Muslim invasion created Dalits and tribals in India, says RSS

[Indrani]

you would really prefer muslims to be like mujhaidind, hazzy and zarvan, yes?? you know that they are blundering idiots... and you know that muslims like me... real muslims... are capable of much.
but care to describe what hints to my "terrorist activity" do you see??

No I do not prefer Muslims to be like Mujhaidind, hazzy, or Zarvan. You are just another variety of the loonies out there. Frankly speaking, apart from some Saudis and some Pakistani Muslims who come across as thinking questioning individuals, I have not seen many Muslims who I would consider as not loony.

Well apart from your love for Carlos the Jackal and hints of bringing defining change to India and blow up cafes full of happy silly youngsters in it, nothing much really. But that should be enough to alert anyone of your proclivity.

nonsense... they didn't go there to hold flowers... please read my previous post.

I read your post and as usual you were fibbing. Indians did not go there in support of America but as a part of UN forces and that too only as non-combatants which you tried to spin away as capitalist forces subjugating a socialist country.

since 1945... it seems you haven't yet listened to muammar gaddafi's uno speech that i had linked... he describes the role of uno in global wars since 1945.
saddam hussain, in 2003, called the uno as "united nations of america"... and two uno secretary generals, ban ki moon and kofi annan, were openly licking boots of usa government and of other nato leaders... uno "observer missions" spied on saddam's military and syrian military... should i go on??

Oh really? As far as I know all the countries of the world are members of the UN. So perhaps all the countries are USA. Some people misusing their roles in UN and suddenly India is becoming the stooge of USA?

then kindly ask modern communist china and capitalist japan government and socialist north korea to adopt this "indian heaven"... let them have a share of glorious culture elements honor killing and caste-ism and dog-attacks and money oppressions and...

Modern communist China killed 40 million of its own citizens of hunger. Capitalist Japan seems quite in love with India though. Socialist NK is still killing its citizens and is a pariah state in the world. No thanks, you can continue to be enamored of both China and NK. In a country of 1.2 billion people you see a handful of honor killings and some dog attacks and suddenly it is the fault of our culture? Should cultural traits not be more widespread? So if honor killing is our culture, then should not half of our population have reduced by now due to rampant killings? Likewise for dog attacks.

did i say that?? what i said was the communists protesting and fears of muslims protesting was what changed the plans of the government of india and of the indian military... in fact, right now, isn't the indian army doing exercises with usa military in uttarakhand??

It was a BJP (hindutva) govt. Why the hell would it care about Muslims protesting? Or for heaven's sake the commies protesting. The same BJP govt you guys blame for 2002 Godhra riots and then claim owing to Muslim sensitivities they did not participate in Iraq attack? Do you have any common sense at all?

So Indian army exercises with half a dozen countries army. That is all about learning and keeping up to date with the latest military exercises. Nothing to do with being US' pet.

a fanatic hindu talking about justice... what a joke...

Only a fanatic Hindu can talk about justice because unlike the Muslims, the Hindu still knows right from wrong.

and if i give you the sources, will that change your attitude??

Why will I change my attitude? But yeah I will acknowledge you were right about something at least.

and what do you derive from that?? do you see the difference between his presidency and the the soviet military help to the "people's democratic republic of afghanistan" in the 1980's??

The soviet era was different. By the time of Gorbachev they had already tired of communism and wanted to get rid of it as fast as they could. Yelstin was in love with the Western system. You should have heard the latest talks by Putin where he explains there is no ideological difference between the West and Russia. There is none. Russia has embraced capitalism fully. Though it does not agree with opportunism of USA.

normal as in "gay normal" as below...??
"normal teenage boys" of ram sena attacking ladies in disco in mangalore in 2009...

Stop your nonsense. One pub attack by a deviant group and suddenly Hindutvas are the oppressors of the world. But thousands of bomb attacks all over the world and Islam is a religion of peace.

Navratri is going to commence this week and there are more girls in filmsy dressing dancing the whole nigh away at these events organized by Hindutva groups than that Ram Sene could find in that pub.

What do you have against gays? Your Gaddhafi was a cross dresser too no?

remember modi followers cutting ladies' breasts in gujarat in 2002??
or this from sept 15 2014... ( Teen Couple Hacked to Death; Police Deny Honour Killing -The New Indian Express )??
happy places indeed...

