Nato offers missile defence cooperation to India

[brational]

I think you hit the nail on the head

I am not taking it.. The most appropriate answer should be - India has made significant progress in Missile Defence. And the systems will be ready within 2 years time for inductions. US earlier offered PAC 3 and we rejected. We dont need any 4n tech for Missile Defence. Keep posting

 

[Dash]

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Indians should realise that there will be a price to pay for anything from US/Nato and that is joining an anti-Chinese Alliance.

India will do better to concentrate on building up their own system and not become a pawn of greater powers.

India is doing it....there is no second openion about it.

 

[Drawn_Sword_of_God]

what will russians say about this?

 

[SpArK]

what will russians say about this?

They usually say something in Russian, we might need google translate to understand it.

 

[lem34]

I think you hit the nail on the head

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[DV RULES]

This do not have any relation with the topic. It is all about cooperation in missile defence which is common threat faced by NATO/US/India.

Ok please elaborate what kind of common threat you are facing? I mean what is common?

 

[lem34]

Ok please elaborate what kind of common threat you are facing? I mean what is common?

Good point they gone a bit quite now lol

 

[sancho]

Ok please elaborate what kind of common threat you are facing? I mean what is common?

- China as a rising superpower with nuclear missiles that can reach nearly any country
- Iran and N. Korea which have, or are close to have nuclear weapons and are lead by dictators which openly stated they hatred against the west
- Pakistani nukes in the hands of terrorists

Some of this might not be a current problem for Russia, or India, but could be in future and that's why the US/NATO wants to increase their power by bounding Russia and India to them.
This has more political meaning, than techinical, because Russia and India can develop own missile systems too. But as I said in an other thread recently, the cold war is over and today Russia and India are prefered partners of the west and not threats anymore. The political pressure the NATO can put on Iran, N. Korea, or even Pakistan and China is way stronger, when they have stronger relations to Russia and India.

Wrt Pakistan, one have to look at the current situation now! The war in Afghanistan is going to end soon and the NATO forces will bring back their troops. That automatically means, they don't need Pakistan anymore for the logistical support of their troops. What's left is Pakistans importance in fighting terrorists inside of Pakistan itself, but since the raid on Bin Laden and the possible involvement of Pakistani officials in hiding him, this is getting less important as well.

On the other side, the US pushed India through the nuclear agreement and even pressured some of their NATO allies to get it through. Countries like Japan, Canada, Australia who opposed to sell us nuclear material/techs even for civil use, now are happy to do it, obviously with US backing it. President Obama stated that India could become a permanent UNC member during his visit in India, which the US not even stated about their close allies like Germany, or Japan before. Not to mention that nearly all US weapon systems are on available for India today!

As you can see, the US foreign politic strategy towards Pakistan and India is completelly changing, because their interests is changing as well! It was in their interest to support Pakistan in the past, while it is now more important to support India and that even on a way higher level. This offer to join the missile shield is just the next step and from Pakistans point of view this change obviously is a big problem, while I would say that India should learn from your experience and should be careful and remain indipendent as much as possible. The price we pay is not getting China against us, that's something they did on their own, but to be too dependent on US policies, which is obviously also the reason why Russia will not join them so easily.

 

[brational]

Sancho buddy rocks!
Better not to dig the problems.. We have problems for 64 years, everyone knows it. But what in the earth has pushed us to create more problems? 48, 62, 65, 71, 99 dont know where it will stop. Surprisingly we sufferd more than any one, otherwise So called superpowers wud have gone into nutshells. India is a cursed nation where all its neighbours are puppets or under 4N rule. Pakistan - Failed State, Bangladesh - Confused Nation without any vision, SL - Struggling with Internal settlements, China - Bully, to prove I'm stronger but internally the weakest among all, Nepal - Every saturday the Govt Changes, AFGN - Raped by Russia, now US, donno who is next. Myanmar - Isolated frm the whole world. Most of our neighbours are under Dictatorship. But people keep on blaming India for everything. So better to live with it and u guys live with your fate. War with India can be a option to keep your citizens convinced but this will not solve your/our problems. India will grow @ 8% if everything remains same and 16% if u want to grow with us. So stop bashing.

 

[Kinetic]

Well written sancho.

Ok please elaborate what kind of common threat you are facing? I mean what is common?

The answer is in the news itself..... most importantly the last line.

"You (India) have a missile threat that confronts you. We (Nato) have a missile threat that confronts us. Our need to defend against these missile threats might be the same," a senior Nato official told a group of Indian journalists on a visit to the group's headquarters here.

The official noted that the threats that India and Nato faced may come from different directions and Nato doesn't necessarily see the threats that India sees.

"Because your strategic situation is different from ours. But the technology of discovering and intercepting missiles is the same," he said.

Good point they gone a bit quite now lol

Really? When did you quoted my post? when did I declared that I will be online 24x7? Do people have other works?

 

[ben10]

from which country Europe have tread iran or Russia
i think Russian can't fire any missile to Europe due to high reaction and Russian are now the partner of Europeans in many fields even defense cooperation
Chinese will fire missiles on japan and on s-Korea not on Europe to hit the targets
NATO just facing financial problems these days thats why they are now finding foooooooooooooooooooooooooools

LIKE USA already Find, in the name of WOT.

