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[haviZsultan]

@haviZsultan : Make the saffron part a little smaller because the Green bit with that Om sign seems to come across as squeezed !

And I would have preferred a Saffron & White color instead more in line with the original Pakistani Flag scheme where white is traditionally thought of as being associated with the religious minorities ! *Assuming, of course, that we're talking about the Pakistan Hindu Sabha*

Perhaps the OM sign colored in Saffron or a Reddish Saffron with a white background !

Yeah actually I have a number of design concepts. The older flag maintains the white. I haven't posted it to my site yet so actually due to that I couldn't show the other concepts. I think this is the best and will be accepted. The saffron is actually a Hindu colour so thats the religious connotation. Green and Saffron together represents a state of harmony between the two. Saffron has been expanded for a reason.

As a statement of solidarity with Hindu community when they state their population as larger than it is counted in the census. In brand half the office was literally filled with people from minority communities. I believe it may be right but should be investigated by a neutral body. We cannot let an aanch come on them after suffering in India.

Btw did that om sign really looks squeezed because I felt the Pakistan Hindu Sabha was more squeezed than that. You are a bro armstrong. Can always get response and positive criticism or help from you. Deep thanks.

 

[KingMamba]

I am just telling that religion has NOTHING to do with Indian Flag.

About secularism, we don't care what you think. Just informing absence of religious symbol in Indian Flag.

Havi is making this flag because of a thread and trying to prove an idiotic point with more idiotic approach.

That is fine and all except it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

 

[Armstrong]

@haviZsultan @KingMamba93 @Armstrong.

So you can see, in India we take care of emotions of all religion and we try to adjust. This adaptability is the reason that I am proud of my nation.

We took offense that Person changed our Indian flag and painted a crescent to reflect Pakistan's symbol on India, a nation who killed our soldiers just recently. The emotions were high and any patriot will feel it insulting.

Crescent belongs to Islam, Om belongs to Hinduism BUT there is no place for religious symbols in our country's flag unlike yours.

You know as well as I that that is a huge pile of turd that you've been feeding yourselves & the Muslims of India since '47 !

 

[KRAIT]

How many Hindus are in Pakistan like in total?
Crescent does not belong to Islam, it was a symbol adopted by the Ottomans and misconstrued for an Islamic symbol. It really has no Islamic value and most Arab countries do not even have the crescent on their flags. Heck Singapore has a crescent star on their flag and they are not even all Muslims.

Technically, no, but in flag, it is taken for granted and people often take it as symbol of Islam.

Similarly, Indians also thinks in Indian Flag, Saffron reflects Hinduism, Green Reflects Islam, White reflects other minorities. Even they don't know about their flag.

Its like people ignored the truth and following an old misconception.

 

[KingMamba]

You know as well as I that that is a huge pile of turd that you've been feeding yourselves & the Muslims of India since '47 !

Does he honestly think we would fall for that, are we that naive?

 

[haviZsultan]

@haviZsultan You changed the color, one replaced by other from two colors in the flag.
@KingMamba93 and @Armstrong Here is your answer.

Also you changed the proportion. Saffron and green color ratio is different from white green in Pakistani flag..

The reason I qouted many Indians was... is there any bias to Hindus or is there any aspect of the flag that may remotely be offensive and is a must change.

Whereas in this case, neither the colors were changed, nor the ratio was changed, just the Ashok chakra was replaced by Crescent.

So no comparison. As for reasons behind the Ashok chakra, in the flag it used to be Gandhiji's Charkha, then it got replaced by Ashok Chakra.

If you want to know the difference, in Ashok Chakra there are 24 spokes. Gandhiji's Charkha used to be on flag got replaced by of Ashok Chakra.

Some basic information about Indian flag, meaning of it, significance of its components and its evolution.


Dimensions and Ratio of Indian Flag-

The Indian national flag is a horizontal tricolor in equal proportion of deep saffron on the top, white in the middle and dark green at the bottom. The ratio of the width to the length of the flag is 2:3. At the center of the white band, is a wheel in navy blue color that indicates the Dharma Chakra (the wheel of law). The wheel has 24 spokes.

Colors-

They don't signify religions. The religious angle was rejected log time ago.

The saffron color in the flag stands for courage, sacrifice and the spirit of renunciation; the white, for purity and truth; and the green for faith and fertility.

