Musharraf VS Imran Khan: Who is best at handling foreign policy ?

[Leader]

Both were friends in past,and may again in future

mmmmuuuahahahahha.................

 

[S.M.R]

even on this level you cannot compare IK with mush. since IK has transformed into a new person, a muslim to begin with... while mush is still what he was...characterless... and there is nothing known change in his thoughts....

100 choohay pooray ho gayay? Lol..

Well I sincerely respect IK in all aspects, even I am a person of type who like keep personal matters away from professional matters. Imran is good even excellent. Normally person gets involve in corruption due to greed of money and to become famous. Imran was fortunate enough of already possessing both of them. So he is not corrupt at all, might be the reason he was not 'able' to? as Pakistan main shareef wohi hai jissay 'Moqa nahi mila'.
Since Imran was never in Power so what ever he says is yet to be proved. Every party's manifesto is to make pakistan heaven. We need to experiment Imran that how will he manage whatever he is doing buland o baagh daway. I respect his views, as those are of a common Pakistani.

We have seen the Musharraf era, his policies, all might not be correct, but far better than those of other parties. The one thing about Imran which I dont like that he joined hands with the corrupt politicians just to get rid of Musharraf. Democracy is a beauty if that is result of some literate people, otherwise democracy becomes 'revenge' (like our current democracy).

IK is a good leader in deed, but Mush has the quality to do whatever he says, and he does it with courage.

 

[S.M.R]

yes, but musharraf did a very good insaf ???

means? plz elaborate.

 

[S.M.R]

Yes, he represent our NATION, he played well with his cards, whats wrong with it ? this is what corrupt people like him do...

and how did he got elected is exactly the result of NOT following the Procedures...Institutionalization of the power is required, and that comes through procedures and process...which military boots have destroyed every now and then...

but as long as our constitution doesnot allow military interference, we should not support any dictator for the sake of our state... we the commoners must get strong to defend our state, the state which is because of us, not because of its institution called military.

if theocracy is giving results, if British Raj is giving results,if talibees are giving results, what will you say?

i m getting confused, lol.

To you a 'corrupt person' is acceptable if chosen by Nation?

 

[Leader]

100 choohay pooray ho gayay? Lol..

Well I sincerely respect IK in all aspects, even I am a person of type who like keep personal matters away from professional matters. Imran is good even excellent. Normally person gets involve in corruption due to greed of money and to become famous. Imran was fortunate enough of already possessing both of them. So he is not corrupt at all, might be the reason he was not 'able' to? as Pakistan main shareef wohi hai jissay 'Moqa nahi mila'.
Since Imran was never in Power so what ever he says is yet to be proved. Every party's manifesto is to make pakistan heaven. We need to experiment Imran that how will he manage whatever he is doing buland o baagh daway. I respect his views, as those are of a common Pakistani.

We have seen the Musharraf era, his policies, all might not be correct, but far better than those of other parties. The one thing about Imran which I dont like that he joined hands with the corrupt politicians just to get rid of Musharraf. Democracy is a beauty if that is result of some literate people, otherwise democracy becomes 'revenge' (like our current democracy).

IK is a good leader in deed, but Mush has the quality to do whatever he says, and he does it with courage.

900 ho gai hain

he has everything, even by the looks of his face, no comparison whatsoever.... speculation wont take you anywhere...just avoid envy, it helps alot to know what Imran Khan is.
Yes he is yet to be tested. and surely will prove to be worthy of it. unlike others Buland o Baagh Daway,

he always says Objectives should not be compromised... and he sticks with it.

no comments on what musharraf brough to this country... we all know whose mess is this... dont single out musharraf from it...they were all in it...

 

[S.M.R]

900 ho gai hain

he has everything, even by the looks of his face, no comparison whatsoever.... speculation wont take you anywhere...just avoid envy, it helps alot to know what Imran Khan is.
Yes he is yet to be tested. and surely will prove to be worthy of it. unlike others Buland o Baagh Daway,

he always says Objectives should not be compromised... and he sticks with it.

no comments on what musharraf brough to this country... we all know whose mess is this... dont single out musharraf from it...they were all in it...

What if IK and Mush join hands together??? as IK said he is ready to make coalition with ANY one except______.

 

[Leader]

i m getting confused, lol.

To you a 'corrupt person' is acceptable if chosen by Nation?

yes, since he would eventually be replaced by someone in 5 years time, and Nation will be the process to improve itself for the next time....as compared to any military dictator who violate my, your and ours political rights to begin with...

