Muslims-only apartments coming up in Greater Noida

[N.Siddiqui]

Have some relatives in Hyderabad India and they live in very decent and upscale housing, in Hyder enclave near sun city...think this is the best city in India for obvious reasons.

 

[PurpleStone]

forward caste religious Hindus and Jain societies in northern Indian cities enforce vegetarian terrorism and caste system openly. No gau mata steak or curry for you. Let alone onion or garlic. Primitive.

Their house their rules. Don't like buy your own. Even in US landlords set their own rules. For example, if pets are allowed or not

 

[N.Siddiqui]

No decent Muslim will want to stay there either! Disgusting ghettos are for the type of people who not only love being stuck in the 7th century, but also adore being marginalised.

It's a vicious cycle, can't get away from it, kind of entrenched into the system. Lower castes also adore being marginalised and get the SC/ST/OBC quotas, perks and privileges...wondering do Muslims have some quotas there.

 

[Bombaywalla]

It's a vicious cycle, can't get away from it, kind of entrenched into the system. Lower castes also adore being marginalised and get the SC/ST/OBC quotas, perks and privileges...wondering do Muslims have some quotas there.

Lord knows, man, and I hope not. Quotas based on religion and caste are ridiculous IMHO. My mother’s side of the family chooses to live in mixed neighbourhoods, with the secular Indian values they’ve been brought up with.

 

[PurpleStone]

It's a vicious cycle, can't get away from it, kind of entrenched into the system. Lower castes also adore being marginalised and get the SC/ST/OBC quotas, perks and privileges...wondering do Muslims have some quotas there.

Quotas are only legal for Hindus as caste system is supposedly a Hindu concept. Other religions do not recognize castes hence are not eligible.

The way Muslims and Christians trick the system in India is by claiming as a Hindus when it comes to availing quotas for education & jobs while practicing Islam or Christianity in real life.

 

[Bombaywalla]

Have some relatives in Hyderabad India and they live in very decent and upscale housing, in Hyder enclave near sun city...think this is the best city in India for obvious reasons.

If you’re poor, you tend to live with your fellow poor people in ugly ghettos and other low income neighbourhoods, but if you’re from the middle/upper/wealthy class, you’ll choose your place of residence accordingly. More than religion, I think it’s your socio-economic condition that motivates ghetto-living Vs non-ghetto thriving.

Hyderabad is nice, but Bombay is awesome. You should come visit if you ever get the chance to.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Quotas are only legal for Hindus as caste system is supposedly a Hindu concept. Other religions do not recognize castes hence are not eligible.

The way Muslims and Christians trick the system in India is by claiming as a Hindus when it comes to availing quotas for education & jobs while practicing Islam or Christianity in real life.

I concur quota system is against the concept of meritocracy and level playing field, there shouldn't be any.

Quite strange if the people can trick the system to get the quotas in govt. jobs and in educational institutes.

 

[PurpleStone]

I concur Quota system is against the concept of meritocracy and level playing field, there shouldn't be any.

Quite strange if the people can trick the system to get the quotas in govt. jobs and in educational institutes.

I would have preferred government going with the concept of scholarships to meritorious students who cannot afford the fee rather than quotas.

Quotas have brought down the quality of education in India. Most of students who get quotas in educational institutions do not even complete their degrees in spite of they having lower grade points to complete their degrees.

When people go to a doctor, the first thing they check is if the doctor has earned their degree through quota or not. No one wants to take a chance with their life.

 

[naveen mishra]

It's a vicious cycle, can't get away from it, kind of entrenched into the system. Lower castes also adore being marginalised and get the SC/ST/OBC quotas, perks and privileges...wondering do Muslims have some quotas there.

yes many state in Indian recognized Muslim backward cast ,and they are getting benefit as other backward cast,under cast quotas (not religion),in state government job and service

main technical issue is Muslim community having difference with in ,till than they will demand reservation on religion basis , it will impossible for them ,because constitution doesn't recognized religion, but cast is recognized by constitution , and it possible to give Muslim reservation under cast quotas, all christian SC /ST getting benefit under cast quota

different Muslim organisation having different view on it , some started raising voice that ,if cast is reality in Muslim community ,than why it is not being openly accept ,it exist since long and it is reality

same statics Muslim also have, forwards or so called upper cast is around 15 % ,rest 85 % are Ansari or other lower cast , and because of this 15 % why rest 85 % is suffering, but with in Muslim community also their political ,and religious representative mostly come from Muslim upper cast ,

 

[N.Siddiqui]

I would have preferred government going with the concept of scholarships to meritorious students who cannot afford the fee rather than quotas.