That allegation was found to be false just like another allegation by the Arundhati Roy Bitches about tearing of fetuses from wombs. Nothing they could substantiate and ran away when called on it. So what is your point about teen hacked to death? It could have been murder or some other motivated killing. I am sure even your dear Libya had murders and other crimes when your Gaddafi was ruling too.

explain which other political units.

What is there to explain? There is ABVP and I guess student unions aligned to it.

can you tell this islamist/socialist what this "our society" means??

What does it mean? The normal skirt blouses, salwar kameez, formal trousers and shirt, etc. etc. I live in Bangalore and girls walking around in shorts is becoming quite common place too. So what is your grief?

Indiots

No, thankfully while they are not very socioeconomically alert, they are good in technical stuff and science, which matters a whole lot.

There is no Burkha or forced imposition of any dress as far as I know for Hindus. Yeah, schools and colleges frown about revealing clothing but do not impose any identity obliterating dress code like Islamic Burkhas either.

@gubbi... indrani declared you also a mullah now... first she declared me that... mubaarak ho...
indrani is the ladkiyon ki zarvan... if she is indeed a ladki...

Gubbi is a Marxist who prime aim in life is to serve Islam and be ever watchful that people like me do not turn Hinduism into another Islam. LOL. If you can get this contradiction alright, you would have figured out our Marxists.

haha,,,so now,,,OBC's acquired quota status is undeservin
just because u don't consider thm to be,,
that's ur argument
sorry honey,,GOI disagrees
,OBC is not upper caste,,period
u said most docs r upper caste,,,when proven wrong,,,,,u jump to semantics, :
sore loser indeed.
ok no more circular arguments with u.
bye rhetorician

That is why we changed the GOI darling. Too much of vote bank politics. Hopefully, we will move to a system where apart from the SC/ST there wont be any quota system and even the quota for SC/ST would be time bound and removed in a few years.

OBC is upper caste. Period. Nowadays all castes want to be OBC and it is an open secret that they claim it only for the quota benefits.

Most docs are upper caste. Let me be more specific they are mostly Brahmins and Kshatriyas.

Bye fool.

 

[jamahir]

Frankly speaking, apart from some Saudis and some Pakistani Muslims who come across as thinking questioning individuals, I have not seen many Muslims who I would consider as not loony.

you consider saudis to be sensible

@Mahmoud_EGY @Syrian Lion @Ceylal @Owl of Abott @Azlan Haider @genmirajborgza786 and others...

look at this fanatic hindu female... only her type will like saudia...

Well apart from your love for Carlos the Jackal and hints of bringing defining change to India and blow up cafes full of happy silly youngsters in it, nothing much really.

keep thinking that... my lady

Oh really? As far as I know all the countries of the world are members of the UN. So perhaps all the countries are USA.

let us ask @Syrian Lion about how usa goes ahead with its plans despite presence of uno.

Some people misusing their roles in UN and suddenly India is becoming the stooge of USA?

should i list uno documents containing indian statements in favor of usa positions, regarding libya and syria??

Modern communist China killed 40 million of its own citizens of hunger.

@Ailurus fulgens @ChineseTiger1986 @Beidou2020 all other chinese members ( except india-lover @Chinese-Dragon ).

Socialist NK is still killing its citizens and is a pariah state in the world.

so says usa government and puppets ( such as yourself ) while ignoring that indian farmers commit suicide every year, with august somehow being the best month to suicide...

north korea has good relations with syria, former libyan jamahiriya, russia, cuba, pakistan, china, probably belarus, probably venezuela... many citizens of other nations... who cares about what western government think??

for me, people's democratic republic of korea ( north korea ) is a comradely socialist society... read this article ( http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2012/201211/news11/20121111-05ee.htm - "Victory of Socialism Is Inevitability of History: Rodong Sinmun" )... not many indians can write such words.

In a country of 1.2 billion people you see a handful of honor killings and some dog attacks and suddenly it is the fault of our culture? Should cultural traits not be more widespread? So if honor killing is our culture, then should not half of our population have reduced by now due to rampant killings? Likewise for dog attacks.

india in reality has about 1.3+ billion population out of which about 900 million are males... where did the females go?? do the waters and airs in india allow for only males to be born??

