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@Ticker / @Razi, yaro... my apologies if I hurt anyones sentiments.... the thing is that, talk of any sect pisses me off.... I have studied most of them and have come to a realization that Quran itself is enough of a reference (coupled with history of that time - separation between Makki and Madni ayats) and correlation between ground realities at different times in history..

I am highly suspicious of sects and different hadith which have become a wedge in our religion... as I can not get my mind around anything that is not mentioned in the Book itself...

I am a nationalist and a capitalist, and can not stand "greater" political agendas within faith... Ticker you will get where I am going with this!

I'm a Nationalist too ! :smitten: But a socialist ! :angry:

Wait does that imply that you're a Pakistani before being a Pathan ! *bouncer maraa haii....ubbb koi phi gollli kareii gai :P*
 
The Kashmiris are nothing but a bunch of sissies who got done over by the Mughals, by the Afghans, by the Dogras & then finally by the Indians ! If they had any iota of practicality to them they would have diverted some of their artisans & craftsmen to the role of a militia.

Even right now many of them *on the other side* would rather see Kashmir independent then side with a country - nay a People - the Pakistanis who sacrificed greatly in 3 wars & numerous skirmishes with India, did enormous damage to our economy because of this perpetual 'state of affairs' & cried ourselves hoarse on every international forum ! And then what...when the moment of truth comes these ingrates talk about 'Independence' ! Haaan hunnn Pakistaniyon ne bohat kuch kiyaa ho gaa paaar hum aur aap eik nahin hain - thats what they're saying through these surveys & our relatives that I've interacted with from the other side of the border !

The sooner Pakistan realizes that you don't sacrifice for a bunch of 'vermin' is the day we'd finally move forward ! Let them get their own freedom - Hamareii sakkeii banteii nahin hain aur hum unkei baan raheii hain !

There was a time when people would talk about Kashmiris in the manner. However, they apparently have surprised themselves as well. Having lost tens of thousands of them and suffering planned rapes of their women and what not, I think they have emerged as an entity. However, every people have a pain threshold and need a bit of respite when this is close to a crossing point.

The thing that has started in IOK is not going to end till an achievement is reached at. This is my belief.
 
@Ticker / @Razi, yaro... my apologies if I hurt anyones sentiments.... the thing is that, talk of any sect pisses me off.... I have studied most of them and have come to a realization that Quran itself is enough of a reference (coupled with history of that time - separation between Makki and Madni ayats) and correlation between ground realities at different times in history..

I am highly suspicious of sects and different hadith which have become a wedge in our religion... as I can not get my mind around anything that is not mentioned in the Book itself...

I am a nationalist and a capitalist, and can not stand "greater" political agendas within faith... Ticker you will get where I am going with this!

I agree with you.

I'm a Nationalist too ! :smitten: But a socialist ! :angry:

Wait does that imply that you're a Pakistani before being a Pathan ! *bouncer maraa haii....ubbb koi phi gollli kareii gai :P*

ha ha ha .........
 
There was a time when people would talk about Kashmiris in the manner. However, they apparently have surprised themselves as well. Having lost tens of thousands of them and suffering planned rapes of their women and what not, I think they have emerged as an entity. However, every people have a pain threshold and need a bit of respite when this is close to a crossing point.

The thing that has started in IOK is not going to end till an achievement is reached at. This is my belief.

I know that too...I posted that seething with anger *as you can yourself tell* & to think that there was a time when I used to be an ethno-nationalist !

And so I've often clashed with many in my extended family because of my *what they called* unforgivable views about 'Our ancestral homeland or the people who inhabit it'. Thankfully my Dad never has given a wooden nickle about Kashmir barring the fact that he, like myself now, is addressed as Buttt Sahib & so I'm not chastised for my hard tongue when it comes to Kashmir.

But when all is said & done if they choose Independence over Pakistan despite all that Pakistanis *forget the Government...its fooked us over enough times...I'm sure it did the same to the Kashmiris a couple of times too* have done for them then I want nothing to do with those 'vermin'.

Sub seh pehle Pakistan, mai baap seh pehle Pakistan, zun farzand seh pehle Pakistan, mazhab seh pehle Pakistan, nasal seh pehle Pakistan - Subb seh pehle Pakistan. :pakistan:
 
Sorry man, I was typing out a reply for another thread. By the way, what exactly is "Phoneix"? :lol: The correct spelling is "Phoenix" or "p(-)0ENiX". :D

Sorry Typo thaa - Maar dei goolli mujhe ! :cry:

So introduce yourself my Aryan Warrior Princess ! :P

Where do you come from ? Where are you going ? What language do you speak ?
 
@Lavosh1 / @Yuba.... introduction please... by your handles, I presume you're both girls?
 
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