Muslim women cannot object to husbands’ marriages: CII chief

[Dubious]

Khala pls, i can represent Islam if you dont want to, i am always right

As you wish kid....But mind you if you go wrong you will be held accountable....so at your risk... and the bold bit is Not exactly the attitude ....

 

[Jf Thunder]

As you wish kid....But mind you if you go wrong you will be held accountable....so at your risk... and the bold bit is Not exactly the attitude ....

who cares? no one is ever gonna change his views, so in an argument i just have to keep on talking till its tome for the next "Namaz" and i can run away

 

[Jaanbaz]

@Jaanbaz See now he is accusing the parents/siblings of Nusrat Jahan Begum. Reply him now.

Failed attempt at trolling. One mark for trying -2 for being a retard.

 

[Armstrong]

So @Jaanbaz whats the Ahmedi Doctrine's position on this ?

 

[Jaanbaz]

So @Jaanbaz whats the Ahmedi Doctrine's position on this ?

Men are allowed to marry 4 times ofcourse but I have never met any Ahmadi with 4 wives, one is more then enough to handle lol.
About seeking permission from the first wife, I think it is necessary or at least there should be some sort of understanding before a man should take any more wives. From what I have read, the conditions set out in the Quran for marrying more are quite hard to achieve.

 

[Patriots]

Are all men equal in physique? so you believe in might in right

I think here you didn't get my point ... I don't mean to skinny, chubby or muscular by referring physique ..........

iss aadmi ko kuch samjhao otherwise he will ruin his daughter's life

You mean son-in-law shouldn't be truthful, honest, sincere & religious guy

Firstly, according to Islam a woman is allowed to choose without her consent you cant give her away....

2ndly its not every truthful honest sincere and religious man (at face) is really like that....and a woman is allowed to secure her future to add in financial security and looks....

Anyway when one is religious: truthful, honest and sincerity comes in naturally...

However, in today's world men who want 2nd wife are rarely than ever close to "real religious" they are down right horny....Justice is the last thing they are capable of!


- Just a warning but May ALLAH guide you !

The bold one is answer itself of your whole post

 

[birju]

I think we all missed some very important points.

Everlasting lifelong pain comes when a newly wed woman realizes that her husband will eventually remarry and that too mostly likely a woman younger than her as the first wife grows old. That is why most Muslim women apply too much makeup and try to be as attractive, pleasant and submissive around their husbands so that he remains pleased with her and does not remarry. It is a 24-hour living hell for a woman to know that her husband will eventually marry somebody else while he will retain her as his first wife. It is very degrading for anybody to be number 2 or 3 or 4 or even number 1 in such an alliance where a man has all the pleasures that a wife is deprived of.

It would be only fair to let the wife of a man (with four wives) remarry three more guys so that she too can enjoy life with a younger more attractive husband as her first husband grows old and physically gets out of shape and becomes unattractive with each passing year of his life.

 

[VCheng]

I think we all missed some very important points.

Everlasting lifelong pain comes when a newly wed woman realizes that her husband will eventually remarry and that too mostly likely a woman younger than her as the first wife grows old. That is why most Muslim women apply too much makeup and try to be as attractive, pleasant and submissive around their husbands so that he remains pleased with her and does not remarry. It is a 24-hour living hell for a woman to know that her husband will eventually marry somebody else while he will retain her as his first wife. It is very degrading for anybody to be number 2 or 3 or 4 or even number 1 in such an alliance where a man has all the pleasures that a wife is deprived of.

It would be only fair to let the wife of a man (with four wives) remarry three more guys so that she too can enjoy life with a younger more attractive husband as her first husband grows old and physically gets out of shape and becomes unattractive with each passing year of his life.

Marriage is only one aspect of life. Imagine a legal system where the testimony of a woman is only half of that of a man. That remains throughout life, not just related to marriage.

 

[Patriots]

I think we all missed some very important points.

Everlasting lifelong pain comes when a newly wed woman realizes that her husband will eventually remarry and that too mostly likely a woman younger than her as the first wife grows old. That is why most Muslim women apply too much makeup and try to be as attractive, pleasant and submissive around their husbands so that he remains pleased with her and does not remarry. It is a 24-hour living hell for a woman to know that her husband will eventually marry somebody else while he will retain her as his first wife. It is very degrading for anybody to be number 2 or 3 or 4 or even number 1 in such an alliance where a man has all the pleasures that a wife is deprived of.

