Muslim Philosopher Says Islam Has Given Birth To Monsters, Needs Reform

[420canada]

Islam created monsters? Yea ok! Now what is the west doing positive? Dropping bombs? Yea that what happens when you reform BS. Just leave them alone and I assure you they will leave you alone.

 

[AXO4D]

Compare Jews with IS? Sunni tends to have distorted mindset. They have magnify others failure while greatly downplay their own sins and crime.

Israel withdraws gaza after tactical victory. IS will murder every single man, rape and enslave 100% of women and children as per Koran teaching.

Sunni Islamofascist think everyone else are bad and deserve to die and tell everyone they Allah wanted them dead.

only difference between jew and isis is.... media is jew friendly..
the whole mess in iraq was started by your father america when they invaded iraq..
i guess iraq invasion for oil is completely justified...where are those WMD bush promised about...
who is responsible for thousand of killing during that time...
what can i say slavery at its best.

 

[rockstar08]

What's wrong with arguing for reform within Islam? There are many Muslims who still believe in primitive and barbaric interpretations of Islam, that argue in favor of pedophilia/child marriages and reduce women/non-Muslims to second class status.

there is nothing wrong in reforming , but cheap shots like this are nothing new us , you want to be famous , write a book insulting islam and their Prophets , and you will be more famous than brett pitt , within nights , and who know you will get next noble along with " Sir " title ...

 

[rockstar08]

Compare Jews with IS? Sunni tends to have distorted mindset. They have magnify others failure while greatly downplay their own sins and crime.

Israel withdraws gaza after tactical victory. IS will murder every single man, rape and enslave 100% of women and children as per Koran teaching.

Sunni Islamofascist think everyone else are bad and deserve to die and tell everyone they Allah wanted them dead.

kindly back your statement with a source , where did in Quran it says that killing anyone is justify or muslims are allowed to rape ??
you are judging islam by those who your own peoples declare terrorist , isnt that funny ?
that a muslim who work in any islamic country and serve his nation is not more famous than OBL in for west perspectives ?why making peoples like OBL and Bhadadi the representatives of islam ??
a terrorist is just a terrorist , they have their own mindset and agenda , which is not even close matching from the real islam ..... we can do the same choose some Fcuking criminals from any society and than say " oh damn look this is how hindu , Christian , catholic , jews are ..... will it be fair ??
ask your self what you would like to call the person who killed 20+ kids in USA school ?? and what will you call the guy who killed 30 youths in Norway ?????? we can simply put the blame on their church or religion . but every individual is responsible for his act .. religion or holy book has nothing to do it ...

 

[Lux de Veritas]

kindly back your statement with a source , where did in Quran it says that killing anyone is justify or muslims are allowed to rape ??
you are judging islam by those who your own peoples declare terrorist , isnt that funny ?
that a muslim who work in any islamic country and serve his nation is not more famous than OBL in for west perspectives ?why making peoples like OBL and Bhadadi the representatives of islam ??
a terrorist is just a terrorist , they have their own mindset and agenda , which is not even close matching from the real islam ..... we can do the same choose some Fcuking criminals from any society and than say " oh damn look this is how hindu , Christian , catholic , jews are ..... will it be fair ??
ask your self what you would like to call the person who killed 20+ kids in USA school ?? and what will you call the guy who killed 30 youths in Norway ?????? we can simply put the blame on their church or religion . but every individual is responsible for his act .. religion or holy book has nothing to do it ...

The Quran's Verses of Violence

Is IS a cult or is IS just Islam and nothing else? Is Inquisition non Christian or is Inquisition Christian?

In all society, there are criminals who kill and need condemn. But in Islamic countries certain crime against minorities are quasi state sanctioned.

In Pakistan, conversion to Islam by rape is tolerated. The pogroms against minorities are not persecuted.

Christian girl, 12, kidnapped, raped and beaten until she converted to Islam | Daily Mail Online
The Rape and Murder of Pakistan’s Christian Children | FrontPage Magazine

 

[dravidianhero]

You must be Indian because you only pick on Islam needlessly and ignore the facts, let me enlighten you, if you attacked and kill 1000 innocent people and destroy their families and kill their parents, than young will do desperate things, that will have no connection to Islam ,you should not blame Islam for desperation of those people who's families have been killed and homes been demolished. They have become desperate and that has nothing to do with Islam.

Aaha?Why then did thousands of new converts from Europe and america join ISIS?Why did thousands of Muslims from Saudi join the ISIS?In what way were these people oppressed?

 

[Cinder]

Nah we're not reforming. The fact that 99.9% of us are willing to follow properly means that Islam doesn't need reform

Just the eradication of extremism.

 

[Developereo]

What's wrong with arguing for reform within Islam? There are many Muslims who still believe in primitive and barbaric interpretations of Islam, that argue in favor of pedophilia/child marriages and reduce women/non-Muslims to second class status.

Because the whole concept of religious reform is a non-starter. Such a thing simply does not exist.

Each ideology, including religion, has several contemporary strains of interpretation at any given time and they jockey for relative supremacy amongst the adherents. Which particular strains gain ascendancy is affected by many factors, both internal and external.

We are told that Christianity, Judaism and Hinduism have "reformed". All that says is that the more militant wings of these ideologies have been forced to focus their energies away from fratricide and towards nonbelievers.

Militant Jews are unabashedly supremacist in their views against Palestinians Arabs. Militant Christians are the same and display that militancy in various ways, from the Washington lobbies to the Balkans to Africa. Militant Hindus are ever active against Muslims, especially in eastern India, and some Christians in the south.

