Nato offers missile defence cooperation to India

[Bl[i]tZ]

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I asked you what common threats are, and you started usual & unnecessary explanations.

China is raising power, ok so when China threaten NATO by its military development?

Its called hedging (read not containment). Nobody is sure how China would deal with the rest of the world in the coming future. Is it going to be a more assertive China looking for a Unipolar Asia or would it be a China content with a multi polar Asia (with China being the most important power)? Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Australia and US are partners in this sphere of influence and they are looking to expand there partnership.

Most idiotic reply over Pakistan, you have nothing to say but bashing & nonsense comments. Pakistan's missile program not for EU OR US but for India so you haven't any common threat so what the hell you people with blind eyes repeating that YES, YES YES GET IT. Have you any idea what you are talking?

Its one thing to be patriotic and its other thing to think it through logically. Pakistan is a failing if not a failed state with almost the 5th biggest nuclear arsenal in the world. The whole world is looking with awe what happens if you implode. What if some of your serviceman in the strategic command sympathize with terrorists? I know you don't feel it that way but if you try to put all the things together and connect the dots - you'll be forced to realize that Pakistan is every country's nightmare. Here is another article putting all the things together - The Sydney Morning Herald: A monster roaming the world I'd expect such articles from American or European press but I'm surprised that even Australians are writing about it.

Give you example which will calm down your love for Russia, India wanted to operate Ayni airbase in Tajikistan but Tajikistan refused to hand over it because of Russian pressure and now Russia comes to operate it alone and agreement already signed and deal is approved in recent visit of Russian president to Tajikistan.

Tajikistan is heavily dependent on remittances from Russia and reportedly Russia threatened them with restrictions on workers if they let India operate from there. They do share a very very strong bond and Russia has a lot of influence. There are only a few countries which allow foreign bases on its soil. There has been no decision on the base the and decision will be taken next year after a meeting of all these three players. Here is the link - Tajik airbase status could be decided next year: Report

Now return to topic, This move to offer missile defense shield is not simple but it will effect regional security and may be it will change all geopolitical and strategic situation, main hit will face SCO,

SCO is not a military bloc and won't be in the foreseeable future.

India can lose Russian support, India can face more problems from Chinese side and it can lose support of other countries including Iran with India planned many projects.

It can be one of the sour points of our relation with Russia as they might see us totally tilting towards west but I think we could talk it through. Yes our elations with China could deteriorate.

Pakistan also non NATO member but ally so if India will accept this offer then India will face more conflicts with Pakistan and more over WOT also could be effected, it’s important to note that Pakistan is main player of WOT in Afghanistan so it will direct effect on US/NATO relations with Pakistan.

I don't think you read sancho's reply carefully. The supply routes are probably required till 2014 after which US will have fewer troops in Afghanistan. The only thing they would need Pakistan to do is to fight terror at home - inside Pakistan. To which also, sancho highlights and says the raid to kill Osama and the killing of the no.2 by drone strike suggests that this too is getting less important as well.

This will be most cheap decision by Indian government if they will accept this offer.

Given your country's history, I wouldn't take the liberty to call India's decision cheap. We may very well reject all this.

 

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Stupid reply

I asked you what common threats are, and you started usual & unnecessary explanations.

China is raising power, ok so when China threaten NATO by its military development?
Iran can be sign of any future threat and Iran didn’t impose any direct threat to India but what about NK? NK didn't has missiles which could attack EU but it may worry US alone.
Most idiotic reply over Pakistan, you have nothing to say but bashing & nonsense comments. Pakistan's missile program not for EU OR US but for India so you haven't any common threat so what the hell you people with blind eyes repeating that YES, YES YES GET IT. Have you any idea what you are talking?

It was Russia which openly warned & threatens Ukraine and Latvia over their participation in missile defense shield and in case they will go then Russia will not hesitate to attack with atomic bombs. Polish 95 victims were price of sharing missile defense shield, Russia still want guaranty from NATO & US that this missile defense shield or missile installations will not impose threat for the security of Russia but this written guaranty continuously is denied. Another main conflict over missile shield system where Russia wants joint system but NATO offers two different systems so it is clear why they don't want joint system. You need study over this topic before making any statement.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/114464-russia-nato-cis.html

Pakistan & Afghanistan has nothing to do here because concern is missile defense shield, if NATO or US offered India to help in development or purchasing Missile defense then it makes sense but being a part of NATO defense shield, totally different scenario.

