Muslims Recoil at a French Proposal to Change the Quran

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In Quran Allah Almighty says:

“We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption).” (15:9)

Who are this "we" ??

 

[fitpOsitive]

Now they have come to requests. But they are trying to do this since ages. They will never be successful, Allah said that centuries ago. But to save our Iman, we must keep an eye on their "efforts".

 

[untitled]

They have flags on their underwear too. Should not mistake habits with religiosity or nationalism.

Given a choice between a Muslim cause and Non Muslim one the will gladly side with the Christian. Can you imagine the King or Queen of any western country (the ones that still have them) be a Muslim?

 

[PurpleStone]

Given a choice between a Muslim cause and Non Muslim one the will gladly side with the Christian. Can you imagine the King or Queen of any western country (the ones that still have them) be a Muslim?

Don't confuse values with religion.

 

[ranjeet]

Another Charlie Hebdo in making?

 

[Desert Fox]

soon they Christians will launch another crusade this time publicly

May the God help righteous

Europe (& West in general) is atheistic/secular and not even Christian. They have banned Christianity from public places a long time ago.

 

[ranjeet]

Another Charlie Hebdo in making?

 

[Sheepistanis]

What you will never expect of Solomon Grundy to post here, a mighty strong rebuttal to the insidious propoganda he lives to spread around.

Anyone who says the Quran advocates terrorism obviously hasn't read its lessons on violence.
Only two groups in our society promote the “Quran teaches terrorism” myth: anti-Muslim pundits and Isis extremists. Both are wrong.

This simplistic conclusion ignores that many groups in many countries are experiencing terror right now. It ignores the international arms trade from powerful western nations that wholly disregards human rights and has caused the death of more than 60,000 in Yemen. And it ignores the fact that as Somalians suffer a massive famine Western media virtually ignores them – as it has ignored the Syrian crisis for the last several years

Yet with attacks in Egypt, London and Syria, critics default to blaming the Quran, citing its allegedly “violent” verses. We cannot resolve the Syrian, Yemeni and Somalia atrocities until we adhere to justice. Blaming the Quran for terrorism is not only demonstrably false, it wastes precious resources that could be spent on stopping war and famine.
Three critical facts demonstrate that nothing in the Quran permits terrorism. And while Islamophobes and Isis will both go on ignoring these three facts, the Quran, the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and Muslims worldwide continue to champion them.

Fact 1
The Quran requires that you read it in full. No “cafeteria Quran” here. As Quran 3:8 says, “We believe in it, the whole is from our Lord.” Isis and Islamophobes instead cherry pick. Quran 3:8 pre-emptively calls out people who cherry pick as “perverse” people, declaring, “…those in whose hearts is perversity seek discord and wrong interpretation of [the Quran].”
But don’t some verses of the Quran in fact say, “kill them where ye find them?”
Yes, hence we get to fact two.
Fact 2
Islam is a practical faith that permits self-defence in certain strict situations. When? Let the Quran explain.
First, the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and his companions patiently bore vehement persecution in Mecca for nearly 13 years. This included a three-year starvation boycott from which his wife Khadija later died. Muslims didn’t fight back.
Next, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) sent some companions to seek refuge in Abyssinia under a Christian King, and Muslims still didn’t fight back. Third, when the Prophet’s companions even asked to fight back, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) responded clearly, “I have not been given permission to fight.” And, finally, when the persecution became unbearable, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) and the Muslims simply left Mecca – still refusing to fight back.
These refugees trekked 240 miles through the desert to escape terrorism, finally arriving in the predominantly Jewish city of Medina. If Islam taught terrorism and enforced Sharia, this was the time to demonstrate this. Instead, Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) formed the Constitution of Medina with the Jews, establishing a unified secular state.
Yet the extremists trying to kill Muslims in Mecca pursued the Muslims to kill them in Medina. And now – finally – the Quran addressed fighting for the first time, permitting Muslims to fight in self-defence. The permission given in Quran 22:40-41 to fight was only given to “those against whom war is waged.” And fighting wasn’t just to defend Muslims from persecution – but to defend Christians, Jews, and people of all faiths. All subsequent verses addressing fighting are pre-conditioned on these clearly outlined rules of self-defense. Otherwise, it’s cherry picking, something the Quran forbids as perverse.
Additionally, Quran 2:193-194 declares that Muslims may only fight active combatants. Meaning, even if during battle an enemy combatant asks for amnesty, you must grant it. In Islam, there’s no such thing as “collateral damage,” mutilation, or torture. All this notwithstanding, fact three issues the death blow to Daesh and Islamophobe ideology.
Fact 3
You might now understand who the Quran refers to when it says “kill them where you find them”. The “them” are those terrorists who persecuted people for their faith, exiled them from their homes and then pursued to kill innocent people in their new homes.
In other words, “them” is close to a modern day Isis. The Quran permits killing terrorists in self-defence because they have waged pre-emptive war against you, or against Christians, Jews, or people of any faith. Yet, even then, if terrorists desist, the Quran forbids aggression against them. This teaching is not mere theory, it’s Islamic history.
Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) did something remarkable when he returned to Mecca after 20 years. Having suffered brutal persecution and murder of even his own children, he offered blanket forgiveness, with the one condition that the Meccans accept universal freedom of conscience. He did not force Islam. He did not wage war. He did not imprison the city. He forgave.