Chakra-

A navy blue color "Chakra" known as the Ashoka Chakra, which has twenty-four spokes is present in the middle of the white strip. According to the standard set down by ISI (Indian Standard Institution) it should occupy seventy five percent of the space of the white strip.


Chakra is called Dharma Chakra and it signifies Law.




Evolution-

In 1931

Some people were not at all happy with the communal interpretation of the flag. Keeping all this in view a new flag was designed which replaced the red with ochre. This color signified combined spirit of both the religions as saffron was the color of Hindu yogis as well as Muslim darvesh. But the Sikh community also demanded a separate representation in the flag or the complete abandonment of religious colors. This resulted in another flag by Pingali Venkayya. This new flag had three colors. Saffron was at the top followed by white in the middle and green being the lowermost. The 'Charkha' was at the center of white color. This flag was passed at the meeting of Congress Committee in 1931 and was adopted as the official flag of the Committee.

This shows what Secularism means in India. We reflected in our Flag too.

In 1947,

When India got independence, a committee headed by Rajinder Prasad was formed to discuss the National Flag of India and they decided to adopt the flag of Indian National Congress, with suitable modifications, as the flag of India. As a result, the flag of 1931 was adopted as Indian flag but 'Charkha' in the middle was replaced by 'Chakra' (wheel) and hence our National Flag came into being.

The National Flag is one of the most respectable national symbols. There are strict laws regarding its manufacturing and its hoisting.

So instead of wasting time on making an image, you should have invested in learning about history of Indian flag rather than giving such a weird and illogical argument.

For more information visit this website (if would you have Google the word- Indian Flag, it comes on first page.)

India Flag, History of Indian Flag

Thread for that is at another place. I thought you told me not to bring my debates here. I have been debating this for weeks. It gets boring. Post all of this here and I will reply. Just tag me.

There are vast theories about Indian flag.

 

[Armstrong]

Yeah actually I have a number of design concepts. The older flag maintains the white. I haven't posted it to my site yet so actually due to that I couldn't show the other concepts. I think this is the best and will be accepted. The saffron is actually a Hindu colour so thats the religious connotation. Green and Saffron together represents a state of harmony between the two. Saffron has been expanded for a reason.

As a statement of solidarity with Hindu community when they state their population as larger than it is counted in the census. In brand half the office was literally filled with people from minority communities. I believe it may be right but should be investigated by a neutral body. We cannot let an aanch come on them after suffering in India.

Btw did that om sign really looks squeezed because I felt the Pakistan Hindu Sabha was more squeezed than that. You are a bro armstrong. Can always get response and positive criticism or help from you. Deep thanks.

I think that the reason you're giving for the Saffron being greater in size maybe appreciable but it doesn't look all that asthetically sound to me !

The OM was alright if indeed a little bigger than I would have liked it.

I'd still prefer an all white flag with a saffron OM on it !

 

[KingMamba]

Well, I think you haven't read the article.

The significance of religion was removed at time of Independence. As for feeding Muslims, MA. Jinnah wanted democratic Pakistan where everyone has equal rights, to be part of government which is denied constitutionally, wanted equal treatment for Shias, Sunnis, Ahemadis (declared Non Muslim constitutionally).

So you see, its Pakistan that forgot the basic principles its founder envisioned.

Well when you post this to show off, its my duty to inform other people too about what disinformation you are spreading. There are no other theories, and if you have read those, well what I can say, you love fiction more than truth.

Do not get me started on qadianis, they brought everything upon themselves and now cry to the world.

 

[haviZsultan]

How many Hindus are in Pakistan like in total?

Close to 3 Million officially... not taking into consideration bias and discrimination and voting records not existing of some Hindus. Hindu groups however state total minorities make up about 25 million of the population. Hell, Christian Congress states 15 million Christians. So we don't know with different interest groups.

Crescent does not belong to Islam, it was a symbol adopted by the Ottomans and misconstrued for an Islamic symbol. It really has no Islamic value and most Arab countries do not even have the crescent on their flags. Heck Singapore has a crescent star on their flag and they are not even all Muslims.

He said he is in RSS... he won't understand these things.

@haviZsultan @KingMamba93 @Armstrong.

So you can see, in India we take care of emotions of all religion and we try to adjust. This adaptability is the reason that I am proud of my nation.

We took offense that Person changed our Indian flag and painted a crescent to reflect Pakistan's symbol on India, a nation who killed our soldiers just recently. The emotions were high and any patriot will feel it insulting.