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

No one talks about Musharraf only a handful e-supporters. I wonder when Musharraf himself is going to give up on Alcohol? Isn't this hypocrisy that he consumes alcohol, watched shows of dancing Shahida Minni, brought that Roshan Khayali to our people but yet he used a religion card to deceive the masses of Pakistan - All Pakistan Muslim League. If it is not hypocrisy and deception, then what it is?

i just wanna know my dear that since u accused that musharraf is a hard core drinker i want a proof ok nothing more and nothing less second tell me my dear which politician isnot a drinker which politicion is not a pimp good are only those who dont get caught third this point aside i just wanna know how did u assume that since his spokeperson was found with sharab he is a drinker too yara plz dont get emotional reply with reason and politeness

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

i just wanna know my dear that since u accused that musharraf is a hard core drinker i want a proof ok nothing more and nothing less second tell me my dear which politician isnot a drinker which politicion is not a pimp good are only those who dont get caught third this point aside i just wanna know how did u assume that since his spokeperson was found with sharab he is a drinker too yara plz dont get emotional reply with reason and politeness

To stupid members who would assume that i am promoting a burai just because every one does it all i was saying is that this cant be the criteria cause if that the case why did ppp came to power they to are hard core drinker yet ppl voted for them i was just replying to that person this logic i dont care was he a drinker or not all i know is that under him pakistani economy was at its best that all that matters

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

Specify your claims and back it up with valid arguments which must reflect his past record.




A dictator is one big threat to this country's survival - ie Adolf hitler who came into power through ballet.




How well ? i think he destroyed this country from within , from Pashtuns to Baloch all are turning against Pakistan just because of the ruthless "you wont know what hit you" policies -- you call it international stature - one has to be out of his mind to believe you.



Bring the statics ! im waiting.



Yet Musharraf created more and more enemies ! Angered balochs , Pashtuns , attacked a Mosque ! - you call that "creating friends" ? i disagree and rather call it absolute lunacy.


Yet he never refused aid - Pakistan is in this mess because of his mind boggling policies regarding war on terror - his decisions have cost us 60 plus billion dollars so far in economic loss.



Imran is not preaching "surrender" to terrorists - he is rather preaching the path of "debate , reconciliation & negotiations" - your cheap shot at Imran has just back fired !



Do you think we already are not isolated ? My God i am starting to have doubts in your sanity ! -- Holland pulled out of Afghanistan years ago are they Isolated ? NO they have actually survived the global economic crunch by ending their policy over WOT & now everyone else in EU is paying the price for their stupidity.




Elaborate more & back your claims with valid proofs which can be verified in recent history -- mindless dogmas are not accepted.



How exactly ?



How do you know that his party members are unaware of his policies over WOT if so why his party members join him in Dharnas ?

you are just making yourself look like a fool.

how about ataturk or mahatir muhammad how about that jewish dictator in utopia who has brought utopia from drought a regional power in Africa. that logic of ur is invaldid and literally stupid .for all i know democracy to is a threat to pakistan s well

 

[Kompromat]

how about ataturk or mahatir muhammad how about that jewish dictator in utopia who has brought utopia from drought a regional power in Africa. that logic of ur is invaldid and literally stupid .for all i know democracy to is a threat to pakistan s well

How is all that relevant to what i said ? - Democracy is a threat to Pakistan -- yes to delusional dictatorial morons like you.

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

How is all that relevant to what i said ? - Democracy is a threat to Pakistan -- yes to delusional dictatorial morons like you.

well it is cause democracy is for the country where people are educated they are not slaves neither under the rule of feudal lords this country has both people who lack brains people who lack education a country with record low middle class a country where people believe every thing that is thrown at them yes democracy may be the best system but its not for this country of that i am also certain at least not now every one has different opinion and so have i but that doesn't allow u to go personally out for me after all there is a saying that "if he starts preaching his thoughts by attacking other then either he is paranoid or he never had any decent parents to began with "

 

[z9-ec]

Abottabad happened because our military and civilian Govt. is addicted to US aid. Had this been any other country, she would have had protested strongly in UN and other foras. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. So no comparisons between post 9/11 and Abottabad raid.

How is it not? who was UBL? what was he accused of?

@ Moha 19

No one is playing cheap here. The real question is why Musharraf himself is using the Religion Card to deceive the masses but on other hand he promotes Roshan Khayali? Refer to my post no 60 please.

By that logic, whats your opinion of Jinnah and Iqbal?

double standards.

All I see is disgisting rhetoric by PTI supporters rather than a constructive debate. You're own leader is accused of countless things.