Quotas have brought down the quality of education in India. Most of students who get quotas in education institutions do not even complete their degrees in spite of they having lower grade points to complete their degrees.

When people go to a doctor, the first thing they check is if the doctor has earned their degree through quota or not. No one wants to take a chance with their life.

Right, scholarships are better and motivating as well, quotas are demotivating for deserving people. Pakistan do grant some quotas to Gilgit Baltistan and FATA region people, but there share is less than 5% of the total jobs and educational quotas, only in federal run institutes and jobs not in provinces.

Educational standard do suffer with quotas, was reading there is as high as 50% quotas for such people in India in jobs and education, this is very high.

In medical field there shouldn't be any.

 

[PurpleStone]

Right, scholarships are better and motivating as well, quotas are demotivating for deserving people. Pakistan do grant some quotas to Gilgit Baltistan and FATA region people, but there share is less than 5% of the total jobs and educational quotas, only in federal run institutes and jobs not in provinces.

Educational standard do suffer with quotas, was reading there is as high as 50% quotas for such people in India in jobs and education, this is very high.

In medical field there shouldn't be any.

50% is minimum. States like Tamilnadu have 80% quota.

The following are reservations by state for OBC (other backward castes) only under Mandal commission since 1980s. This is already on top of the SC, ST & BC reservations that were already in place since the formation of India.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=108754


Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment
14-August-2014 16:22 IST
Status of Reservation of OBC in Various States

The details of people benefited from reservation system in the country, which was established on the basis of B.P. Mandal Commission for the upliftment of backward classes in India wherein constitutional provision of 27 per cent reservation was made for them is:



(The details obtained from the DoPT are):

S.No.

Year

OBC

1

2007

196236

2

2008

390286

3

2009

410948

4

2010

447717


The Central Government provides 27% reservation for Other Backward Classes (OBCs) in Central Government services and Central Educational Institutions. The subject matter ‘reservation in the particular State/UT’ squarely relates to services of State/UT Governments concerned.

S. No.

Name State/UT

Reservation Quota for OBCs in States/UTs

1

Andhra Pradesh

Reservation to OBCs in State aided Educational Institutions and in State services is 29%. It is divided among five groups as under:

BC-A=7%, BC-B=10%, BC-C=01%, BC- D=07%, BC- E=04%.

2

Arunachal Pradesh

There is no OBC population in the State. Hence there is no reservation for OBCs in the State.

3

Assam

Providing 27% reservation to OBCs in State services.

4

Bihar

The OBCs reservation quota in the State is as follows:

BC-II- 12%

BC-I – 18%

OBCs Women- 03%

5

Chhatisgarh

Providing 14% reservation to OBCs in State services.

6

NCT of Delhi

27% reservation in civil posts and services.

7

Goa

Government of Goa has approved enhancement of OBC quota from 19.5% to 27% .

8

Gujarat

Providing 27% reservation to socially and educationally backward class in State services.

9

Haryana

Providing 27% reservation in class III & IV and 10% in class I & II to OBCs in State services.

10

Himachal Pradesh

Providing reservation @ 12% in Class-I & II and 18% in Class-III & IV posts to the persons belonging to OBC category, in the services of the State.

11

J & K

Providing reservation to Socially and Educationally Backward Classes in direct recruitment as under:

(i) Weak & Under Privileged Classes (social castes) 2%

(ii) Residents of Areas adjoining Line Actual

Line of Control (ALC) 3%

(iii) Residents of Backward Areas (RBA) 20%.


For appointment by promotion as under :

Resident of Backward Area – 10%

Actual Line of Control (ALC) – 02%

Weak and under privileged Classes – 01%

12

Jharkhand

Providing 14% reservation to OBCs.

13

Karnataka

Providing 32% reservation to OBCs for the purpose of admission to Educational Institutions and in Employment in State Civil Services and Government of Karnataka Undertakings.

14

Kerala

Providing 40% reservation to OBCs.

15

Madhya Pradesh

Providing 14% reservation to OBCs in the State.

16

Maharashtra

Providing reservation to OBCs in State services as under:

Special Backward Category 2%

Other Backward Classes 19%

17

Manipur

Providing 17% reservation for OBCs in the State.

18

Meghalaya

No community has been recognized as OBCs.

19

Mizoram

There is no OBC in the State. Hence making reservation for OBC in the State does not arise.

20

Nagaland

State of Nagaland does not have OBC.

