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Musharraf faces exile

Lmao but i would add one thing and correct you . He is Mr Musharraf and he will never be a position below President. That day is not far may be 5 years or less when you will see this guy's rise as the President of Pakistan mark my words today Aug5th 09. Just see how things roll and i see he is already on a right track. SC verdict was just to get the old judges back. A good advice wait and watch. " he is 65 years old and if he live long enough Inshah Allah you will see him as your President again":smitten:
Moha, I hate to interrupt your thoughts, much as I respect your views-

It should be haughty for anyone to think he/she is indispensible - no one is, not even the Strongman Musharraf.
Don't you think that there may be others in your country that may do much much better than Musharraf. I should surely like to think so.
And I do not also think that you should sit tight for another five years for Musharraf's return. It is you 'the people' that can make a difference and perhaps Musharraf can join in the afterglow.
 
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Liked those thoughts, SeaGull. We, Pakistanis tend to look towards others for doing what is supposed to be done by ourselves. Therefore, our society has become personality oriented instead of institutionalized.
 
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Liked those thoughts, SeaGull. We, Pakistanis tend to look towards others for doing what is supposed to be done by ourselves. Therefore, our society has become personality oriented instead of institutionalized.
Same is the problem here, buddy. Thanks
 
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I also think it is important for Pakistan to move on beyond this - Musharraf Mania

Musharraf has had a long long stay in Power, if he has given you electricity and other modern amenities - he has also presented you with a fraught and distraught identity.
Surely there should be people in your country on their drawing boards at work right now for putting this Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Good wishes to you all
 
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Same is the problem here, buddy. Thanks
If you read my post it will clear you from what you thought of me my brother, My post was a response to my other brother lol in a naughty way..... I strongly believe that we have alot of good people way better then Musharraf but they are not on the top and with reality our nation will not bring non of them up instead we will push them back deep back on the ground and raise Bhutto's and Sharifs familys. What options do we have, Imran khan ? he is too thick headed if he comes to power we are doomed since he will be happy not attacking terrorists. PMLQ they can't work unless they have a dictator to dictated them, MQM forget it rest of Pakistan won't except them nore, "even though on the lighter note they have paid their Kufarrah hahah same as NS and Bhutto's so called kuffarah" Tell me or ask my all the members to be realistic and point one guy who will lead this nation. I tell you, it would be NS for year or two and then our people will see his real face one more time and we will be left with MQM,PMLQ,Imran's party THI or something like that. But who will lead this country i don't think any of them with out army on the top of them, Mark my new words. Se iam a realistic person even though i act like not one when i talk about Musharraf coming to power but Allah knows the best. I bet you there will be another Marshell Law in this decade and i will support it and this time Army should kill every single Sharif Bhutto Altaf husains family members along with these crooks. It's harsh but true with these people we will be in trouble. Once they are gone we will see the rise of New Pakistan with the power in the Direct hand of Public Amin:pakistan:
 
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I also think it is important for Pakistan to move on beyond this - Musharraf Mania

Musharraf has had a long long stay in Power, if he has given you electricity and other modern amenities - he has also presented you with a fraught and distraught identity.
Surely there should be people in your country on their drawing boards at work right now for putting this Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Good wishes to you all
I pray and there is a saying in Urdu app key mo meh gee shaker hahah Amin. I believe in one thing Allah say in Quran i give people thier leaders just like them. Lately we all are wrong. But Inshah Allah we will have some work done and Allah will bring a new face who will lead us to the top of the world amin:pakistan:
 
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I pray and there is a saying in Urdu app key mo meh gee shaker hahah Amin. I believe in one thing Allah say in Quran i give people thier leaders just like them. Lately we all are wrong. But Inshah Allah we will have some work done and Allah will bring a new face who will lead us to the top of the world amin:pakistan:
I can join in this prayer of yours, Moha/
 
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^^^ I may, if I am alive then, be the first to send him congratulations through DF if he is elected through constitutional measures. But, there is a big NO for any unconstitutional act for any person.
And i respect your thoughts my brother.:smitten::pakistan:
 
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This is your jazbaat speaking. Pakistan has been raped and pillaged in much more brazen manner than anything you can pile up under Musharraf. Currently, true to our form, the nation is angry at the "Jernail" who is being blamed for all of the past sins as if the decade of the 90s had nothing to do with setting back the Pakistan of today. Our nation is always angry because the leaders never take charge and the buck passes on to anyone over whom the nation can vent. The PPP and PML-N must be thanking their lucky stars that they can blame the past military leadership since they are clearly incapable of dealing with Pakistan's challenges and know that in the face of this failure, the only salvation lies with keeping the nation distracted on the personalities of the past who in actuality have done much less harm than what their current inaction or action is doing.

Blain with all due respect, Though I agree that Musharaff might have been a better leader than both Nawaz Sharif and Zardari but If we are to bring in the past then lets begin from the beginning. After our first prime minister was shot down and Pakistan suffered from an era of uncertain political climate, It was a "Jernail" who set a coup for the fist time in the country and since then our political system has not recovered.

Our Army generals have not let our political system to get mature in the name of good governance and better system. Though I do not give the politicians a clean chit but certainly they are not alone to be held responsible. A Big reason that we have politicians like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari is the interference of our army in our politics every 10 years or so. Heck all the politicans of pakistan today are brain childs of ISI and Pak army with some exceptions. So why blame only the politicians?

