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Musharraf says he brought real democracy to Pakistan

He is not confusing suicide bombings & drone strikes to real democracy.. or is he? :undecided:
 
I'm only gonna say this and let you be the judge:
Local Government

This is the system Switzerland use, and they have the best democracy.
While politicians, will never go near any system looking like, local govts.
 
This is the system Switzerland use, and they have the best democracy.
While politicians, will never go near any system looking like, local govts.
That is why Musharraf's statement is legit of introducing that system because he has done that in the past and this idea earn his popularity due to Musharraf itself and I dont think he would go against anticipations if he comes to power because he still has people on opposing side.
 
For all the bad things Mushie brought to Pakistan, ie, terrorism, load shedding, PPP; i still have to agree with his statement. The free hand he gave to the media was unprecedented, and the electoral system is pretty close to legit although definitely not foolproof.
 
For all the bad things Mushie brought to Pakistan, ie, terrorism, load shedding, PPP; i still have to agree with his statement. The free hand he gave to the media was unprecedented, and the electoral system is pretty close to legit although definitely not foolproof.
So you agree that Musharraf is good for Democracy to flourish in Pakistan. If that is the case then its a start and if Armed forces backed him then all those mess you mentioned can be reversed as well. BTW all those mess was Natural phenomenon which was meant to happened one day or the other as things had already been cocking since 90's lost Decade of Pakistan.
 
yes by ruling Pakistan by forming pmlq and then handing over this real democracy to ppp and pmln by doing NRO with ppp and giving punjab to pmln

we are enjoying the really real democracy from 2008 up till now and God knows when we will get free from it
 
yes by ruling Pakistan by forming pmlq and then handing over this real democracy to ppp and pmln by doing NRO with ppp and giving punjab to pmln

we are enjoying the really real democracy from 2008 up till now and God knows when we will get free from it
PTI is missing from the list which tells the reason for this beef of yours. PTI was also Approached but they demanded 100 Seats in 2002 Elections which couldnt Granted on that Stage because PTI wasnt Capable of Getting 20 seats let alone 100 Back then so it was Democratic Decision no doubt.
 
yes by ruling Pakistan by forming pmlq and then handing over this real democracy to ppp and pmln by doing NRO with ppp and giving punjab to pmln

we are enjoying the really real democracy from 2008 up till now and God knows when we will get free from it

This is what i called hallucinated PTI.

So... are you saying he forced Imran Khan to stay out of elections, or he rigged elections? or he used Imran Khan to demand his own resignation, while being as most powerful president and army chief? and setup agitation against himself, for reinstatement of a criminal, whom he fired himself! Than you will say he paid asma jehangir and hamid mir to do tv shows against him.
PMLQ was far far better people than PTI, i see no issues there, neither one man should be credited for all the good work.

truth is one man lead Pakistan to its disaster i.e. Imran Khan. who is a signatory of aka charter of democracy, where it was decided that rule of Pakistan, will be shared among political parties.
 
I have to admit - it did seem like Musharaf brought a number of aspects of democracy, certainly better than other non-military rulers of Pakistan. Ofcpurse I am following from a distance so I'm sure there will be nuances I may miss.

I don't recall Pakistani press EVER being as free as it was during Musharraf's 2nd half.

He would have been a GREAT ruler of Pakistan but for two things: 1) he did seem to bear too much of anti-India animosity; all Pakistani rulers are bound to have some of that but Musharraf's commando background probably interfered with his ability to contain when he had to become a statesman - he just couldn't. and 2) he had probably the best relationship with a US president than almost anyother Pakistani ruler ever had (including Ayub) but he failed to capitalize on that.

From an Indian point of view it was a big gamble that India just did not know how to control. Musharraf, because he sounded to be such a decent and capable guy, could have brought rest of Pakistan to a reasonable solution with India, given he could control clergy as well with the military (? may be) OR he could have let the warrior instinct take over and start something big.

I guess a dictator never can ever become anything else in the ultimate analysis
 

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