It was a BJP (hindutva) govt. Why the hell would it care about Muslims protesting? Or for heaven's sake the commies protesting. The same BJP govt you guys blame for 2002 Godhra riots and then claim owing to Muslim sensitivities they did not participate in Iraq attack?

fears of economic instability caused by muslims massively protesting... but bjp shouldn't have feared, because most modern "muslims" in india are fools and tools like @mujhaidind.

By the time of Gorbachev they had already tired of communism and wanted to get rid of it as fast as they could.

@senheiser @vostok @ptldM3

Stop your nonsense. One pub attack by a deviant group and suddenly Hindutvas are the oppressors of the world.

all hinduvaadis are deviants... you so easily ignore or just accept dogs ripping apart people, families doing honor killing, ladies being burned for dowry by husbands and in-laws, people discriminated on basis of money, people doing wage-slavery...

But thousands of bomb attacks all over the world and Islam is a religion of peace.

99.9 percent of those bomb attacks are done within muslim nations... and arranged by western governments ( and puppets ) and carried out by brainwashed criminals.

Navratri is going to commence this week and there are more girls in filmsy dressing dancing the whole nigh away

just wait for the "moral policing brigades" to commence their attacks... and you claim to live in bangalore, "spiritual" home of ram sena... do you remember what used to happen near brigade road pubs during new year celebrations??

at these events organized by Hindutva groups than that Ram Sene could find in that pub.

you must be drunk to say that... or must have just finished doing yoga.

Your Gaddhafi was a cross dresser too no?

he told you that, i suppose... or must be your usual sources of information... bbc. al jazeera, dainik jagran...

by the way, muammar gaddafi is the present imaam of all muslims... so take care of not insulting him.

That allegation was found to be false just like another allegation by the Arundhati Roy Bitches about tearing of fetuses from wombs. Nothing they could substantiate and ran away when called on it.

when did she run away?? or when did teesta setalvad?? or when did others??

So what is your point about teen hacked to death?

just pointing to the usual weekly dose of "honor killing" from "shining india".

It could have been murder or some other motivated killing.

absolutely... and india has not been declared "suicide capital of the world" recently... and nor has bangalore indirectly, through that declaration.

I am sure even your dear Libya had murders and other crimes when your Gaddafi was ruling too.

they were dealt with, severely.

What is there to explain? There is ABVP and I guess student unions aligned to it.

i rest my case.

What does it mean? The normal skirt blouses, salwar kameez, formal trousers and shirt, etc. etc.

there is more detail to that...

I live in Bangalore and girls walking around in shorts is becoming quite common place too. So what is your grief?

what is your opinion on those clothes??

No, thankfully while they are not very socioeconomically alert, they are good in technical stuff and science, which matters a whole lot.

i don't understand... please rephrase.

Yeah, schools and colleges frown about revealing clothing but do not impose any identity obliterating dress code like Islamic Burkhas either.

didn't i call burqa an anti-islam anti-human irani invention??

Gubbi is a Marxist who prime aim in life is to serve Islam

so you fanatic hinduvaadis have everyone else aligned against you... marxists, real muslims, christians, fake muslims...

and be ever watchful that people like me do not turn Hinduism into another Islam.

those words make you sound delusional... why would any sensible person want do to anything with hinduism except eradicate it??

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indrani, you claim to live in bangalore yet are hesitant to meet me... strange...

 

[Indrani]

you consider saudis to be sensible
@Mahmoud_EGY @Syrian Lion @Ceylal @Owl of Abott @Azlan Haider @genmirajborgza786 and others...
look at this fanatic hindu female... only her type will like saudia...

Yeah, there are people like @ mosamania and @ Yzd Khalifa who will make any country proud.

let us ask @Syrian Lion about how usa goes ahead with its plans despite presence of uno.

That the US is a law on to itself rogue country has nothing to do with UNO.

should i list uno documents containing indian statements in favor of usa positions, regarding libya and syria??

No Indian statements were not in favor of USA, rather they were against the bombing of their own people. India at no point approved of US intervention in those countries.

