Muslims are lesser important than a Cow in India Claimed Naseeruddin Shah

[Thamizh Puli]

You are not prepared. Cut your losses and leave Kashmir

Godfather 3 was VHS times. they got your number

 

[Nilu Pule]

These charges, whether real or imaginary, can be placed on virtually most, if not all, of the ancient and medieval rulers and conquerors, of whatever religious, ethnic or racial association. Again, it is ones choice to be selective and partial.

As I told you, he was a local ruler of Indus valley; so the term "invader" does not apply to him.

What about Mohammad Bin Qasim, Timur, Babar and others? Were they peaceful locals too?
And I assume you don't think India is an invading force with regards to Kashmir.

NO. Don't ascribe to me, and the erstwhile Muslim League, the things, which I or they have not said. I have told you to read the Lahore Resolution of 1940, which laid down the original demand of Muslim League and became a foundation document for future political struggle of Muslim League. It didn't say to "carve out" a separate country for all the South Asian Muslims. Period. It only demanded that Muslim-majority areas of British India be formed into separate sovereign state(s). There was nothing to be "carved out", as your fantasy suggests. Later, right from 1940 to 1947, there is not a single document, formal or informal, which even remotely suggests a total or substantial transfer of population, on religious lines, to the daughter states.

What is your point? Did that autonomous Muslim region come into existence? We can talk about August offer 1940, Crips Mission, Wavell Plan etc. Since they were never implemented, they have become obscure.

The fact remains that Muslim League created a separate nation for all South Asian Muslims. Pakistan and Bangladesh will have to accept Muslims from India when the time arrives. Or you can shoot them or blow them up. But you cannot run away from your responsibility.

Alright. Keep on digging deeper; you might strike some oil field or gold mine.

No concealed motives. I express, what I believe to be right; though I may be wrong.

Allah knows better.

I hold my views and express them. I am in no position to advise my "lovely Muslims" or your "lovely Hindus".

Selective preaching.

Gandhi or INC were in no position or power to accept or reject demands of Muslim League. You seem to forget that British were holding the reins of India. Rest of your post about "nice" civil war, and it's possible results, is conjectural.

British Raj was dying. If Gandhi had not accepted the idea of Pakistan, a civil war was due. The British could not have protected Muslims from the other 77%.

No. I am not an elitist, You are mistaken. Yes. I am a Punjabi and was brought up in a lower-middle income environment. Most of the people, among whom I grew, were unskilled or skilled workers.

Allah knows better.

Thanks. I have no fantasies and am fundamentally a realistic person.

Good to know.
May Allah make Pakistan 100% Muslim and bless the warriors of Pakistan to launch Ghazwa E Hind. Aamen!

you dot head rat worshipers overestimate your self you did-int give anyone anything we took it presenting the circumstances if you had had it your way all of south Asia would be Hindu but its not because even at out lowest we are better than you

oh yeah shit skin a nation does need RAG PICKERS, Puncturewallahs, bhangarwallahs because they usefull member of society unlike street shitters who only take up space on this planet who would be better of dead and the only reason they are not dead because they are not even worth the time and effort it would take to kill them

How is the KKK Karachi branch?

We have big hearts. We can always accommodate more rag pickers. Come join your brothers.

 

[SIPRA]

What about Mohammad Bin Qasim, Timur, Babar and others? Were they peaceful locals too?

Again distorting. I never said that Sultan Mehmud Ghaznavi was a peaceful local. Of course, he was a warrior and conqueror, just like Raja Jayapal, Shivaji Marhatta, Maharaja Ranjeet Singh, and many many others.

And I assume you don't think India is an invading force with regards to Kashmir.

You cannot import medieval geopolitics, it's concepts and norms, to the modern times. Things have changed somewhat, if not totally.

What is your point? Did that autonomous Muslim region come into existence? We can talk about August offer 1940, Crips Mission, Wavell Plan etc. Since they were never implemented, they have become obscure.

Of course, Pakistan came into being, consequent to the demands of Muslim League, as laid down in Lahore Resolution 1940. That is an altogether different thing that all those demands were not fulfilled, because some of them were not quite logical and lacked internal consistency.

The fact remains that Muslim League created a separate nation for all South Asian Muslims.

It is not at all a fact. It is a gross fabrication and concoction. There is no historical evidence, whatsoever, for this assertion, in any public/official or private document, related to the partition of India. Period.

Pakistan and Bangladesh will have to accept Muslims from India when the time arrives. Or you can shoot them or blow them up. But you cannot run away from your responsibility.

A deeply fanciful and conjectural fantasy, which hardly needs any response.