 

[DV RULES]

- China as a rising superpower with nuclear missiles that can reach nearly any country
- Iran and N. Korea which have, or are close to have nuclear weapons and are lead by dictators which openly stated they hatred against the west
- Pakistani nukes in the hands of terrorists

Some of this might not be a current problem for Russia, or India, but could be in future and that's why the US/NATO wants to increase their power by bounding Russia and India to them.
This has more political meaning, than techinical, because Russia and India can develop own missile systems too. But as I said in an other thread recently, the cold war is over and today Russia and India are prefered partners of the west and not threats anymore. The political pressure the NATO can put on Iran, N. Korea, or even Pakistan and China is way stronger, when they have stronger relations to Russia and India.

Wrt Pakistan, one have to look at the current situation now! The war in Afghanistan is going to end soon and the NATO forces will bring back their troops. That automatically means, they don't need Pakistan anymore for the logistical support of their troops. What's left is Pakistans importance in fighting terrorists inside of Pakistan itself, but since the raid on Bin Laden and the possible involvement of Pakistani officials in hiding him, this is getting less important as well.

On the other side, the US pushed India through the nuclear agreement and even pressured some of their NATO allies to get it through. Countries like Japan, Canada, Australia who opposed to sell us nuclear material/techs even for civil use, now are happy to do it, obviously with US backing it. President Obama stated that India could become a permanent UNC member during his visit in India, which the US not even stated about their close allies like Germany, or Japan before. Not to mention that nearly all US weapon systems are on available for India today!

As you can see, the US foreign politic strategy towards Pakistan and India is completelly changing, because their interests is changing as well! It was in their interest to support Pakistan in the past, while it is now more important to support India and that even on a way higher level. This offer to join the missile shield is just the next step and from Pakistans point of view this change obviously is a big problem, while I would say that India should learn from your experience and should be careful and remain indipendent as much as possible. The price we pay is not getting China against us, that's something they did on their own, but to be too dependent on US policies, which is obviously also the reason why Russia will not join them so easily.

Stupid reply

I asked you what common threats are, and you started usual & unnecessary explanations.

China is raising power, ok so when China threaten NATO by its military development?
Iran can be sign of any future threat and Iran didn’t impose any direct threat to India but what about NK? NK didn't has missiles which could attack EU but it may worry US alone.
Most idiotic reply over Pakistan, you have nothing to say but bashing & nonsense comments. Pakistan's missile program not for EU OR US but for India so you haven't any common threat so what the hell you people with blind eyes repeating that YES, YES YES GET IT. Have you any idea what you are talking?

It was Russia which openly warned & threatens Ukraine and Latvia over their participation in missile defense shield and in case they will go then Russia will not hesitate to attack with atomic bombs. Polish 95 victims were price of sharing missile defense shield, Russia still want guaranty from NATO & US that this missile defense shield or missile installations will not impose threat for the security of Russia but this written guaranty continuously is denied. Another main conflict over missile shield system where Russia wants joint system but NATO offers two different systems so it is clear why they don't want joint system. You need study over this topic before making any statement.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/114464-russia-nato-cis.html

Pakistan & Afghanistan has nothing to do here because concern is missile defense shield, if NATO or US offered India to help in development or purchasing Missile defense then it makes sense but being a part of NATO defense shield, totally different scenario.

Give you example which will calm down your love for Russia, India wanted to operate Ayni airbase in Tajikistan but Tajikistan refused to hand over it because of Russian pressure and now Russia comes to operate it alone and agreement already signed and deal is approved in recent visit of Russian president to Tajikistan.

Now return to topic, This move to offer missile defense shield is not simple but it will effect regional security and may be it will change all geopolitical and strategic situation, main hit will face SCO, US/NATO want deactivate its increasing influence. India can lose Russian support, India can face more problems from Chinese side and it can lose support of other countries including Iran with India planned many projects. Pakistan also non NATO member but ally so if India will accept this offer then India will face more conflicts with Pakistan and more over WOT also could be effected, it’s important to note that Pakistan is main player of WOT in Afghanistan so it will direct effect on US/NATO relations with Pakistan.

Main purpose to offer missile defense shield is to cover Russia indirectly and your BOSS (Russia) AWARE FROM IT.

This will be most cheap decision by Indian government if they will accept this offer.

 

[DV RULES]

Well written sancho.





The answer is in the news itself..... most importantly the last line.

"You (India) have a missile threat that confronts you. We (Nato) have a missile threat that confronts us. Our need to defend against these missile threats might be the same," a senior Nato official told a group of Indian journalists on a visit to the group's headquarters here.

The official noted that the threats that India and Nato faced may come from different directions and Nato doesn't necessarily see the threats that India sees.

Bold part: You are senior member so please think thoroughly before making any statement. This all is nothing but BS (i haven’t other word suitable for this crap you wrote). Read my Post No 57.

 

[Kinetic]

Bold part: You are senior member so please think thoroughly before making any statement. This all is nothing but BS (i haven’t other word suitable for this crap you wrote). Read my Post No 57.

You just declared the best post of the thread as 'stupid reply' started the crap from that point. do not read anything selectively. you just removed the last and the most important line that i quoted from the news...

"Because your strategic situation is different from ours. But the technology of discovering and intercepting missiles is the same," he said.



Read it thoroughly and try to understand before writing thoroughly.

 

[DV RULES]

You just declared the best post of the thread as 'stupid reply' started the crap from that point. do not read anything selectively. you just removed the last and the most important line that i quoted from the news...

"Because your strategic situation is different from ours. But the technology of discovering and intercepting missiles is the same," he said.



Read it thoroughly and try to understand before writing thoroughly.

I did it, strategic situation is different but their concerns will be same, unchangeable.

That was really stupid reply i have seen in thread. Writer even can't give answer of simple question having no idea what is the topic. I suggest you read once again i wrote.