 but not ok for Turkey to get what it needs

Didn't know KSA was part of NATO.
 
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Yes !

Very precisely (Officially), from today and tomorrow.


Quote :

Turkey to develop anti-missile system with France and Italy

By SERKAN DEMİRTAŞ
November 03 2017


The executive committee of the Undersecreteriat for Defense Industries has agreed to give a green light on 22 different procurement projects, worth a total of $5 billion, Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım said on Nov. 3.

These 22 projects include purchase and co-production of long range anti-ballistic missile systems, developing electronic warfare systems, a tank modernization program, and modernization and mass production of combat choppers and drones.

The most eye-catching, expensive and difficult of these projects is obtaining an anti-ballistic missile system. With Turkey surrounded by countries that have already acquired middle- to long-range missile systems, it could be said that it is a relative latecomer to the table.

NATO’s massive anti-ballistic missile system does not cover the whole of Turkey, leaving it vulnerable to middle-range missiles launched from Middle Eastern countries. Turkey’s negotiations with the U.S. over the purchase of Patriot Pac-3 systems remained futile in the late 2000s because of costs and disagreements over technology transfers.

As the Syrian civil war escalated into a regional crisis, Turkey demanded that NATO provide an anti-ballistic missile defense system in late 2012. Spanish and Italian Patriot batteries are currently stationed in the southern provinces of Adana, Kahramanmaraş and Gaziantep.

In 2013 Turkey renewed its endeavor to acquire similar defense systems and a new tender was awarded to a Chinese defense company banned by U.S. sanctions. After an outcry in the U.S. and other NATO countries, Turkey annulled the $3.4-billion tender, deciding to focus instead on developing its own defense system with domestic resources.

At the moment two different projects are on the table. The first is Turkey’s attempt to purchase S-400 long-range anti-ballistic missile systems from Russia and the second is co-production of a similar system with Eurosam, a French-Italian consortium.

Regarding the S-400s, both sides have confirmed that Turkey has made a down payment for the $2 billion systems. However, despite statements from Turkish officials, no Russian official has confirmed a technology transfer to Turkey, a move that could enable joint production of similar systems in the future.

International observers note that Russia refuses to share technology with countries that purchase S-400s and is unlikely to make an exception for NATO-member Turkey. In addition to the batteries, Turkey also needs to purchase a separate radar system, since S-400s do not work with NATO radars.

Many NATO countries, as well as Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, have recently ceased to criticize Turkey’s plans to buy S-400s. Instead they underline a nation’s ability to choose for themselves which system to obtain.

While talks were underway with Russia, Ankara made an initial deal with the French-Italian consortium on July 14, 2017 to develop Turkey’s national defense systems. It was agreed that both sides would sign an agreement next week for an 18-month long study to determine the needs and priorities for the potential joint production of an anti-ballistic missile system.

The defense ministers of Turkey, France and Italy are expected to hold a three-way meeting on the sidelines of a NATO ministerial summit in Brussels on Nov. 8 and 9 to specifically discuss the agreement. It is noteworthy that the meeting will take place under the NATO umbrella at a moment when the Turkish government has been heavily criticized for distancing itself from the alliance.

In line with the results of the 18-month-long study, works for the development of Turkey’s national anti-ballistic missile system are due to be launched in 2019. This prompts an obvious question: Why is Turkey still purchasing an expensive defense system from Russia after agreeing to develop its own system with the cooperation of NATO allies France and Italy?


Hurriyet Daily News


...

Oh ! What a surprise !


Quote 2 :

Raytheon clinches another European Patriot deal, beats out Eurosam

By: Jen Judson
19 hours ago (November 8, 2017)

WASHINGTON —
Sweden has chosen the Raytheon-manufactured Patriot for its new air and missile defense system following a competition that pitted it against French consortium Eurosam’s SAMP/T.

The Swedish government has greenlighted the country’s defense materiel administration — FMV — to proceed with negotiations to buy Patriot. Sweden will send a letter of request for a letter of offer and acceptance to the U.S. government to initiate the process, according to Nov. 7 announcement posted to the FMV’s website.

The contract is estimated to be valued at roughly 10 billion krona (U.S. $1.2 billion).

The coming purchase marks another victory for Raytheon in terms of European sales of the system. Romania recently announced it would also buy the system, and the U.S. cleared the sale.

“Sweden’s announcement brings them closer to joining the growing group of European nations depending on the combat-proven Patriot to defend against ballistic and cruise missiles, and advanced aircraft and drones. Raytheon will work closely with the U.S. and Swedish governments to provide Sweden with integrated air and missile defense capability,” the company said in a Nov. 7 statement.

Raytheon has 12 international Patriot customers. Romania would ratchet that number up to 13.

This is not the first time Patriot and SAMP/T have been pitted against one another in a European missile defense competition. They both participated in Poland’s Wisla competition. Poland is on a path to select Patriot after many years of debate on whether the selection meets the country’s requirements.

The Swedish air and missile defense competition experienced a small delay past an expected award timeline as the defense budget was debated within the Swedish government.

But as the Swedish government debated its overall funding, an entire Patriot battery and SAMP/T were both involved in Sweden’s three-week military exercise, Aurora 17, in September. It was the largest military exercise in more than 20 years in the country, with more than 1,000 U.S. soldiers involved.

Patriot’s presence at exercises like Aurora has piqued the interest of countries that previously believed the system was not affordable.

“You are really seeing an interest, and countries have a newer perspective on pricing. I think for a long time some of these countries thought they couldn’t afford Patriot,” but the wide variety of customers globally has driven down the cost, according to Michael Tronolone, the director of Europe and NATO international business for Raytheon’s Integrated Defense Systems division, who spoke to Defense News at a London defense conference in September.

“The Swedish decision to procure Patriot is a big deal,” said Magnus Nordenman, a regional analyst with the Atlantic Council. “Once fielded it will help close a key gap in Swedish capabilities, since Sweden hasn’t invested in air defense for over three decades. It is also a real investment in deepening the U.S.-Swedish defense relationship, which is incredibly important for the government in Stockholm.”


News Pentagon reporter Aaron Mehta contributed to this report.


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As I said rightly, no one shares technology for such state of the art technology. Selling is possible but not ToT or source code and electronics.

Even with Eurosam, Turkey has very little to contribute. Without giving technology, no technology can be bought. Why would anyone codevelop with turkey is a big question. India has had great experience with these co developments which yielded with no results. Silly parts that involve low end technology were made in India while high end ones were developed elsewhere.

India and China managed to develop technology due to the large population pool and hence large talent pool.

There is no shortcut. Co development will only mean import dependency with nuts, bolts and other simple things manufactured within the partner country
 
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