@Ailurus fulgens @ChineseTiger1986 @Beidou2020 all other chinese members ( except india-lover @Chinese-Dragon ).

What is there to argue about it. Stop tagging people as if they are your chaddi dosts. Every single one of them know it and acknowledge the great leap forward and what happened to their country.

so says usa government and puppets ( such as yourself ) while ignoring that indian farmers commit suicide every year, with august somehow being the best month to suicide...
north korea has good relations with syria, former libyan jamahiriya, russia, cuba, pakistan, china, probably belarus, probably venezuela... many citizens of other nations... who cares about what western government think??

Farmers commit suicide for a variety of reasons just like other people commit suicides. What does that have to do with NK killing its people. I doubt NK has friendly relations with any country other than China and Pakistan. Even there China is rather wary of NK.

india in reality has about 1.3+ billion population out of which about 900 million are males... where did the females go?? do the waters and airs in india allow for only males to be born??

LOL. Last I saw according to all stats there were at least 600+ million females in India and 600+ males. Now where you got your figure of 900 million males god only knows. My family is extremely family oriented and the number of cousins who keep getting married I have just lost track. Not a single one had any problem finding a bride for themselves. So I do not know which lunatic asylum you ran away from, but your facts and figures need massive revisions.

fears of economic instability caused by muslims massively protesting... but bjp shouldn't have feared, because most modern "muslims" in india are fools and tools like @mujhaidind.

There is no such thing as massive economic instability caused by Muslims protesting in India. One Raza Academy kind of protest in Mumbai countered by one Raj Thackery rally, and the Muslims seem to have got their behavior under control.

all hinduvaadis are deviants... you so easily ignore or just accept dogs ripping apart people, families doing honor killing, ladies being burned for dowry by husbands and in-laws, people discriminated on basis of money, people doing wage-slavery...

Who ignored dogs ripping apart people? Last I remember people lynched down a lot of dogs when such a thing happened in Bangalore. Families doing honor killing is more of an Islamic trait, unfortunately adopted by Islamized Hindus. Dowry deaths are considered a crime and I know of no Hindu organization who promote dowry killing. I do not see any discrimination based on money either. The same roads and public transport is used by everyone in India. You pay the fare and use the service. Which is the normal lawful way of doing things world over. Working for a salary is another lawful way of earning a living the world over.

99.9 percent of those bomb attacks are done within muslim nations... and arranged by western governments ( and puppets ) and carried out by brainwashed criminals.

All of those bombings are carried out by Muslims financed by Muslims (Saudi).

just wait for the "moral policing brigades" to commence their attacks... and you claim to live in bangalore, "spiritual" home of ram sena... do you remember what used to happen near brigade road pubs during new year celebrations??

As far as I know pubs function fine in Bangalore. What happens during new year's eve on Brigade Roads is the roads are jam packed with people and it is only lunatics who are out there at that time of night and year.

he told you that, i suppose... or must be your usual sources of information... bbc. al jazeera, dainik jagran...
by the way, muammar gaddafi is the present imaam of all muslims... so take care of not insulting him.

Well it is a well known fact and plenty of photos around to show. LOL on Gaddafi being the imam of all Muslims.

they were dealt with, severely.

Likewise in India too.

i rest my case.

What was there to rest your case? I did say if political units other than commies are winning student body elections in India then it is a darn good thing for India.

there is more detail to that...

What more detail would there be other than the obvious variety of choices Indian students have to wear to their colleges.

what is your opinion on those clothes??

They are okay and fine clothes provided one has legs to carry it off. Too many girls look too cute in them including girls in my family.

i don't understand... please rephrase.

It is not necessary for the whole population of India to be politically aware. They are contributing members of society and well qualified to do whatever job they do and are law abiding citizens is enough.

didn't i call burqa an anti-islam anti-human irani invention??

No it was not an Irani invention, rather it is the Saudi invention which was imposed on Iran.

so you fanatic hinduvaadis have everyone else aligned against you... marxists, real muslims, christians, fake muslims...

Well it is a fact that Abrahamic religions are looked down upon in all Dharmic countries. Marxism since it follows Abrahamic philosophies so closely is a natural enemy of Dharma.

those words make you sound delusional... why would any sensible person want do to anything with hinduism except eradicate it??

