Muslim woman passenger faces strange discrimination in United Airlines.

[Pandora]

Wait for some people justifying this behavior and saying things like "she should go back to some arab land or Pakistan etc."
disgusting behavior.

Already happened look at post #3. It is the sickness of mind not the society. A person sitting across the continent with different flag can be an arse hole as well.

 

[Rajesh12379]

One would hope to see the same "rage" at the lack of religious freedom in Muslim countries for the non Muslims.

E.g. in Saudi, no non-Muslim has any freedom to practice his faith. No worship places for anyone else at all! Similar is the case in many other Muslim countries with no or severely limited religious freedom (or even physical safety) for non Muslims.

Apparently some US soldiers sent to defend Saudi had to even hide their religion (and names) during GW-1 if they happened to be Jewish (see the irony?)!

Do you ever see a single Muslim protest?

The tolerance of non Muslim countries is just taken for granted and ever increasing demands are made on them.

And the Muslims actually feel that they are on the receiving end. That is the beauty of it.

 

[RazorMC]

So you are assuming that Ms. Ahmad is telling the truth. I guess there are no liars in this world.

I can also guess you do not fly much, or that when you have, whatever airlines you used did not have beverage service, or that you were not very observant. How the beverages are served is available for all to see since the beverage cart is pretty small to fit in the aisle. Carbonate drinks are usually opened only when there is a request for it, so that mean if a passenger request a drink, the can is opened in front of him/her and dispensed into a cup. The leftover is always used for another passenger request and usually no one make any bones about being served from an opened can.

If the investigation turned out to be a misunderstanding of policies and procedures, Shuttle America will tell the flight attendant, whoever she was, to just swallow her pride and chalk it up to dealing with nothing more than a petulant customer. Ms. Ahmad got her 15 minutes of fame as a victim of alleged institutionalized bigotry in the evil United States.

As for US being the questionable 'land of freedoms', people do have the freedom to leave US. So please do and do it quickly.

I do fly a lot and I would have refused a previously opened can myself if it wasn't opened in front of me. I don't know your standards but atleast Emirates, Etihad and even PIA have better service levels than Redneck Airlines.

And please don't quote me when all you do is garble nonsense about leaving the US or whatever. If your bigotry is tolerated on this forum then why not respect people's rights in the "Land of Native Americans" too?

 

[gambit]

I do fly a lot and I would have refused a previously opened can myself if it wasn't opened in front of me. I don't know your standards but atleast Emirates, Etihad and even PIA have better service levels than Redneck Airlines.

And please don't quote me when all you do is garble nonsense about leaving the US or whatever. If your bigotry is tolerated on this forum then why not respect people's rights in the "Land of Native Americans" too?

Buddy, this story is falling apart faster than you think. Flight attendants are rolling their eyes at Ms.Ahmad's allegation.

United Hub - Shuttle America Flight 3504 - News

United Communications
UPDATED: Jun 1, 2015 at 2:00PM

United is a company that strongly supports diversity and inclusion, and we and our partners do not discriminate against our employees or customers. The flight attendant onboard Shuttle America flight 3504 attempted several times to accommodate Ms. Ahmad's beverage request after a misunderstanding regarding a can of diet soda. The inflight crew met with Ms. Ahmad after the flight arrived in Washington to provide assistance and further discuss the matter. Additionally, we spoke with Ms. Ahmad on Saturday to get a better understanding of what occurred and to apologize for not delivering the service our customers expect when traveling with us.

Just as I thought, they are being kind to what they all know as nothing more than dealing with a petulant passenger. United and associate Shuttle America are not going to come out and accuse Ms. Ahmad of lying due to her being a Muslim and one of moderate prominence. Concurrently, Ms. Ahmad will be satisfied with her 15 minutes of fame and will let this story quietly go away, stashed in the electronics archive of the Internet, since she cannot prove a thing.

Do you know why and when Ms. Ahmad's story fell apart ? When she claimed the flight attendant said a soda can is a potential weapon.

Liquids that cannot be inspected, medically verified liquids such as dietary needs are exempted, are confiscated PRIOR to boarding. Liquids that are served by the airlines are inspected and verified separately. That means it would be absurd for the flight attendant to say to Ms. Ahmad that unopened can of soda is a potential weapon when that can of soda have been cleared by the TSA long before the flight. In other words, Ms. Ahmad knew the TSA argument but placed it at the wrong location in the alleged event.