British Raj was dying. If Gandhi had not accepted the idea of Pakistan, a civil war was due. The British could not have protected Muslims from the other 77%.

It was not Gandhi, but the Working Committee and Executive Council of INC, which, through resolutions, duly passed by thumping majorities, accepted the partition of India, on the specific requirement of Lord Mountbatten. Gandhi was not even a member and, in my opinion, had lost all his political significance and clout, by the time, these resolutions were passed. He was almost a spent cartridge, for quite some time. It was a collective decision of INC.

Of course, clear possibility and danger of a civil war was the fundamental factor, which forced both British and INC to accept partition.

May Allah make Pakistan 100% Muslim and bless the warriors of Pakistan to launch Ghazwa E Hind. Aamen!

Ridiculous proposition.

 

[Nilu Pule]

Again distorting. I never said that Sultan Mehmud Ghaznavi was a peaceful local. Of course, he was a warrior and conqueror, just like Raja Jayapal, Shivaji Marhatta, Maharaja Ranjeet Singh, and many many others.

Did Jayapal or Shivaji wage war on infidels citing religious scriptures?

You cannot import medieval geopolitics, it's concepts and norms, to the modern times. Things have changed somewhat, if not totally

Muda'rat

It is not at all a fact. It is a gross fabrication and concoction. There is no historical evidence, whatsoever, for this assertion, in any public/official or private document, related to the partition of India. Period.

You have superpowers which allow you to re write history.

A deeply fanciful and conjectural fantasy, which hardly needs any response.

As a Punjabi Muslim elite you feel threatened. The thought of Mohajirs becoming a majority and wresting control of Pakistan out of your hands must be very frightening.
It's no fantasy. The manner in which Pakistan and Bangladesh have forced non Muslims to immigrate to India, is more than enough reason to carry out a much required cleansing. Hehe

It was not Gandhi, but the Working Committee and Executive Council of INC, which, through resolutions, duly passed by thumping majorities, accepted the partition of India, on the specific requirement of Lord Mountbatten. Gandhi was not even a member and, in my opinion, had lost all his political significance and clout, by the time, these resolutions were passed. He was almost a spent cartridge, for quite some time. It was a collective decision of INC.

Of course, clear possibility and danger of a civil war was the fundamental factor, which forced both British and INC to accept partition.

Gandhi controlled Congress. CWC was a joke. Subhas Bose episode proves that.

Which side ought to lose most in civil war, isn't it quite obvious?

Ridiculous proposition.

It's almost finished. Only 3 percent to wipe out. Hehe

 

[Ashwasthama]

Since he knows the reality at the end of this career , he should move to a country like Pakistan , Syria, Turkey ,Afghanistan etc. Where a Muslim's life mattres a lot for the nation. You should not live in a country where is life as a lesser value then the life of a cow.

 

[SIPRA]

Did Jayapal or Shivaji wage war on infidels citing religious scriptures?

In my opinion, most of the ancient and medieval warriors, used religious, ethnic and/or racial undertones and overtones, during wars, depending upon the nature of the opponent/combatant, to raise the morale of their respective soldiers and to provide a higher moral pedestal for their pursuit; Though, most of them, in fact, fought for their personal/dynastic glory, power and/or wealth.

You have superpowers which allow you to re write history.

It is you, not me, trying to rewrite the history.

As a Punjabi Muslim elite you feel threatened. The thought of Mohajirs becoming a majority and wresting control of Pakistan out of your hands must be very frightening.

I told you that I am a common man, not elite or elitist. Politically, I have strong liking for Quaid e Azam and ZAB, who were not Punjabi.

It's no fantasy. The manner in which Pakistan and Bangladesh have forced non Muslims to immigrate to India, is more than enough reason to carry out a much required cleansing. Hehe

It was reciprocal, in nature. Incidentally, by some stroke of destiny, numbers of Hindus and Sikhs expelled from Pakistan, in 1947, equate to the numbers of Muslims forced out from India.

Gandhi controlled Congress. CWC was a joke. Subhas Bose episode proves that.

I don't agree. Gandhi had become politically powerless and irrelevant, far before 1947.

Which side ought to lose most in civil war, isn't it quite obvious?

No. it is not obvious. In fact, consequences of a civil war, between Hindus and Muslims, in 1947, cannot be assessed or grasped, now.

It's almost finished. Only 3 percent to wipe out. Hehe

As I already said. It is a ridiculous proposition.