LOL. Given the world is adopting all Hindu thoughts and ideas, I would say you are on the losing end. People are not adopting yoga, meditation, kirtans, bhajans, etc. etc. the world over just simply. Mind you, it is most the more educated ones who adopt Hindu practices. The jail birds on the other hand adopt some other religions.

indrani, you claim to live in bangalore yet are hesitant to meet me... strange...

What is so strange in not wanting to meet a Carlos the Jackal's fan? Do I look like a person who is eager to get beheaded?

 

[Kabira]

Seem like before muslim invasions Indian hindus were one big happy family.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

He posts about St. Thomas and god knows how many times it has been proved on PDF how the whole story of St. Thomas is a hoax.

Since EVERYTHING he posted was wrong, I have stopped taking him seriously.

can anyone tell me why all the indian members of this forum are either brahman or from related superior castes?

any dalit/shurdas around?

Dalit and Shudras are DIFFERENT.

I am a Nair and come under Shudras in the Kerala Varna system. Though our hereditary trade was warfare, much like the Samurai.

Dalits are OUT-CASTES who came from ALL Varnas and who later became AVarna.

Do you get it ?

 

[Kabira]

Since EVERYTHING he posted was wrong, I have stopped taking him seriously.



Dalit and Shudras are DIFFERENT.

I am a Nair and come under Shudras in the Kerala Varna system. Though our hereditary trade was warfare, much like the Samurai.

Dalits are OUT-CASTES who came from ALL Varnas and who later became AVarna.

Do you get it ?

Nope, dalits are original inhabitant of India before brahmins invaded and toke their place. It was cultural invasion because brahmins are docile in nature. But invasion non the less.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

so in student union election in indian colleges now, is it the communist parties who win or is it the hinduvaadi parties?? how many colleges in india don't have imposition of "indian" dress code?? of course, indian "muslim" students are not becoming socialist either... burqas are the norm nowadays among bangalore and mangalore college students from what i have observed.

My graduation was Engineering and there was no political party affiliation in my collage election.

However the natural evolutions of political thought is first you are a communist, then you become a socialist and then you become a capitalist. So I assume most student bodies are communists.

But what has dress code got to do with this ? that has got to do with failing law and order in society, and college authorities not wanting incidences on their premises.

Nope, dalits are original inhabitant of India before brahmins invaded and toke their place. It was cultural invasion because brahmins are docile in nature. But invasion non the less.

Clearly you are the expert

 

[Indrani]

Dalits are OUT-CASTES who came from ALL Varnas and who later became AVarna.

Not all Dalits are out-castes. We forget the constant loss of forest habitat and the movement of people out of forests to the towns and villages. So people who are classified as Dalits today are not necessarily outcastes. Most of Dalits had traditions like pottery, basket weaving, broom making, and stuff like that or trading in forest produce.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

So the Dalits didnt exist before Islam came to the sub-continent? What about the whole untouchables in the society who were socially discriminated and ostracized?

Thats exactly why many people turned to Islam.

Already answered earlier. # 190 & # 237

Not all Dalits are out-castes. We forget the constant loss of forest habitat and the movement of people out of forests to the towns and villages. So people who are classified as Dalits today are not necessarily outcastes. Most of Dalits had traditions like pottery, basket weaving, broom making, and stuff like that or trading in forest produce.

No, pretty much all dalits were Avarnas. Once they lost their caste by eating beef or killing cows ore dealing in leather etc, they became outcastes and their children and their children then existed on the fringes of society. The point of the article was they were made to do these things on purpose to make them loose their caste status and use Hinduism own system against it.

Over time the original sin was forgotten and this system was codified. Their original casts would have been pottery, weaving etc. or then again it might have been a trade they learnt for survival after loosing their castes.

I don't doubt some tribals too moved into society and became part of this mass of Avarnas. But the majority of them came from other caste members loosing their caste status.

 

[Indrani]

Already answered earlier. # 190 & # 237



No, pretty much all dalits were Avarnas. Once they lost their caste by eating beef or killing cows ore dealing in leather etc, they became outcastes and their children and their children then existed on the fringes of society. The point of the article was they were made to do these things on purpose to make them loose their caste status and use Hinduism own system against it.