I would rather have someone who drinks alcohol than someone who is going to surrender to the murderers of countless thousands.

@ Moha 19

No one is playing cheap here. The real question is why Musharraf himself is using the Religion Card to deceive the masses but on other hand he promotes Roshan Khayali? Refer to my post no 60 please.

And why is Imran Khan hiding behind a veil of JUSTICE.

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE FOR 35k PAKISTANIS. Just answer this simple question.

 

[Leader]

What if IK and Mush join hands together??? as IK said he is ready to make coalition with ANY one except______.

What if IK and Mush join hands together??? as IK said he is ready to make coalition with ANY one except______.

well for that musharraf would first need to come to Pakistan, find his party members, ask pardon for the crimes he committed, declare his assets, face charges of crimes he committed, face trial, and get hanged for the murderers of political leaders and citizens, if survived, then he would be required to come to PTI and ask for coalition.... then PTI executive committee will consider his application...

by the way, PTI has already stated "no compromise on objectives"

we will consider his application for coalition after that...

 

[z9-ec]

Specify your claims and back it up with valid arguments which must reflect his past record.

I have already. His diplomatic credentials are self explanatory relations with countries from Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey and countless others improved during his tenure.

How is that not enough proof?

NOT EVEN KSA WILL SUPPORT IK! in his quest to surrender to the extremists.

A dictator is one big threat to this country's survival - ie Adolf hitler who came into power through ballet.

HOW CAN YOU CALL SOMEONE WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH A DICTATOR?

btw well ? i think he destroyed this country from within , from Pashtuns to Baloch all are turning against Pakistan just because of the ruthless "you wont know what hit you" policies -- you call it international stature - one has to be out of his mind to believe you.

Imran Khan repudiates tribal traditions that are inhumane and against human rights. It's disgusting.

The tribals you speak of reject Pakistan in totality. They do not respect our laws, culture, constitution. They harbour fugitives that are most wanted men in the Pakistan if not the world.

We built schools, hospitals, roads and etc. Those radical tribal leaders blew them up on the basis of not being in their interests.

What will IK do? surrender to these fanatic lunatics running the tribal areas? let the anarchist take over?

Make no mistake Pakistan's law and rights are for everyone not only for the people in urban areas. They reject our way of life. Not acceptable.

Bring the statics ! im waiting.

GO LOOK FOR THEM ON IMF, ADB, WB and other sources available.

Only people with mental instability or vision disorders would deny it.

Yet Musharraf created more and more enemies ! Angered balochs , Pashtuns , attacked a Mosque ! - you call that "creating friends" ? i disagree and rather call it absolute lunacy.

WHAT ABOUT THE 35,000 PAKISTANIS KILLED BY THESE LUNATICS!

How is surrendering to criminals JUSTICE!!??

Yet he never refused aid - Pakistan is in this mess because of his mind boggling policies regarding war on terror - his decisions have cost us 60 plus billion dollars so far in economic loss.

Good lord, utterly disgusting.

HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN ABOTTABAD?

Not even a mentally instable patient would deny the existence of god knows how many MURDERERS in those tribal areas. I fully support force against the monsterous scumbags hiding there.

Why are you soo worried about what WoT cost us. WHY DO YOU NOT QUESTION WHAT THE TALIBANS AND AQ COST US!!!

Imran is not preaching "surrender" to terrorists - he is rather preaching the path of "debate , reconciliation & negotiations" - your cheap shot at Imran has just back fired !

What Imran Khan is preaching equates to surrender. No other way to look at it.

Unless, you consider dialogue with criminals as just cause. Ridiculous.

Do you think we already are not isolated ? My God i am starting to have doubts in your sanity ! -- Holland pulled out of Afghanistan years ago are they Isolated ? NO they have actually survived the global economic crunch by ending their policy over WOT & now everyone else in EU is paying the price for their stupidity.

Bhai sahab, YOU HAVE NO IDEA what isolation is. Ask the people who witnessed post 98 PAKISTAN.

Ask the North Koreans.

Elaborate more & back your claims with valid proofs which can be verified in recent history -- mindless dogmas are not accepted.

YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED.

How do you know that his party members are unaware of his policies over WOT if so why his party members join him in Dharnas ?

Pleaseee! I'm dieing to know how Imran Khan plans to deal with radicals and extremists. By surrendering to criminals?

you are just making yourself look like a fool.

Who are you to judge me? history will judge us.

Only cowards who surrender to oppressive and suppression.