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According to sources at the MOD, the ANSF supported by elements of the Afghan special force were inserted early morning to Musa Qala inflicting punishing casualties on the Talis and recapturing Musa Qala.


NOW Where are those gloom and doom advocates who were cheering up the other day for the capture of Musa Qala, told ya so the Talis cant keep a district more than a day or two.
 
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According to sources at the MOD, the ANSF supported by elements of the Afghan special force were inserted early morning to Musa Qala inflicting punishing casualties on the Talis and recapturing Musa Qala.


NOW Where are those gloom and doom advocates who were cheering up the other day for the capture of Musa Qala, told ya so the Talis cant keep a district more than a day or two.
they control more than 70 % of afghanistan what are you talking about
 
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According to sources at the MOD, the ANSF supported by elements of the Afghan special force were inserted early morning to Musa Qala inflicting punishing casualties on the Talis and recapturing Musa Qala.


NOW Where are those gloom and doom advocates who were cheering up the other day for the capture of Musa Qala, told ya so the Talis cant keep a district more than a day or two.

HAHA, you do realise they still control over 70% of your country.
 
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According to sources at the MOD, the ANSF supported by elements of the Afghan special force were inserted early morning to Musa Qala inflicting punishing casualties on the Talis and recapturing Musa Qala.


NOW Where are those gloom and doom advocates who were cheering up the other day for the capture of Musa Qala, told ya so the Talis cant keep a district more than a day or two.

The issue is not that the ANSF cannot retake Musa Qala -- it is very difficult for an Insurgent force to hold territory. Nor is the issue of will the Taliban win -- it is unlikely because Pakistan does not want them to win as it fears that they will turn around and support the TTP. That removes a key ingredient which insurgencies need to achieve their political goals. But some points to consider:

1. Insurgents practice denial warfare -- where they essentially disrupt, deny a conventional actor like a state or a conventional army the space and freedom to secure and dominate and essentially exercise monopoly of violence. Thus, for insurgents it is simply enough to once in a while capture and run to essentially win -- for a conventional actor it is necessary to never to loose to win -- hence the asymmetry in asymmetrical warfare

2. General Westmoreland, who is thought to be one of the reasons for why the US lost the Vietnam war was famous for saying: “We’re killing these people,” the enemy, “at a ratio of 10 to 1.” (reference here)

3. The following exchange, towards the end of the Vietnam war, between Colonel Harry G. Summers of the US Army and Colonel Tu of the North Vietnamese Army has become seared in the annals of history.
Colonel Summery to Colonel Tu: "You know, you never beat us on the battlefield,"
Colonel Tu responded to Colonel Summery, "That may be so, but it is also irrelevant." (reference here)

4. There is a similarly famous exchange between two Soviet leaders (I believe one civilian and one military) where the Military leader informs the civilian leader that they have captured some key piece of territory from the Afghan Mujahideen -- the civilian leader retorts something to the affect: But General you had captured it last week too -- can't find the reference unfortunately.

5. Contrary to popular understanding the Viet Cong had very low public support -- I think the figures I remember are around 16-17% of the population -- (reference needed)

So again gloom and doom has nothing to do with -- I sure hope this forum is not a proxy for school yard brawls. I do hope this forum serves as a space where we can discuss issues with some level of intellectual honesty.

Further as a reference on gloom-and-doom: criticism of the Vietnam war is taught in American schools, US Military academies, etc. It is hoped that by studying the bitter facts we (the US nation) can better prepare ourselves not to repeat such follies. Yes, at some point in US history, such criticism was labelled unpatriotic or providing support to the enemy. However, if such study has not completely prevented the US from entering quagmires like Iraq and Afghanistan it has at least opened the space for free discussion to take place where criticism of the government's foreign or military policy is not construed as treason.
 
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Being a Pakistani that's a sure thing for you.. so now what? bring your proxy to win it for you.

Sun Tzu -- arguable one of the greatest war strategists (there is some doubt to whether he was really a historical figure or not) said: The greatest general is he who wins without firing a single arrow

To put it less poetically: the Taliban whose bodies Musa Qala is littered with are born of Afghan mothers. As long as Afghan mothers will keep birthing them -- their bodies will keep littering Musa Qala -- to quote another famous General: you cannot kill your way out of this.

so now what? bring your proxy to win it for you.
I wonder if Afghans are more concerned about Pakistan not winning then themselves not loosing?
 
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Sun Tzu -- arguable one of the greatest war strategists (there is some doubt to whether he was really a historical figure or not) said: The greatest general is he who wins without firing a single arrow

To put it less poetically: the Taliban whose bodies Musa Qala is littered with are born of Afghan mothers. As long as Afghan mothers will keep birthing them -- their bodies will keep littering Musa Qala -- to quote another famous General: you cannot kill your way out of this.


I wonder if Afghans are more concerned about Pakistan not winning then themselves not loosing?

Sun Tzu's saying was particularly encouraging non-violence.

Many in the Taliban ranks are now foreigners especially Punjabis and Uzbeks; the other thing is no one born from mother's womb a bad guy it's the society.. circumstances and a list of other factors that ruins oneself.

Musa Qala is one of Afghanistan's 298 districts.
 
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Sun Tzu's saying was particularly encouraging non-violence.

Actually No -- I think you missed the point -- Pakistani Generals have been accused (emphasis on accused, not convicted) of invading Afghanistan without crossing the border -- A study of Sun Tzu is in order.

Many in the Taliban ranks are now foreigners especially Punjabis and Uzbeks; the other thing is no one born from mother's womb a bad guy it's the society.. circumstances and a list of other factors that's ruins oneself.

Many yes, especially the vile Punjabis, but by far the most no -- an insurgency cannot survive if it is not locally based, even when supported by a hostile power.

The Punjabi label is convenient, it instantly turns an Afghan into the other.

But I think you again missed my point.

Musa Qala is one of Afghanistan's 298 districts.

And at last count the Taliban have a significant presence in 75% of them.

National anthems and parades don't win wars -- ask the Arabs.
 
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Musa Qala -- it is very difficult for an Insurgent force to hold territory. Nor is the issue of will the Taliban win -- it is unlikely because Pakistan does not want them to win as it fears that they will turn around and support the TTP. That removes a key ingredient which insurgencies need to achieve their political goals.
Oops , whole hearted acknowledgement that pakistan is sponsoring terrorism in afghnistan by painting it as insurgency to the whole world.

NOW Where are those gloom and doom advocates who were cheering up the other day for the capture of Musa Qala, told ya so the Talis cant keep a district more than a day or two.
You are right they can never hold on to the territory, bcos they are just terrorists and nothing else. They can only be good in hit and run attacks. Easy way out for them is occupying un policed territory and lording over it. Masters of the taliban end up thinking this is a victory for their proxy.

Suppose if they hold territory and try to run administration they are easy pickings for ANA. Some aerial bombing of their political offices will make them run with their tails btw their legs to their sanctuaries beyond the borders.
 
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