Over time the original sin was forgotten and this system was codified. Their original casts would have been pottery, weaving etc. or then again it might have been a trade they learnt for survival after loosing their castes.

I don't doubt some tribals too moved into society and became part of this mass of Avarnas. But the majority of them came from other caste members loosing their caste status.

At 20+% population of current India, I doubt the criminal section of the society would have been so big. Also I do not know of people in my community who eat beef or deal in leather. The most abhorrent work indulged in by some people in my community according to my cousins was selling pork. The way they described it was as if there could not be any lowlier work than that in the world.

 

[Icewolf]

Oh my god, radical Hindus are really funny people

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

At 20+% population of current India, I doubt the criminal section of the society would have been so big. Also I do not know of people in my community who eat beef or deal in leather. The most abhorrent work indulged in by some people in my community according to my cousins was selling pork. The way they described it was as if there could not be any lowlier work than that in the world.

What do you mean "criminal section" ? The very fact that such a large population of India became outcastes is the sure indicators that they were forced into that position by the islamic invaders. The standard practice of the islamic invaders were to forced the captured population eat beef, kill cows etc thus making them outcastes and thus easier prey for conversion.

But the flip side is that such social action also ensured that Hindus remained hindus against such heavy odds. Otherwise India too would have become a muslim country like Iran or Egypt. Even those who were forced into being outcastes hated the muslims for doing this to them.

But a lot of them converted to islam too. That is why the majority of muslims in India are from the dalit community. The conversion would have taken centuries.

Just because they were Forced to eat beef ONCE or twice, it would not mean they would loose their cultural mooring. They would have reverted back to their original hindu state after the immediate invation was over, but their outcaste status would remain until someone took the initiative to help them do prayaschitta and help them regain their castes. But with the invaders destroying temple sand killing the brahmins, who were left to guide them back ?

I guess selling pork was a way of getting back at the muslims, or could just have been economic necessity. Either way the tragedy on Indian society was too great and continues to create friction. There should have been a massive Hindu movement to bring back the Dalits back into the castes, but by the time british arrived and further used this divisions for their own purpose and the fissure just widened.

Hopefully the future will be much better.


You must have heard or Sant. Dnyaneshwar in the 13th century who's parents had lost their brahmin castes status and became out castes. His parents gave up their lives as they could not tolerate the sin they were forced to do. However their son was welcomed back into the brahmin castes as he was a great scholar of Hinduism and later spent his entire life trying to bring dalits back into Hindu folds. Most of his work are in the local language Prakrit though he was a sanskrit scholar.

 

[Icewolf]

What do you mean "criminal section" ? The very fact that such a large population of India became outcastes is the sure indicators that they were forced into that position by the islamic invaders. The standard practice of the islamic invaders were to forced the captured population eat beef, kill cows etc thus making them outcastes and thus easier prey for conversion.

But the flip side is that such social action also ensured that Hindus remained hindus against such heavy odds. Otherwise India too would have become a muslim country like Iran or Egypt. Even those who were forced into being outcastes hated the muslims for doing this to them.

But a lot of them converted to islam too. That is why the majority of muslims in India are from the dalit community. The conversion would have taken centuries.

Just because they were Forced to eat beef ONCE or twice, it would not mean they would loose their cultural mooring. They would have reverted back to their original hindu state after the immediate invation was over, but their outcaste status would remain until someone took the initiative to help them do prayaschitta and help them regain their castes. But with the invaders destroying temple sand killing the brahmins, who were left to guide them back ?

I guess selling pork was a way of getting back at the muslims, or could just have been economic necessity. Either way the tragedy on Indian society was too great and continues to create friction. There should have been a massive Hindu movement to bring back the Dalits back into the castes, but by the time british arrived and further used this divisions for their own purpose and the fissure just widened.

Hopefully the future will be much better.

What are you Hindus taught in RSS camps hahahahahaaaa

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

What are you Hindus taught in RSS camps hahahahahaaaa

You have exposed me

 

[abjktu]

He posts about St. Thomas and god knows how many times it has been proved on PDF how the whole story of St. Thomas is a hoax.

Their were converts from both high and low castes including Syrian Jewish immigrant traders.....