It would be only fair to let the wife of a man (with four wives) remarry three more guys so that she too can enjoy life with a younger more attractive husband as her first husband grows old and physically gets out of shape and becomes unattractive with each passing year of his life.

Actually you couldn't understand actual spirit of Islam ... Infact Islam is a religion of nature ............

 

[utraash]

These loons don't deserve to live in 21st century....

 

[45'22']

I think here you didn't get my point ... I don't mean to skinny, chubby or muscular by referring physique ..........




You mean son-in-law shouldn't be truthful, honest, sincere & religious guy




The bold one is answer itself of your whole post

No.....I was talking about polygamy
Please don't do that

 

[Dubious]

The bold one is answer itself of your whole post

Yes and no brother....Many "CALL THEMSELVES" religious but usually dont have a single bone related to religion in them....they pretend really well in public....so those are things you need to beware off!

 

[Dubious]

Marriage is only one aspect of life. Imagine a legal system where the testimony of a woman is only half of that of a man. That remains throughout life, not just related to marriage.

Imagine the misinformed....

THAT is ONLY in the case of finance...and not EVERY case of FINANCE a certain case ...Please read the Quran before opening your mouth ...Maybe someone more learned than you should answer questions that you are ignorant to:


Dr. Jamal Badawi, professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and a cross-appointed faculty member in the Departments of Religious Studies and Management, adds:

Most Qur'anic references to testimony (witness) do not make any reference to gender. Some references fully equate the testimony of males and females.

One reference in the Qur'an distinguishes between the witness of a male and a female. It is useful to quote this reference and explain it in its own context and in the context of other Qur'anic references to testimony:

(O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing. Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.) (Al-Baqarah 2:282)

A few comments on this text are essential in order to prevent common misinterpretations:

a. It cannot be used as an argument that there is a general rule in the Qur'an that the worth of a female's witness is only half the male's. This presumed "rule" is voided by the above reference (24:6-9), which explicitly equates the testimony of both genders on the issue at hand.

b. The context of this passage (verse, or ayah) relates to testimony on financial transactions, which are often complex and laden with business jargon. The passage does not make blanket generalization that would otherwise contradict 24:6-9, cited above.

c. The reason for variations in the number of male and female witnesses required is given in the same passage. No reference is made to the inferiority or superiority of one gender's witness or the other's. The only reason given is to corroborate the female's witness and prevent unintended errors in the perception of the business deal. The Arabic term used in this passage, tadhilla, literally means "loses the way," "gets confused," or "errs." But are females the only gender that may err and need corroboration of their testimony? Definitely not, and that is why the general rule of testimony in Islamic law is to have two witnesses, even when they are both male.

One possible interpretation of the requirements related to this particular type of testimony is that in numerous societies, past and present, women generally may not be heavily involved with and experienced in business transactions. As such, they may not be completely cognizant of what is involved. Therefore, corroboration of a woman's testimony by another woman who may be present ascertains accuracy and, hence, justice. It would be unreasonable to interpret this requirement as a reflection on the worth of women's testimony, as it is the only exception discerned from the text of the Qur'an. This may be one reason why a great scholar like At-Tabari could not find any evidence from any primary text (Qur'an or hadith) to exclude women from something more important than testimony: being herself a judge who hears and evaluates the testimony of others.

d. It must be added that unlike pure acts of worship, which must be observed exactly as taught by the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, testimony is a means to an end, ascertaining justice as a major objective of Islamic law. Therefore, it is the duty of a fair judge to be guided by this objective when assessing the worth and credibility of a given testimony, regardless of the gender of the witness. A witness of a female graduate of a business school is certainly far more worthy than the witness of an illiterate person with no business education or experience.




Qur’an 24:6-9, (in the matter of the wife’s suspected infidelity) the testimony of the wife, supersedes that of the husband’s: “And those who accuse their wives and have no witnesses except themselves,let one of them testify four times, bearing Allāh to witness, that he is of those who speak the truth.And the fifth (time) that the curse of Allāh be on him, if he is of those who lie. And it shall avert the chastisement from her, if she testify four times, bearing Allāh to witness, that he is of those who lie.And the fifth (time) that the wrath of Allāh to be on her, if he is of those who speak the truth.”

 

[syedali73]

Imagine the misinformed....