Where is the pilot who supposedly admitted his 'white male privilege' status, thereby associated guilt to United ? If this white pilot felt bad enough because of his race and walked Ms. Ahmad to a United office to file a formal complaint, surely Ms. Ahmad remember his name ? How about a copy of the complaint so she could show it on her Facebook page ? She could also give Redneck Airlines permission to post that complaint on the Internet for all to see, correct ? How about not merely give permission but insist that the complaint be made public ?

Why is CAIR, Council of American Islamic Relations, not involved ? Because no matter how willing they are to portray the US as evil, they know Ms. Ahmad have nothing to prove her story. Ms. Ahmad is supposedly a presence on several Muslim organizations and boards of leaderships, such as the ACMC (Association of College Muslim Chaplains), the Islamic Society of North America, and Inner-City Muslim Action Network, so where are they in public presence to defend Ms. Ahmad ? Does no evidence have any impact to their public absence because they do not want to embarrass themselves and their organizations ?

I guess that when I flew United, I mean Redneck Airlines, from Los Angeles to Shanghai and I was served club soda in a cup, Redneck Airlines was being subtly discriminatory against Asians and Asian-Americans. I saw the same thing done to white passengers so that mean Redneck Airlines discriminate against their own kind. What happened to that 'white privilege' with these white passengers ?

Am willing to go out on a limb here and say that the flight attendants on those oh-so-superior airlines you cited also rolled their eyes at Ms. Ahmad's story.

 

[vitalsign]

This is disgusting behaviour.
Actually an American Airline is never a good choice.

 

[gambit]

This is disgusting behaviour.
Actually an American Airline is never a good choice.

I encourage all Muslims to boycott US airlines.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Airline apologized to the lady twice and fired the hostess

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Kindly give correct information Please.

LTTE is neither commits suicide bombing for Hindu cause , neither they vouch for it.
They are fighting for ethical cause (Tamil Eelam)
Btw LTTE chief & most of their top members are Christian ( I am not counting ordinary cadre or suicide bomber) then how can you get conclusion that they are Hindu Organization.
As there most of main leaders are Christian amid you can't call them Christian Suicide bomber because they are not bombing for Christ sake.

There are two sides of a coin. Matters little which one you choose to brand which is largely influenced by times we live in.Consider :-

Palestinian blows himself up - Palestinian struggle or Islam?
Afghan Taliban blows himself up - A Pashtun movement or Islam
Chechen blows himself up - Chechen nationslim or Islam ?
Pakistan TTP blows himself up - Social injustice or Islam ?

The fact is there are multiple factors with the common denominator being Islam which increasingly since 1990s has been grabbed as language of rebellion against whatever injustice is percieved or where there is disorder.

The fact was LTTE were Hindu. They blew themselves up in fact they were the original protypes that the various Muslim groups copied. So much for Hinusim is being peace loving because it failed to make these people 'civilized'.

 

[gambit]

Airline apologized to the lady twice and fired the hostess

The Shuttle America flight attendant was supposedly reassigned so that she will not serve United customers. Take it anyway you like.

 

[DrawingDead]

There are two sides of a coin. Matters little which one you choose to brand which is largely influenced by times we live in.Consider :-

Palestinian blows himself up - Palestinian struggle or Islam?
Afghan Taliban blows himself up - A Pashtun movement or Islam
Chechen blows himself up - Chechen nationslim or Islam ?
Pakistan TTP blows himself up - Social injustice or Islam ?

The fact is there are multiple factors with the common denominator being Islam which increasingly since 1990s has been grabbed as language of rebellion against whatever injustice is percieved or where there is disorder.

The fact was LTTE were Hindu. They blew themselves up in fact they were the original protypes that the various Muslim groups copied. So much for Hinusim is being peace loving because it failed to make these people 'civilized'.

There's a flaw in your reasoning. We don't decide based on their religion. We only go by their stated agenda. There are plenty of mass murderers who's religion hasn't come into play. There are incredibly brutal drug cartels in Mexico. We've never inquired about their religious inclinations. However, if the guy states pretty clearly that he's doing it in the name of a certain god or religion or based on a certain text, we pretty much have to take his word for it. While the validity of his reasoning is up for debate, we have no choice but to go with his stated motive unless we can prove otherwise.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There's a flaw in your reasoning. We don't decide based on their religion. We only go by their stated agenda. There are plenty of mass murderers who's religion hasn't come into play. There are incredibly brutal drug cartels in Mexico. We've never inquired about their religious inclinations. However, if the guy states pretty clearly that he's doing it in the name of a certain god or religion or based on a certain text, we pretty much have to take his word for it. While the validity of his reasoning are up for debate, we have no choice but to go with his stated motive unless we can prove otherwise.