As non-Muslim historian Stanley Lane-Poole attests: “The day of Mohammad's greatest triumph over his enemies was also the day of his grandest victory over himself. He freely forgave the Koraysh all the years of sorrow and cruel scorn in which they had afflicted him and gave an amnesty to the whole population of Mecca.”
That is the love and compassion that Islam and the Quran teach. Any honest person can see that Isis represents Prophet Muhammad the way darkness represents light; the two are complete opposites.
Misconceptions about Islam creep in because people learn about the faith from headline news rather than from the Quran and the Prophet.

 

[911]

No Hindutva Ummah, No Islamic Ummah, No Christian Ummah.

What is this Hindu Ummah you always talk about? United Hindus within India is not any kind of Ummah.

Christian ummah is a reality though. Hundreds of Christian countries support each other. Europeans consider them to be the original Christians. Christians from India are second class Christians who get dictation from Europeans and all the Churches in India obey to the Europeans. Indian Christians can't dictate anything regarding Christianity in India, let alone Europe or the world. You don't own Christianity, Europeans laugh at you.

 

[Kambojaric]

Reminds me of this social experiment.

Those who want to commit violence in the name of religion will do so regardless of what scripture teaches. The Buddhist monks running around in Myanmar killing non-Buddhists are surely not following the teachings of Buddha.

 

[T-Rex]

Israel, Hindu, Europe, Christians, Atheists are all against Islamofascism.

There's no such thing as 'Islamophascism' because Islam opposes fascist ideas. Matter of fact, that is the essence of Islam and that is why dirty fascists like the RSS scoundrels are so frightened of Islam.

 

[Thorough Pro]

You are such a clown but the sad part is you must be thinking of yourself as an intellect when your wrote this piece of shit post.

@mods are there any rules to ban idiots who insult religious beliefs?

The Quran is an old book,written in a different context and time,sure it needs an update. Many of its verses (or whatsoever) can be taken out of the context,can create confusion and can be used to deteriorate the image of muslims.

 

[Vergennes]

You are such a clown but the sad part is you must be thinking of yourself as an intellect when your wrote this piece of shit post.

@mods are there any rules to ban idiots who insult religious beliefs?

As expected,when it comes to Islam,you guys can't take any criticism or an opinion that is different to yours. The only thing you come back with is insults and hate. But continue,please.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The Bible says "an eye for an eye". France doesn't have the death penalty. If some Christian is aggrieved by a motorist running over his family and takes a gun to kill the motorist, will the French then demand that the words of the Bible be changed? I think not

When said Christian refers to the bible as argument for killing someone, then perhaps it should.
There are plenty of different versions of the Bible anyway.

The Quran certainly is used by Islamists to motivate why they break the law.

 

[El Sidd]

am i allowed to discuss religion?

I am asking again