 

[Nilu Pule]

In my opinion, most of the ancient and medieval warriors, used religious, ethnic and/or racial undertones and overtones, during wars, depending upon the nature of the opponent/combatant, to raise the morale of their respective soldiers and to provide a higher moral pedestal for their pursuit; Though, most of them, in fact, fought for their personal/dynastic glory, power and/or wealth.



It is you, not me, trying to rewrite the history.



I told you that I am a common man, not elite or elitist. Politically, I have strong liking for Quaid e Azam and ZAB, who were not Punjabi.



It was reciprocal, in nature. Incidentally, by some stroke of destiny, numbers of Hindus and Sikhs expelled from Pakistan, in 1947, equate to the numbers of Muslims forced out from India.



I don't agree. Gandhi had become politically powerless and irrelevant, far before 1947.



No. it is not obvious. In fact, consequences of a civil war, between Hindus and Muslims, in 1947, cannot be assessed or grasped, now.



As I already said. It is a ridiculous proposition.

Uncle you are relentless. Let's agree to disagree.
I would recommend two books - We or our Nationhood defined and Bunch of Thoughts by Golwalkar. It will give you a glimpse of what's about to come. It's surprising to know that most hardcore Hinduwadis have never even heard of these gem of books

 

[SIPRA]

Uncle you are relentless. Let's agree to disagree.
I would recommend two books - We or our Nationhood defined and Bunch of Thoughts by Golwalkar. It will give you a glimpse of what's about to come. It's surprising to know that most hardcore Hinduwadis have never even heard of these gem of books

OK, Nephew. Thanks any way.

 

[Nilu Pule]

I told you that I am a common man, not elite or elitist. Politically, I have strong liking for Quaid e Azam and ZAB, who were not Punjabi.

Why are you pulling my leg? You don't sound like a common Pakistani man.

It was reciprocal, in nature. Incidentally, by some stroke of destiny, numbers of Hindus and Sikhs expelled from Pakistan, in 1947, equate to the numbers of Muslims forced out from India.

I am not pointing out at partition violence. Let's not forget what transpired afterward. India still continues to receive non-Muslims who flee West Pakistan and East Pakistan.

 

[SIPRA]

I am not pointing out at partition violence. Let's not forget what transpired afterward. India still continues to receive non-Muslims who flee West Pakistan and East Pakistan.

Hindu population of Pakistan (ex West Pakistan) is reported to be 1.6% (1951 Census) and 1.85% (1998 Census), which implies rather a differential growth, over time. This is the data. Make your own conclusion. However, it does not, in any way, imply that I am happy in the way minorities are treated in Pakistan. There is much to be improved, on this account.

No comments on Bangladesh (Ex East Pakistan).

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

@RIWWIR my very dear Pak,

We need to understand the loss that our friend @Nilu Pule feels.

Unless we understand this emotion we cann't, perhaps, engage in a discourse leading to a rational synthesis.

Our friend feels the loss of his world at the hands of invaders... though he does forget Angrez sahib... and limits his wrath to expulsion of muslims from his country as the only solution.

Regardless, he has the right to his opinion. At least he is not hiding his intentions like wannabe GanguFacistTrolls or those sweet mouthed posters from the eastern side @Shane

@Nilu Pule feels, perhaps, living in a world that is not hindu. In a way he would be right.

As invaders brought their way of life and outlook on life... resulting in a loss of original way of life of hindus of Gangees.

Just look at language, cloths, food, music and poetry.... the iimprit of invaders is quite deep. Same way we are still living in an Anglofied world in Pakistan. And of course, Gangufication of PakSociety is alarming. Just have a look at our actors!

So, perhpas, @Nilu Pule feels that he needs to direct his outrage at 'them'... the other... the alien... who are essentially of the same DNA stock as himself.

But would be, perhaps, more accurate that he also disects the closet muslims of his society. Just like our FazoolMullahMaffia the RSS+its offsprings are cheating the hindus out of truth.

Lynching a few muslims and sharing its videos on Whatsapp/AsocialMedia does provide some subconcious relief to these HindutvaCrowd... but practical reality of 350 million 'Other' are there to stay.

The closet muslims and their compulsive emtion towards Pakistan, expressed in hate, is defining feature of ruling elites of the country called India...

Just look at the clothes these facists wear... how are these reflect anything indian? Gandhi did wear indian... but Nehru wore Muslim... even that topi was/is muslim ...

So if we look carefully RSSTerrorist are actually goons and CriminalEnterprise more interested in making money through ElectionBusiness... not that different from our never dying Bhutto or Noora/Fuzla/Wali/Achakzai types....

If seen from AnthropologicalPerspective muslims of India do hold a larger deciding factor than majority hindus.