Musharaff was the so-called saviour of the country but then every general was according to his own followers, Whats new? So does this mean we'll never let the political system get mature and "Aadha teetar Aaadha batteer'' system shall prevail forever? Who created numerous Muslim Leagues?I ask you that Who created Q- league? Who had brought the ''Lota-cracy'' system in our politics? These all are results of our dictators and Musharaff too did not do any good to the existing system in fact he spoiled it further.

India, China and Pakistan got independence at more or less the same time, why is it that India and China progressed and made their systems better with every decade gone by? Whereas we still are debating about whether to punish the dictator or not? Its because they stick to their constitution and systems their prime leaders chose for themselves. Do you think things were different in India? No they were not. They also had to deal with similar corrupt and useless politicians but they continued with their system only to make it better. And mind you that piece of paper does matter!

Had Musharaff not interfered in the system, We might have had a far better democratic system in 2009 than we had in 1999. people need to understand that we have to start somwhere.

If you are asking me, I'd rather have Every body, Yes every body tried in the courts Dead or alive including Musharaff, Nawaz Sharif, Zulfiqar ali bhutto and Asif Zardari. This nation cannot go forward untill its past has been settled!!!:pakistan:
 
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I am not discounting Musharraf's mistakes. I have not done that on any of the threads. What is fairly disconcerting is the way all evils are being shoved to his corner without the realization that something has been wrong on the civilian side too.

What you state above is no different than the 60 year old Chicken or the egg dilemma that has been discussed in Pakistan. There are arguments against the military intervention and then there are arguments against the civilian inclination to let the military drift in. I am sure there are flaws on both sides.

I am fine with your very last proposal. This is exactly what justice would be. However you cannot have justice only on Musharraf's expense. That is simply revenge for NS and company. They do not deserve that.
 
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Calm down , LITTLE ONE.

Chinese people respect Mr. Musharaff is a fact, no matter how much

you BARK about it, who care?

Now relax, go enjoy a bottle of your indegenous soft drink.:cheers:


:pakistan::china:


I heard, a happy meal from Beijing's "Guo-li-zhuang" restaurent can give more relaxation than our indegenous soft drink.:azn:

u r keep skipping from the question. every claim need to be prooved, if chinese people really love (like u proclaimed) Gen.Musharaff, then why china is not offering asylum to him. atleast an offer just to show that China care about him.......seems like u lost authenticity of ur claim buddy.:disagree:
 
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I heard, a happy meal from Beijing's "Guo-li-zhuang" restaurent can give more relaxation than our indegenous soft drink.:azn:

u r keep skipping from the question. every claim need to be prooved, if chinese people really love (like u proclaimed) Gen.Musharaff, then why china is not offering asylum to him. atleast an offer just to show that China care about him.......seems like u lost authenticity of ur claim buddy.:disagree:

Hello, LITTLE ONE, how are you?

Wow!!....Some serious accusation!! Ok, let me answer your

Intelligent question one by one.

(1) Because China respect Pakistan, we consider issue concerning

Mr. Musharaff belong to Pakistan internal affair.

(2) Back up with facts about what you HEARD!! Other wise it will

be nothing other than BAD BREATH shooting out from your big

mouth!!

P.S. How much a bottle of your indegenous soft drink cost?:smitten:


:pakistan::china:
 
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I am not discounting Musharraf's mistakes. I have not done that on any of the threads. What is fairly disconcerting is the way all evils are being shoved to his corner without the realization that something has been wrong on the civilian side too.

What you state above is no different than the 60 year old Chicken or the egg dilemma that has been discussed in Pakistan. There are arguments against the military intervention and then there are arguments against the civilian inclination to let the military drift in. I am sure there are flaws on both sides.

I am fine with your very last proposal. This is exactly what justice would be. However you cannot have justice only on Musharraf's expense. That is simply revenge for NS and company. They do not deserve that.

The first part of my post was not pointed at you, It was for some members here who fail to realize that Army has its own share in the situation which currently Pakistan is facing. Still some people see dictatorship as a way out for Pakistan which has never done good to any country in the past nor will it do good in future.

Now as far as Musharaff is concerned, I am fine with the supreme court bench (Excluding CJ) trying him fairly and make the facts public if possible. Enough of keeping every controversial national matter in the shadows. I am sure once this trial is started, every body including Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari will come into play and their respective cases will re-open.. This is why there is a popular opinion among the masses that nothing will happen to Musharaff, and PPP govt will try its best and will not let SC open the pandora box.

This video will give you a fair idea how i much i respect them :lol:

 
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^^^^ Phir bhi, tabla? I mean, Musharraf, the leader of 19 billion people, Pakistan---the first Islamic Nuclear power.......and tabla?

If you don't say I am a hater (I am a hatter though), let me set a new full name for him (just for fun, why shouldn't we be happy too);

Ustaad Musharraf Ali Khan Tabla Nawaz.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Interestingly, we can combine Musharraf and Nawaz in this way.


Khalids, Somehow i feel that your above post is incomplete without this video :D

 
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Exiled former president? Now, the people of Pakistan are given the answer: 76 former judge were dismissed! Will the London newspaper reported that the credibility of it? God only believe that ,the vote power to the people of Pakistan is the most trusted!
 
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