21

Odisha

Provision for reservation of 27% for Socially and Educationally Backward Classes in the posts and services in the State.

22

Punjab

Providing 12% reservation to Backward Classes in direct recruitment in government employment and 5% reservation in educational institutions.

23

Rajasthan

Providing 21% reservation to OBCs in State services.

24

Sikkim

Reservation in posts and services to be filled up by direct recruitment by OBCs under the State Govt. & Public Sector Undertaking is 21%.

25

Tamil Nadu

Providing reservation to OBCs in the State level Services as under:

Backward Classes 26.5%

Backward Classes Muslim 3.5%

Most Backward Classes/Denotified Community 20%.

26

Tripura

There is no reservation quota for OBCs in the State.

27

Uttar Pradesh

Providing 27% reservation to OBCs.

28

Uttarakhand

Providing 14% reservation to OBCs in State level services.

29

West Bengal

17% of the vacancies are reserved for OBCs in services and posts under the Govt. of West Bengal.

30

A & N Islands

Providing 38% reservation to OBCs.

31

Chandigarh

Providing 27% reservation to OBCs in State services.

32

Daman & Diu

Providing 27% reservation to OBCs in State services.

33

Dadra & Nagar Haveli

Providing 5% reservation to OBCs in State services.

34

Lakshadweep

There is no OBC population in this Union Territory because entire population is Muslim Scheduled Tribe. Hence Nil.

35

Puducherry

Providing reservation to OBCs in State services as under :

Most Backward Classes (MBCs) 20%

Other Backward Classes (OBCs) 13%

Backward Tribes (BT) 1%

Total Backward Classes 34%

 

[PurpleStone]

Right, scholarships are better and motivating as well, quotas are demotivating for deserving people. Pakistan do grant some quotas to Gilgit Baltistan and FATA region people, but there share is less than 5% of the total jobs and educational quotas, only in federal run institutes and jobs not in provinces.

Educational standard do suffer with quotas, was reading there is as high as 50% quotas for such people in India in jobs and education, this is very high.

In medical field there shouldn't be any.

please post this on my behalf on the bcci thread. i am not able to post there.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paki...dia-before-resumption-of-cricket-bcci.555412/

 

[N.Siddiqui]

please post this on my behalf on the bcci thread. i am not able to post there.

posted in the BCCI thread...good words here.

 

[naveen mishra]

Right, scholarships are better and motivating as well, quotas are demotivating for deserving people. Pakistan do grant some quotas to Gilgit Baltistan and FATA region people, but there share is less than 5% of the total jobs and educational quotas, only in federal run institutes and jobs not in provinces.

Educational standard do suffer with quotas, was reading there is as high as 50% quotas for such people in India in jobs and education, this is very high.

In medical field there shouldn't be any.

actual reservation is much higher than that , 49 % is just quota for backward and lower cast

with in quota there is rider also
1> minimum 30 % should be girl
2>3% physical handicap
3>3% central service quota
4> 3% freedom fighter,army

approx it is near 63 %

 

[N.Siddiqui]

50% is minimum. States like Tamilnadu have 80% quota.

The following are reservations by state for OBC (other backward castes) only under Mandal commission since 1980s. This is already on top of the SC, ST & BC reservations that were already in place since the formation of India.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=108754


Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment
14-August-2014 16:22 IST
Status of Reservation of OBC in Various States

This quotas and reservations, the positive discrimination is all too complex and myriad, my head is spinning with all this travails and pitfalls resulting from this system.

For India this might be the best system hands down, for now to make things works. This is good unless there is an alternative...

actual reservation is much higher than that , 49 % is just quota for backward and lower cast

with in quota there is rider also
1> minimum 30 % should be girl
2>3% physical handicap
3>3% central service quota
4> 3% freedom fighter,army

approx it is near 63 %

This is huge 63% in many cases, can't help it getting away from it, it is entrenched and intrinsic in the system now, how it can be reversed or improved...as to my understanding with more people getting out of the BPL deserving some quotas, the quota percentile need to be lowered as with the decrease in actual numbers, but seems the population growth rate is more in lower caste people...obvious here.


The positive discrimination, the reservations, the quotas for ST/SC/OBC is fine for some period, shouldn't go for ever, it's a kind of anomaly, something that shouldn't be the standard practice.

It is resulting in further irregularities in the overall standards and system.

It is actually very complex thing...and hence no one want to solve and change this thing in India...need another Ambedkar, the person who initiated it should solve the puzzle.