The reason developed countries keep domestic religious militancy in check is not because of religious reform, but judicial and political reform. Law and order is paramount, respect for individual liberties is guaranteed because the state understands that lawlessness is the road to ruin.

The issue within the Muslim world is that the militants have gained much ground at the expense of the moderates because there is no respect for the law or individual freedoms. Extremism in Muslim societies is inversely correlated to strong governance. Countries with good governance and strong institutions of accountability -- Turkey, Malaysia, Morocco -- have low rates of extremism, while the opposite holds in Iraq, Afghanistan and (sadly) Pakistan.

 

[fallstuff]

The Muslims deserve every bit of their military humiliation under the west. By adopting a barbaric mindset deliberately, Muslims will be forever backward. They can only behave like a cowardly gangster on innocent women and children, their own Ahmadya and their own Christian.

When the west decide to throw in their divisions, Muslims thugs will flee or got slaughtered by nobody. Then Muslims will cry west killing them despite west tries to avoid collateral. Given a chance if IS types take Washington, London or Jerusalem, it will be an orgasm of rape and killing of 100% or males.

In short, Muslims know that they are weak, and they are bad. They know west and Israel and kind to them. But they do not want to admit it. They will try whatever gangster way to murder, but all this will only have negative impact on the advancement on Islamic countries.

The only way Muslims can match west in battlefield, technological field and economically is to do an Ataturk style. But their gangsterism has prevented them from going this way.



There are Israel friendly media and they are media who hate Jews. That is why Israeli Gaza war, Lebanon War get a lot of negative publicity.

This guy sounds like an Indian.

 

[420canada]

The Muslims deserve every bit of their military humiliation under the west. By adopting a barbaric mindset deliberately, Muslims will be forever backward. They can only behave like a cowardly gangster on innocent women and children, their own Ahmadya and their own Christian.

When the west decide to throw in their divisions, Muslims thugs will flee or got slaughtered by nobody. Then Muslims will cry west killing them despite west tries to avoid collateral. Given a chance if IS types take Washington, London or Jerusalem, it will be an orgasm of rape and killing of 100% or males.

In short, Muslims know that they are weak, and they are bad. They know west and Israel and kind to them. But they do not want to admit it. They will try whatever gangster way to murder, but all this will only have negative impact on the advancement on Islamic countries.

The only way Muslims can match west in battlefield, technological field and economically is to do an Ataturk style. But their gangsterism has prevented them from going this way.



There are Israel friendly media and they are media who hate Jews. That is why Israeli Gaza war, Lebanon War get a lot of negative publicity.

If you do not know Islam is not IsIs! And all this of Islam being wrong is what you are misinformed. look at history.

 

[Developereo]

Divide and rule is a deliberate American policy towards world's Muslims.

I would say it is the Zionist policy, which they are implementing using America's enormous power as leverage, to destroy and demonize Israel's enemies.

The greatest joy a man can know is to conquer his enemies and drive them before him. To ride their horses and take away their possessions. To see the faces of those who were dear to them bedewed with tears, and to clasp their wives and daughters to his arms.
-- Genghis Khan (apocryphal)

The simple man fights his enemies straight on.
The wise man divides his enemies and makes them kill each other.

As always, we accept the complicity of accomplices within the Muslim world, but that shouldn't stop us from understanding the bigger picture.

 

[Developereo]

Blasphemy laws are "compulsion", laws against homosexuality are "compulsion", laws preventing non-Muslims from becoming heads of State are "compulsion", laws preventing Ahmadis, or even some weird Hindu cult group, from calling themselves 'Muslims' are "compulsion"

Muslims societies have becoming nothing more than some form or the other of "compulsion", societies that promote hatred, intolerance and second class status for all those considered the "other".

Let's examine each of these 'compulsions'.

Blasphemy laws exist in almost every country, euphemistically called racial/religious vilification laws. The difference in Pakistan is that the laws are abused, which is a failure of governance and rule of law.

Homosexuality is marginalized in most countries, including the US. The age of consent for gays tends to be higher than for heteros in most Western jurisdictions.

For the final point, I am surprised that you, of all people, should fail to see beyond the surface into the deeper dynamics. These laws exist, not because the Muslim masses demand them, but because of power politics at the highest levels. Muslim masses are apathetic about most things, just as masses elsewhere are apathetic about national issues. ZAB made a deal with the religious power brokers because he was having trouble delivering on his promises of "Roti, kapra, aur makaan". Once again, a failure of governance gets cloaked as an Islamic issue.

 

[syedali73]

This guy sounds like an Indian.

He probably is. One can hide his identity, not foolishness.

 

[Cherokee]

I would have participated if this was by anyone else other than the current OP .

 

[Black Mamba1]

I hope you agree that in Mughal darvar there were no dearth of ulemas and mullas. Akbar and Aurangzeb followed same Koran. Akbar gave us Tansen but Music was banned item in Aurangzeb's time in Mughal court. Just imagine . within a gap of a generation how interpretation of Koran changed drastically. From Akbar's time to Aurangzeb's time ---- its a transition from a more liberal to a radical regime. We all know what happened to great Mughal empire after Aurangzeb. If Akbar's liberalism continued , the history of this subcontinents and Muslims living here would have been different. We still Each person in this subcontinent still respect Sher Sha and his 5 years rule which still influence our lives.

In the name of same book some people are killing others in a savage manner and some people are offering their live for others. This indicates that there are ample scope of versatile interpretation of Koran and Islam. This realisation may open reforms in Islam.

Request you to kindly see Amir Khan's show Satyameba Jayate to realise that the reforms are going on in Indian society too irrespective of religion.