The day muslims openly declear MuqboozaHindustan and create a rallying cry... the Cyle would start all over again.

The FakeSecularism was keeping things under the wraps...but the RSSGoons lack finesse and nuance.. hence will create DialecticAcceleration of the inherit conflict between Two Civilisations.

Hindus neither totally crush muslims nor totally give them democratic space due to political system... so it is more of postponement than resolution of CivilisationalConflict.

Tarrorisht, tarrorisht could only help so much...post 9/11. But now it is not going to sell that much....

Hence, I do like to listen to @Nilu Pule as he struggles with loss and emotions and tries to find solutions which are not rational because there is NO Pure Hinduness in present day GanguDaesh left... more because of the closet muslims who tried to be both hindus on paper and lived a life of someone else...as the world they lived/live in NOT of their creation.

One wishes that there be Kindess, Compassion and Forgiveness but the HumanCondition is Darkness creating misery after misery for each other and Nature.

Mangus

@PakSword @Dubious @Oscar @waz @HRK @Signalian @Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Horus @WebMaster @Slav Defence @Arsalan

@Signalian that CFL needs creative revisiting... linear/non-linear solutions are emerging. A Beauty lurks in BD!

 

[Nilu Pule]

So if we look carefully RSSTerrorist are actually goons and CriminalEnterprise more interested in making money through ElectionBusiness...

Only if these hinduwadi fanboys understood.
These RSS bastards oppose love-jihad yet have no problem with their daughters becoming mistresses of Muslim men.
If someone fails to understand why did I use the word 'mistress', the answer is obvious. Muslim men cannot marry polytheist women. So as per the Muslim religion, these marriages are null and void. The children borne out of such wedlocks would be bastards.

 

[SIPRA]

@RIWWIR my very dear Pak,

We need to understand the loss that our friend @Nilu Pule feels.

Unless we understand this emotion we cann't, perhaps, engage in a discourse leading to a rational synthesis.

Our friend feels the loss of his world at the hands of invaders... though he does forget Angrez sahib... and limits his wrath to expulsion of muslims from his country as the only solution.

Regardless, he has the right to his opinion. At least he is not hiding his intentions like wannabe GanguFacistTrolls or those sweet mouthed posters from the eastern side @Shane

@Nilu Pule feels, perhaps, living in a world that is not hindu. In a way he would be right.

As invaders brought their way of life and outlook on life... resulting in a loss of original way of life of hindus of Gangees.

Just look at language, cloths, food, music and poetry.... the iimprit of invaders is quite deep. Same way we are still living in an Anglofied world in Pakistan. And of course, Gangufication of PakSociety is alarming. Just have a look at our actors!

So, perhpas, @Nilu Pule feels that he needs to direct his outrage at 'them'... the other... the alien... who are essentially of the same DNA stock as himself.

But would be, perhaps, more accurate that he also disects the closet muslims of his society. Just like our FazoolMullahMaffia the RSS+its offsprings are cheating the hindus out of truth.

Lynching a few muslims and sharing its videos on Whatsapp/AsocialMedia does provide some subconcious relief to these HindutvaCrowd... but practical reality of 350 million 'Other' are there to stay.

The closet muslims and their compulsive emtion towards Pakistan, expressed in hate, is defining feature of ruling elites of the country called India...

Just look at the clothes these facists wear... how are these reflect anything indian? Gandhi did wear indian... but Nehru wore Muslim... even that topi was/is muslim ...

So if we look carefully RSSTerrorist are actually goons and CriminalEnterprise more interested in making money through ElectionBusiness... not that different from our never dying Bhutto or Noora/Fuzla/Wali/Achakzai types....

If seen from AnthropologicalPerspective muslims of India do hold a larger deciding factor than majority hindus.

The day muslims openly declear MuqboozaHindustan and create a rallying cry... the Cyle would start all over again.

The FakeSecularism was keeping things under the wraps...but the RSSGoons lack finesse and nuance.. hence will create DialecticAcceleration of the inherit conflict between Two Civilisations.

Hindus neither totally crush muslims nor totally give them democratic space due to political system... so it is more of postponement than resolution of CivilisationalConflict.

Tarrorisht, tarrorisht could only help so much...post 9/11. But now it is not going to sell that much....

Hence, I do like to listen to @Nilu Pule as he struggles with loss and emotions and tries to find solutions which are not rational because there is NO Pure Hinduness in present day GanguDaesh left... more because of the closet muslims who tried to be both hindus on paper and lived a life of someone else...as the world they lived/live in NOT of their creation.