Crescent belongs to Islam, Om belongs to Hinduism BUT there is no place for religious symbols in our country's flag unlike yours.

The chakra's are centers of prana in someones religion. There are differing interpretations of your flag. The religious lines are visible when green stands for muslims and saffron for hindus. I gave a source for this long ago in a discussion. I will do so gladly on the given thread. Here I want advice on what is wrong with the flag so I do not offend the community that receives it.

Well when you post this to show off, its my duty to inform other people too about what disinformation you are spreading. There are no other theories, and if you have read those, well what I can say, you love fiction more than truth.

You are hyper-ventilating @KRAIT. This is becoming very childish. You are blaming me for spreading disinformation for sharing a design idea. That is the behavior of a kid and I have no idea where this insecurity is coming from.

It was a simple post. I can share other designs too. This is the new version of my latest for these guys so I shared so that people can give insights not so that they can bash the poster for expressing sympathy for a religious minority. I thought you were better but you are acting like a typical RSS guy. We can debate this on the other thread.

 

[KRAIT]

Do not get me started on qadianis, they brought everything upon themselves and now cry to the world.

I m just saying, instead of calling us Hypocrites, look at hypocrisy within yourselves. I didn't say India is secular, its just on paper. My point is that in Indian Flag, there is no place for religion. Period.

Problem is whenever guys read Secularism and India together, people start bashing us.

 

[haviZsultan]

I think that the reason you're giving for the Saffron being greater in size maybe appreciable but it doesn't look all that asthetically sound to me !

The OM was alright if indeed a little bigger than I would have liked it.

I'd still prefer an all white flag with a saffron OM on it !

You are saying the Om looks too small? Is it okay if it touches the saffron? Meaning it is placed right in the middle instead of there? Also these are design aspects that can be changed. Just have to play with layers and move things here and there. Easy stuff.

 

[Armstrong]

Well, I think you haven't read the article.

The significance of religion was removed at time of Independence. As for feeding Muslims, MA. Jinnah wanted democratic Pakistan where everyone has equal rights, to be part of government which is denied constitutionally, wanted equal treatment for Shias, Sunnis, Ahemadis (declared Non Muslim constitutionally).

So you see, its Pakistan that forgot the basic principles its founder envisioned.

Everyone can be a part of the Government !

Its the Presidency & the Primeminstership where that bar exists & that too for a justifiable reason like any other 'bar' that exists in a plethora of other countries around the world.

As far as forgetting the basic principals that our founding father envisioned - Thats our problem & we'd deal with it in due time ! But do tell me how has Nehru's socialistic egalitarianism working out in India where more than thrice our population lives below the poverty line & millions die every year due to hunger alone ! Or how Gandhi's Non-Violence is working out for you in Kashmir & in a dozen areas across India where people are demanding their rights ! I'm sure Azad too would be happy with the choice he made seeing some of the comments that most of your 'educated' countrymen greet Muslims with; I wonder how it is with the rest of the country where 'education' is a cute word for most of the masses !

Don't tempt me right now to go on a tirade because I'm in a bad mood ! Just walk away.

 

[KingMamba]

I m just saying, instead of calling us Hypocrites, look at hypocrisy within yourselves. I didn't say India is secular, its just on paper. My point is that in Indian Flag, there is no place for religion. Period.

Problem is whenever guys read Secularism and India together, people start bashing us.

You are right but what I am saying is nobody is talking about secularism in Pakistan here. I just asked why he was making a Hindu flag and he answered for a political party, it has nothing to do with India at all.

 

[haviZsultan]

I m just saying, instead of calling us Hypocrites, look at hypocrisy within yourselves. I didn't say India is secular, its just on paper. My point is that in Indian Flag, there is no place for religion. Period.

Problem is whenever guys read Secularism and India together, people start bashing us.

I have seen no secularism in India. Policement stop us and frail women in abaya with me in front of hospitals and let families of women in saris pass. How can you decide for Muslims there is no bias there. I saw it with my own eyes. Our people moved in 2003-2004 too. You are acting like a typical denialist. This is very wrong krait.

 

[Armstrong]

You are saying the Om looks too small? Is it okay if it touches the saffron? Meaning it is placed right in the middle instead of there? Also these are design aspects that can be changed. Just have to play with layers and move things here and there. Easy stuff.

I dunno man I'm not buying it ! My heart remains set on an OM in the centre with a white background to it !