NATO copter downed; Navy SEALs among the 30 U.S. dead

[Bratva]

Helicopter Crash in Afghanistan Reportedly Kills Members of SEAL Team 6 - FoxNews.com

The ones who died in the crash were from SEAL Team 6 , the same one involved in the Bin Laden raid
Could this be a CIA-hit to cover up for whatever did or did not happen that night?! This angle needs to be scrutinized

The ghost of bin ladin turned the RPG in to the guided missile

 

[Mosamania]

The ghost of bin ladin turned the RPG in to the guided missile

Lol i get the joke but this is not the time to be joking especially about people dying.

 

[Oldman1]

The ghost of bin ladin turned the RPG in to the guided missile

That be like saying the ghosts of the Pentagon, Twin Towers and the planes got Bin Laden.

 

[Meengla]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/world/asia/07afghanistan.html?pagewanted=2&hp

Within a few days of the transition, the Taliban raised their flag near the outpost, said a NATO military official familiar with the situation. Afghan security forces remained in the area but were no match for the Taliban, the official said.

...“They do not like having military in that area — no matter whether they are Taliban or foreigners,” said Hajji Mohammad Hazrat Janan, the chairman of the Wardak provincial council. “When an operation takes place in their village,” he said, “their sleep gets disrupted by the noise of helicopters and by their military operation. And also they don’t like the Taliban, because when they attack, then they go and seek cover in their village, and they are threatened by the Taliban.”

However, when local residents are hurt by the NATO soldiers, then, he said, they are willing to help the insurgents.

So..Americans clear up an area and hand over to the Afghans. Supposedly, the non-Pashtun elements dominate the political and security forces in Afghanistan--and that in a country where the largest single ethnic group of Pashtuns. But these Afghan security forces are so incompetent and/or coward that they can't hold the ground for more than a few days/weeks?

Looks to me like this is a guerrilla war. Blame Pakistan all you want--and already people at Huffington Post are doing that. But where is the accountability for the political mis-calculation by Americans in Afghanistan? Where is the accountability for the millions of $$ spent on 'training' these Afghans, only to see them surrender and/or betray.

Pakistanis are not the only one who do the blame game and are in 'denial'.

 

[Ahmad]

Nothing like this. The threat to Pakistan is only restricted to FATA & KP. Taliban is pretty much in control of all of Afghanistan, besides Kabul.

how about high profile attacks on army HQs, intelligtence HQs, and the one which destroyed a few fighter planes?

 

[Ahmad]

every thing was started from your side from very 1st day afghan govt tried her best to destabilize PAKISTAN, ..........................
you need to read history.......

i know about it and i know what you mean. it was all about pashtunistan issue, since Pakistan and pakisani friends consider to be protective of pashtuns and beating the drums in favour of pashtuns, they need to bear that demand of pashtuns as well, as that issue havent had anything to do with non pashtuyns of afghanistan and it was only done and decided by the pashtun gov of afghanistan.

 

[Sargodhian_Eagle]

That be like saying the ghosts of the Pentagon, Twin Towers and the planes got Bin Laden.

Ghost of ISI is more dangrouse one, so i think it haunted the SEALS.

 

[rollindays]

The fact of the matter is that the Taliban has been in power in Afghanistan, it has strongholds all over the country, they are strictly based in Afghanistan. There is fighting going on between the Taliban & Pakistan as well on the border areas, because Pakistan allows drone strikes in the region & its complicity with the US Forces, but once the US & NATO Forces leave Afghanistan; the Taliban will start concentrating solely on Afghanistan again. While the Afghans are brutal, they do not have a global agenda of spreading their ideology in the region, they are very localized groups, & they want to maintain control & influence in only those areas that they feel they belong to. That is a fact, & that has been mentioned by many senior Taliban leaders. The Taliban is a strictly Afghan movement cloaked in its Pashtun identity, it is much more of an ethnic movement than it is an ideological one. It's unfortunate that Afghans want to live in denial, & don't want to face the reality, that the current government does not have any legitimacy, & besides Kabul, the Taliban have influence all over Afghanistan.

 

[Ahmad]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/07/world/asia/07afghanistan.html?pagewanted=2&hp


So..Americans clear up an area and hand over to the Afghans. Supposedly, the non-Pashtun elements dominate the political and security forces in Afghanistan--and that in a country where the largest single ethnic group of Pashtuns. But these Afghan security forces are so incompetent and/or coward that they can't hold the ground for more than a few days/weeks?

Looks to me like this is a guerrilla war. Blame Pakistan all you want--and already people at Huffington Post are doing that. But where is the accountability for the political mis-calculation by Americans in Afghanistan? Where is the accountability for the millions of $$ spent on 'training' these Afghans, only to see them surrender and/or betray.