One wishes that there be Kindess, Compassion and Forgiveness but the HumanCondition is Darkness creating misery after misery for each other and Nature.

Mangus

@PakSword @Dubious @Oscar @waz @HRK @Signalian @Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Horus @WebMaster @Slav Defence @Arsalan

@Signalian that CFL needs creative revisiting... linear/non-linear solutions are emerging. A Beauty lurks in BD!

An excellent post. Fully agree.

I am holding communication with @Nilu Pule mostly at a rational and factual level.

 

[HRK]

@RIWWIR my very dear Pak,

We need to understand the loss that our friend @Nilu Pule feels.

Unless we understand this emotion we cann't, perhaps, engage in a discourse leading to a rational synthesis.

Our friend feels the loss of his world at the hands of invaders... though he does forget Angrez sahib... and limits his wrath to expulsion of muslims from his country as the only solution.

Regardless, he has the right to his opinion. At least he is not hiding his intentions like wannabe GanguFacistTrolls or those sweet mouthed posters from the eastern side @Shane

@Nilu Pule feels, perhaps, living in a world that is not hindu. In a way he would be right.

As invaders brought their way of life and outlook on life... resulting in a loss of original way of life of hindus of Gangees.

Just look at language, cloths, food, music and poetry.... the iimprit of invaders is quite deep. Same way we are still living in an Anglofied world in Pakistan. And of course, Gangufication of PakSociety is alarming. Just have a look at our actors!

So, perhpas, @Nilu Pule feels that he needs to direct his outrage at 'them'... the other... the alien... who are essentially of the same DNA stock as himself.

But would be, perhaps, more accurate that he also disects the closet muslims of his society. Just like our FazoolMullahMaffia the RSS+its offsprings are cheating the hindus out of truth.

Lynching a few muslims and sharing its videos on Whatsapp/AsocialMedia does provide some subconcious relief to these HindutvaCrowd... but practical reality of 350 million 'Other' are there to stay.

The closet muslims and their compulsive emtion towards Pakistan, expressed in hate, is defining feature of ruling elites of the country called India...

Just look at the clothes these facists wear... how are these reflect anything indian? Gandhi did wear indian... but Nehru wore Muslim... even that topi was/is muslim ...

So if we look carefully RSSTerrorist are actually goons and CriminalEnterprise more interested in making money through ElectionBusiness... not that different from our never dying Bhutto or Noora/Fuzla/Wali/Achakzai types....

If seen from AnthropologicalPerspective muslims of India do hold a larger deciding factor than majority hindus.

The day muslims openly declear MuqboozaHindustan and create a rallying cry... the Cyle would start all over again.

The FakeSecularism was keeping things under the wraps...but the RSSGoons lack finesse and nuance.. hence will create DialecticAcceleration of the inherit conflict between Two Civilisations.

Hindus neither totally crush muslims nor totally give them democratic space due to political system... so it is more of postponement than resolution of CivilisationalConflict.

Tarrorisht, tarrorisht could only help so much...post 9/11. But now it is not going to sell that much....

Hence, I do like to listen to @Nilu Pule as he struggles with loss and emotions and tries to find solutions which are not rational because there is NO Pure Hinduness in present day GanguDaesh left... more because of the closet muslims who tried to be both hindus on paper and lived a life of someone else...as the world they lived/live in NOT of their creation.

One wishes that there be Kindess, Compassion and Forgiveness but the HumanCondition is Darkness creating misery after misery for each other and Nature.

Mangus

@PakSword @Dubious @Oscar @waz @HRK @Signalian @Khafee @Irfan Baloch @Horus @WebMaster @Slav Defence @Arsalan

@Signalian that CFL needs creative revisiting... linear/non-linear solutions are emerging. A Beauty lurks in BD!

I damn care about Indian Muslim, India was and is their choice so they are reaping the "benefits" of their choice under their free will

All I can do is to offer Fatiya for them if and when required

 

[PakSword]

I damn care about Indian Muslim, India was and is their choice so they are reaping the "benefits" of their choice under their free will

All I can do is to offer Fatiya for them if and when required

A Muslim Indian family lives in my building. Their son who attends the same school as my son (but different grades) was telling my son in the school bus that his great-grandfather wanted to migrate, but their relatives who migrated earlier than them got butchered at the hands of Hindus. So the second batch cancelled the plan of migration out of fear of getting killed on the way..

I was astonished that the child thinks Pakistan would have been a better place as his parents and grand parents have told him.. but he is in the middle of no where now.. so his plan is to move to west when he grows up..

There might me many such stories which we ignore probably..

@Mangus Ortus Novem