Give you example which will calm down your love for Russia, India wanted to operate Ayni airbase in Tajikistan but Tajikistan refused to hand over it because of Russian pressure and now Russia comes to operate it alone and agreement already signed and deal is approved in recent visit of Russian president to Tajikistan.

Now return to topic, This move to offer missile defense shield is not simple but it will effect regional security and may be it will change all geopolitical and strategic situation, main hit will face SCO, US/NATO want deactivate its increasing influence. India can lose Russian support, India can face more problems from Chinese side and it can lose support of other countries including Iran with India planned many projects. Pakistan also non NATO member but ally so if India will accept this offer then India will face more conflicts with Pakistan and more over WOT also could be effected, it’s important to note that Pakistan is main player of WOT in Afghanistan so it will direct effect on US/NATO relations with Pakistan.

Main purpose to offer missile defense shield is to cover Russia indirectly and your BOSS (Russia) AWARE FROM IT.

This will be most cheap decision by Indian government if they will accept this offer.

Geographical and political condition change very soon,no one can predict what will happen in future,Russia who was the biggest enemy of NATO is now a strategic partner of their in terms of missile defense,relation's with India also changed in the mean time.

Sancho was only trying to explain the fact.

About the regional security u r claiming,our's is already in disarray thanks to two nuclear rivals on our each side(we are the only nation facing such condition)and one with a first use policy.

At this stage we dont feel guilty for initiating an arms race,since the disparity between India and Pakistan is huge(even though our GDP share allocated to defense is low)and we will not be the one who get consumed.

In respect to China the same disparity prevails(their spending being more than double)this is a classic opportunity for us to acquire tech. that China cannot develop as of now even with the comparative low budget.This is nothing but a win win situation for us.

About the bolded part its only explaining ur frustration.

 

[sancho]

I asked you what common threats

And I gave you the answers, only because you don't like them, doesn't make them untrue!

China is a direct threat to the US (a NATO member), to S. Korea as well as Japan (NATO partners, with many US troops in their countries), not to forget that they fought wars with Russia and India in the past. So the Chinese nuclear arsenal is indeed a common threat, but as I said the offer is mainly political than defence related. It's about getting closer relation to Russia and India as key partners in many political fields (common moves against Iran, N.Korea, Syria...) and their help will not be free, especially not free from restrictions and dependence.

The security of Pakistans nuclear arsenal is a common issue as well, with many top terrorist and terror groups hiding even next to, or attacking Pakistani military bases:

WikiLeaks cables expose Pakistan nuclear fears

US and UK diplomats warn of terrorists getting hold of fissile material and of Pakistan-India nuclear exchange...


...Mariot Leslie, a senior British Foreign Office official, told US diplomats in September 2009: "The UK has deep concerns about the safety and security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons," according to one cable classified "secret/noforn [no foreign nationals]".

Seven months earlier the US ambassador to Islamabad, Anne Patterson, cabled to Washington: "Our major concern is not having an Islamic militant steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in government of Pakistan facilities could gradually smuggle enough material out to eventually make a weapon."

WikiLeaks cables expose Pakistan nuclear fears | World news | The Guardian


No matter if the NATO countries, Russia, or India, they all fight against terror groups and if any of them gets their hands on Pakistans nuces, or materials, any kind of attack is possible and that's why the concerns about Pakistan are higher today that the importance of Pakistan in the WOT. Which again, as I explained has been on a low point when the relations of Pakistani officials to Bin Laden were spread in the western media.

It’s important to note that Pakistan is main player of WOT in Afghanistan so it will direct effect on US/NATO relations with Pakistan.

True, that will have an effect on the Pakistani relations to them, but don't concerns us, because we don't asked for it, they offered it to us!
It is way easier for us to develop a credible missile defence with Russia, or Israel, without making so much noise about it and still remain in good relations to the NATO countries, but times are changing, just like Indias importance in the world is and this offer is just another sign of that.