Pakistanis are not the only one who do the blame game and are in 'denial'.

pashtuns have more power and personell in any establishement of Afghanistan compare to the non pashtuns. you shouldnt be unhappy if the non pashtuns get their rightful rights in afghansitan, at least you people will have a peace of mind from their side(non pashtuns) because they dont claim on pakistani territory.

 

[razgriz19]

38 soldiers died...
RIP

 

[S10]

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — A military helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, along with seven Afghan commandos. It was the deadliest single incident for American forces in the decade-long war.
The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday. It said wreckage of the craft was strewn at the scene. A senior U.S. administration official in Washington said the craft was apparently shot down by insurgents. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the crash is still being investigated.

31 Americans, 7 Afghans killed in helicopter crash - Yahoo! News

Most of those that died are from the same unit from the Bin Laden raid in Pakistan. I guess Bin Laden decided to drag some down with him.

 

[Meengla]

pashtuns have more power and personell in any establishement of Afghanistan compare to the non pashtuns. you shouldnt be unhappy if the non pashtuns get their rightful rights in afghansitan, at least you people will have a peace of mind from their side(non pashtuns) because they dont claim on pakistani territory.

@Ahmad,
I am willing to be corrected. But I have read that Pashtuns really don't have real power despite Karzai being the President and that the Northern Alliance is essentially the real power and that the security forces are predominately non-Pashtuns. That was not some smart political move by the coalition forces.
BTW, you really can't accuse me personally of wanting the non-Pashtuns to not have power. I have stated that Pashtuns feel deprived after the Fall of the Talibans in 2001 and that's why I think this is essentially a civil war.

I hope you Afghans of all shades get your act together and become one nation. I know there are ethnic divisions in Pakistan too but, boy, even in your pre 1979 era you were an extremely tribal society with very little to show for and flirted with communism in a deeply religious, agrarian society. There is so much you can blame Pakistan. Sadly, your country has become a playground for different powers since late 70's and today it is the same. You have a govt. which really can't stand on its own despite almost 10 years of the mightiest military and economic powers propping you up. Why is that?

 

[ejaz007]

31 Americans, 7 Afghans killed in helicopter crash
By SOLOMON MOORE - Associated Press | AP – 1 hr 26 mins ago.

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — A military helicopter was shot down in eastern Afghanistan, killing 31 U.S. special operation troops, most of them from the elite Navy SEALs unit that killed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, along with seven Afghan commandos. It was the deadliest single incident for American forces in the decade-long war.

The Taliban claimed they downed the helicopter with rocket fire while it was taking part in a raid on a house where insurgents were gathered in the province of Wardak late Friday. It said wreckage of the craft was strewn at the scene. A senior U.S. administration official in Washington said the craft was apparently shot down by insurgents. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the crash is still being investigated.

NATO confirmed the overnight crash took place and that there "was enemy activity in the area." But it said it was still investigating the cause and conducting a recovery operation at the site. It did not release details or casualty figures.

"We are in the process of accessing the facts," said U.S. Air Force Capt. Justin Brockhoff, a NATO spokesman.

One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included more than 20 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden. They were being flown by acrew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because families are still being notified.


President Barack Obama mourned the deaths of the American troops, saying in a statement that the crash serves as a reminder of the "extraordinary sacrifices" being made by the U.S. military and its families. He said he also mourned "the Afghans who died alongside our troops."


The death toll would surpass the worst single day loss of life for the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan since the war began in 2001 — the June 28, 2005 downing of a military helicopter in eastern Kunar province. In that incident, 16 Navy SEALs and Army special operations troops were killed when their craft was shot down while on a mission to rescue four SEALs under attack by the Taliban. Three of the SEALs being rescued were also killed and the fourth wounded. It was the highest one-day death toll for the Navy Special Warfare personnel since World War II.

31 Americans, 7 Afghans killed in helicopter crash - Yahoo! News

 

[Devil Soul]

AP sources: Afghanistan copter Crash kills members of SEAL Team 6
AP | Aug 6, 2011
WASHINGTON: The Associated Press has learned that more than 20 Navy SEALs from the unit that killed Osama bin Laden were among those lost in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

US officials say they believe that none of those who died in the crash participated in the bin Laden raid but were from the same unit that carried out the bin Laden mission.

The operators from SEAL Team Six were flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment. That's according to one current and one former U.S. official. Both spoke on condition of anonymity because families are still being notified of the loss of their loved ones.

One source says the team was thought to include 22 SEALs, three Air Force air controllers, seven Afghan Army troops, a dog and his handler, and a civilian interpreter, plus the helicopter crew.

The sources thought this was the largest single loss of life ever for SEAL Team Six, known as the Naval Special Warfare Development Group.

 

[A1Kaid]

I pray for peace and stability in both Pakistan and aghanistan.
lives on every side should be saved............................

You should pray and/or work to become stronger and wiser men. That will help.