That is just branding which has taken off since late 1990s. Take the Palestinians. The secular PLO were carrying out all sort of terrorist acts. Nowdays the they have strapped on the halo of religion. Multiple unconnected local conflicts have all branded themselves as "Muslim" like back in 1960s most insurgents adopted the leftist socialist rhetoric.

Post 1990s the leftists groups have almost disappeared and more right wing Islamists have filled their space. This is a phenomenon that can be observed from Morroco from the west all the way to Pakistan in the east. Islam has become the rallying flag around which groups gather to change the status quo. Socialist groups occupied this space right upto about 1990. Iranian revolution was major indicator of this change. Early signs were Sadat's killing, the rise of the Mujahidin aided by USA, Saudia and Pakistan and increasing Islamization in Pakistan. 1978 saw Pakistan go dry when alchohol was banned. Early 1983 women on TV came under pressure to cover head etc.

Suicide bombing was not Islamic but was adopted from LTTE in Sri Lanka who had refined to a art of war. As a example Tamil Tiger femal suicide bomber blew herself up and killed Indian PM Rajiv Gandi in 1991. It would be some years before this tactic was adopted by jihadi's. As much as there is nothing within Hinduism that subscribes to suicide bombing the same applies to Islam notwithstanding that these days often the bomber is a Muslim.

Drawing any conclusions within set historical periods leads to distorted conclusions. Looking on from 1900 to 1950 many Muslims might have concluded Christian Europe to be nothing but bunch of warlike crazed people who kill on industrial scale with mass genocide thrown in as aside dish.

Assassination of Rajiv Gandhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Manindra]

Palestinian blows himself up - Palestinian struggle or Islam?

As I don't hear Palestanians blowing themself but firing rocket & mortar & before Hamas they mostly press Arabian cause instead of Islam.

Afghan Taliban blows himself up - A Pashtun movement or Islam

And they chant Allah-Hu-Akbar & proudly declaring they are doing that for cause of Islam.

Chechen blows himself up - Chechen nationslim or Islam ?

They use nationalism & Islam both.

Pakistan TTP blows himself up - Social injustice or Islam ?

May be you didn't view their videos where they are proudly claims that they are doing to implement true version of Islam on Pakistan

The fact is there are multiple factors with the common denominator being Islam which increasingly since 1990s has been grabbed as language of rebellion against whatever injustice is percieved or where there is disorder.

The problem is suicide bombing use by extremest which recently adopted by nationalistic movement to gain support from Islamist.

The fact was LTTE were Hindu.

Can you give the proof for that as more than half of LTTE high command including LTTE chief was Christian.
Can you give me a video link where they are proudly declaring that they are doing for Hindu cause like Taliban proudly declares.

They blew themselves up in fact they were the original protypes that the various Muslim groups copied. So much for Hinusim is being peace loving because it failed to make these people 'civilized'.

As I previously said that neither LTTE was Hindu organization neither their leadership was Hindu neither they declare it then where you got this conclusion.

 

[Rajesh12379]

The fact was LTTE were Hindu.

No. They were both Hindus and Christians. Their's was an ethnic struggle, not religious.

They blew themselves up in fact they were the original protypes that the various Muslim groups copied.

Debatable. Every Muslim terrorist does it in the name of Islam though. That is not debatable.

The motive for ISIS/AQ/TTP is stated to be Shariah implementation and creation of an Islamic state with khilafa for all Muslims in the world. They have no other agenda.

Boko Haram/Shabab/Taliban and so on have a primarily Islamic agenda as well in addition to whatever other agendas they may have.

So much for Hinusim is being peace loving because it failed to make these people 'civilized'.

This is coming from self loathing. This thread is not about Hinduism and the hatred that has been drilled into each one of you towards the religion of your ancestors. Your need for justification and validation every bloody second...

They are much more civilized than the followers of the "final and perfect" and "peaceful and tolerant" religion in any case. These followers are indulging in the worst rapine, genocide, ethic cleansing, sectarian cleansing, massive slavery, booty taking...

And this is all following in the footsteps of your heroes who did the same to you earlier, before that the same happened to their ancestors, you did it to the Bangladeshis, and the vicious cycle goes on...

However, these are the ifs and buts of history. The bottom line is that for good or bad, right or wrong, Pakistan came into being over half a century ago, and need no longer justify its existence to India, the rest of the world or to its own citizens. Over a period of time, a state acquires legitimacy and a certain momentum just by virtue of its existence. It does not have to explain time and again why it was created.