THAT is ONLY in the case of finance...and not EVERY case of FINANCE a certain case ...Please read the Quran before opening your mouth ...Maybe someone more learned than you should answer questions that you are ignorant to:


Dr. Jamal Badawi, professor at Saint Mary's University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada, and a cross-appointed faculty member in the Departments of Religious Studies and Management, adds:

Most Qur'anic references to testimony (witness) do not make any reference to gender. Some references fully equate the testimony of males and females.

One reference in the Qur'an distinguishes between the witness of a male and a female. It is useful to quote this reference and explain it in its own context and in the context of other Qur'anic references to testimony:

(O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing. Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties: let not the scribe refuse to write: as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.) (Al-Baqarah 2:282)

A few comments on this text are essential in order to prevent common misinterpretations:

a. It cannot be used as an argument that there is a general rule in the Qur'an that the worth of a female's witness is only half the male's. This presumed "rule" is voided by the above reference (24:6-9), which explicitly equates the testimony of both genders on the issue at hand.

b. The context of this passage (verse, or ayah) relates to testimony on financial transactions, which are often complex and laden with business jargon. The passage does not make blanket generalization that would otherwise contradict 24:6-9, cited above.

c. The reason for variations in the number of male and female witnesses required is given in the same passage. No reference is made to the inferiority or superiority of one gender's witness or the other's. The only reason given is to corroborate the female's witness and prevent unintended errors in the perception of the business deal. The Arabic term used in this passage, tadhilla, literally means "loses the way," "gets confused," or "errs." But are females the only gender that may err and need corroboration of their testimony? Definitely not, and that is why the general rule of testimony in Islamic law is to have two witnesses, even when they are both male.

One possible interpretation of the requirements related to this particular type of testimony is that in numerous societies, past and present, women generally may not be heavily involved with and experienced in business transactions. As such, they may not be completely cognizant of what is involved. Therefore, corroboration of a woman's testimony by another woman who may be present ascertains accuracy and, hence, justice. It would be unreasonable to interpret this requirement as a reflection on the worth of women's testimony, as it is the only exception discerned from the text of the Qur'an. This may be one reason why a great scholar like At-Tabari could not find any evidence from any primary text (Qur'an or hadith) to exclude women from something more important than testimony: being herself a judge who hears and evaluates the testimony of others.

d. It must be added that unlike pure acts of worship, which must be observed exactly as taught by the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, testimony is a means to an end, ascertaining justice as a major objective of Islamic law. Therefore, it is the duty of a fair judge to be guided by this objective when assessing the worth and credibility of a given testimony, regardless of the gender of the witness. A witness of a female graduate of a business school is certainly far more worthy than the witness of an illiterate person with no business education or experience.

Qur’an 24:6-9, (in the matter of the wife’s suspected infidelity) the testimony of the wife, supersedes that of the husband’s: “And those who accuse their wives and have no witnesses except themselves,let one of them testify four times, bearing Allāh to witness, that he is of those who speak the truth.And the fifth (time) that the curse of Allāh be on him, if he is of those who lie. And it shall avert the chastisement from her, if she testify four times, bearing Allāh to witness, that he is of those who lie.And the fifth (time) that the wrath of Allāh to be on her, if he is of those who speak the truth.”

Bravo lady.

 

[VCheng]

Imagine the misinformed....
THAT is ONLY in the case of finance...and not EVERY case of FINANCE a certain case ...Please read the Quran before opening your mouth ...Maybe someone more learned than you should answer questions that you are ignorant to:

Actually no. Again the apologist claims are very different than the reality of Muslims:

QUOTE:

Countries where in some cases a woman's testimony is worth half of that of a man:

• Algeria (in criminal cases)[13]
• Bahrain (in Sharia courts)[14]
• Egypt (in family courts)[15]
• Iran (in most cases)[16]
• Iraq[17]
• Jordan (in Sharia courts)[18]
• Kuwait (in family courts)[19]
• Libya[20]
• Morocco (in family cases)[21]
• Palestine (in cases related to marriage, divorce and child custody)[22]
• Qatar (in family law matters)[23]
• Saudi Arabia[24]
• Syria (in Sharia courts)[25]
• United Arab Emirates (in some civil matters)[26]
• Yemen (not allowed to testify at all in cases of adultery and retribution)[27]

OIC countries where women's testimony is known to be equal to a man's in all cases:

• Tunisia[28]
• Oman[29]

And before we claim it is only "in some cases" or only in "some matters of finance", the basic problem is that these practices clearly violate the principle of EQUALITY under the LAW for ALL.