You better reconcile to this and stop obsessing with Hinduism or India to justify yourself every second even now. The logic of partition and the subsequent direction you took, basically means you are a (wannabe?) Middle Eastern country, not a South Asian one.

 

[DrawingDead]

Looks like one of the passengers is speaking out.

This lady is not telling the truth

I was actually on this flight on Friday evening from ORD to DCA. I have been a reader of this forum for a long time but seeing this all over the news made me sign up so I could tell you what really happened here and hopefully stop this liar in her tracks. I was sitting close enough to her to hear everything that was said. The flight attendant came up to the lady (I believe she even took her order first in the entire cabin as she was seated in the bulkhead 7d) and took her order. She ordered a coke zero and a hot green tea with a Splenda. The flight attendant handed her a full diet coke with a cup on top and then told her that the green tea would take a few minutes and she would get it to her ASAP. The lady said very rudely and condescending to the FA that she ordered a coke zero and basically pushed the soda back to the flight attendant. The FA said she was sorry and attempted to find a coke zero for her (which she did not have many of) and told her that she could only give her a portion of the can not the full can. This is when the lady in question started to freak out and told the FA "What do you think I will use this as a weapon?! Why can't I have the whole can? I think you are discriminating against me. I need your name...." The lady just kept yelling to her "I need your name... I am being discriminated against." This is when a few passengers told her to calm down and one guy told her to "shut her mouth and she is being ridiculous over a can of coke". No one ever said anything anti-Muslim to her at all. She was the one who started screaming discrimination when she did not get what she wanted. The FA asked her numerous times if she would like anything else when the lady just basically pushed her away with a hand in her face. The lady then got onto her phone with her credit card and paid for the internet so she could start spinning this story on social media and she was never in tears. This person is a liar plain and simple and is just pulling the discrimination card.

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[Donatello]

Buddy, this story is falling apart faster than you think. Flight attendants are rolling their eyes at Ms.Ahmad's allegation.

United Hub - Shuttle America Flight 3504 - News

Just as I thought, they are being kind to what they all know as nothing more than dealing with a petulant passenger. United and associate Shuttle America are not going to come out and accuse Ms. Ahmad of lying due to her being a Muslim and one of moderate prominence. Concurrently, Ms. Ahmad will be satisfied with her 15 minutes of fame and will let this story quietly go away, stashed in the electronics archive of the Internet, since she cannot prove a thing.

Do you know why and when Ms. Ahmad's story fell apart ? When she claimed the flight attendant said a soda can is a potential weapon.

Liquids that cannot be inspected, medically verified liquids such as dietary needs are exempted, are confiscated PRIOR to boarding. Liquids that are served by the airlines are inspected and verified separately. That means it would be absurd for the flight attendant to say to Ms. Ahmad that unopened can of soda is a potential weapon when that can of soda have been cleared by the TSA long before the flight. In other words, Ms. Ahmad knew the TSA argument but placed it at the wrong location in the alleged event.

Where is the pilot who supposedly admitted his 'white male privilege' status, thereby associated guilt to United ? If this white pilot felt bad enough because of his race and walked Ms. Ahmad to a United office to file a formal complaint, surely Ms. Ahmad remember his name ? How about a copy of the complaint so she could show it on her Facebook page ? She could also give Redneck Airlines permission to post that complaint on the Internet for all to see, correct ? How about not merely give permission but insist that the complaint be made public ?

Why is CAIR, Council of American Islamic Relations, not involved ? Because no matter how willing they are to portray the US as evil, they know Ms. Ahmad have nothing to prove her story. Ms. Ahmad is supposedly a presence on several Muslim organizations and boards of leaderships, such as the ACMC (Association of College Muslim Chaplains), the Islamic Society of North America, and Inner-City Muslim Action Network, so where are they in public presence to defend Ms. Ahmad ? Does no evidence have any impact to their public absence because they do not want to embarrass themselves and their organizations ?

I guess that when I flew United, I mean Redneck Airlines, from Los Angeles to Shanghai and I was served club soda in a cup, Redneck Airlines was being subtly discriminatory against Asians and Asian-Americans. I saw the same thing done to white passengers so that mean Redneck Airlines discriminate against their own kind. What happened to that 'white privilege' with these white passengers ?

Am willing to go out on a limb here and say that the flight attendants on those oh-so-superior airlines you cited also rolled their eyes at Ms. Ahmad's story.

I too believed it was some kind of shaming incident to take advantage of social media and blackmail the company for whatever stupid lawsuit....but then why did the pilot and flight crew apologize ?