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Musa Qala retaken by ANSF

Weird logic.considering the fact they successfully mounted several invasion in Pakistan sacked the cities before entering India and crushed their rebellion ... Ghori was killed by pakistani Gakkhars.


Anyway that's not the point of the thread

Pakistan hijacked our heroes, says Kabul - Telegraph

Really weird logic?

1. Somnath not destroyed by Afghans? Somnath in Pakistan?
2. Delhi not sacked by Afghans? Delhi in Pakistan?
3. Pani Pat in Pakistan?

The missiles named Ghauri, Abdali are meant for Indian cities if the unthinkable were to happen -- to do what was done to Indian cities by these individuals -- sounds like a very good name to.

The point of the thread is bogus in case you read it.

I will name a butcher a butcher -- a butcher for the name of a nuclear missile is a good name.

I haven't heard you criticize the Americans naming their missiles Nike, Thor or Titan?

or did you not study logic -- oh and on Ghauri and Abdali I would spend sometime listening to Subramanian Swamy's speeches -- the pain with which he utters Ghauri and Abdali are good indicators that the names are chosen correctly.

As a snide remark -- it also reminds Indians of their centuries old "historical" ties with Afghanian -- lol

And for the record Ghauri was not Afghan -- he was Turko Mongol I believe
 
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Good but the biggest problem with Taliban is that they are not a military force but a terrorists force. They will attack, disrupt the state and then leave. Comeback with a bomb blast here and there and create unrest and panic. This completely stalls States machinery. ANA needs to be more vigilant in its approach while the Kabul govt needs to pursue peace talks with them. The murree peace talks must restart otherwise the Taliban will keep on attacking and unrest and destruction will follow Afghanistan ... The entire eastern front of Afghanistan is a hub of terrorism and breeds terrorists. Peace talks and negotiations may be the best solution this.
 
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1. Somnath not destroyed by Afghans? Somnath in Pakistan?
2. Delhi not sacked by Afghans? Delhi in Pakistan?
3. Pani Pat in Pakistan?

The missiles named Ghauri, Abdali are meant for Indian cities if the unthinkable were to happen -- to do what was done to Indian cities by these individuals -- sounds like a very good name to.
Agreed. The motive is to repeat what Ghauris and Abdalis did to us in the past. The names are apt.
 
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At least you honest
It is an honest understanding of Pakistani desire. In times of conflict an average Pakistani would love to see generations of India men, women and children destroyed in a second, along with all they ever had. To be secure, first we need to accept the realities.
 
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It is an honest understanding of Pakistani desire. In times of conflict an average Pakistani would love to see generations of India men, women and children destroyed in a second, along with all they ever had. To be secure, first we need to accept the realities.

No nothing could be further from the truth.
 
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Well never before Taliban have attempted such attacks like capturing entire districts. The is blood in the pool and sharks are having feeding frenzy. Afghanistan is week and soon will fall otherwise Ghani and Abdullah wouldnt be negotiating with them. The fact that they mustered 2000 men for the capture shows how their numbers have grown. They are being capable of such massive assaults.
 
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Although a bit late to the party, but still a good read.

Musa Qala is small military victory for Taliban but big propaganda boost

Kabul government placed heavy emphasis on claiming back town in Helmand province during conflict, where it was the scene of a Nato-backed campaign



British soldiers with a Nato-led force during a patrol of Musa Qala in 2007. Photograph: Shah Marai/AFP/Getty Images
Emma Graham-Harrison

Thursday 27 August 2015 23.28 BSTLast modified on Friday 28 August 2015

Dozens of British, Afghan and American soldiers died to capture and briefly hold the poor, dusty tract of northern Helmand that fell under Taliban control again this week. It was a victory celebrated in song, video and photograph on social media, even though control of Musa Qala district brings little military advantage: the triumph is mostly a propaganda one.

The blood shed in these clusters of mud houses, strung along an opium trading route, has turned it into something of a bellwether of the war, its importance only underlined by the Kabul government’s promise to win it back and a high-profile Nato-backed campaign.

when the then defence secretary called it iconic. In 2010, the British handed over to US forces, at least four of whom also died in the district.

When Taliban soldiers finally overran the district centre this week, they celebrated publicly, releasing a victory song on Soundcloud called Long Live Musa Qala, along with videos and still images of fighters gathered in the marketplace on pickup trucks and motorbikes. They also claimed that around 40 soldiers had been killed in the battle.

The deputy defence minister travelled to Helmand to personally oversee the operation to retake the district, spokesman Dawlat Waziri told Reuters, and Nato has bombed the district nine times since Wednesday.

Even with the Taliban officially in control, little on the ground has changed, analysts say. The insurgent group had been gathered just outside the town for months, and already held sway in most of neighbouring Sangin, Nowzad and Kajaki, where dozens of British soldiers also died.

“It’s politically worrisome, but not militarily significant,” said Graeme Smith, an analyst with the International Crisis Group in Kabul of the collapse of Musa Qala. The main danger was that the town’s high profile would embolden the Taliban and threaten efforts to negotiate an end to the war.


US marine waits in the moonlight for a helicopter to transport him home from Musa Qala. Photograph: Finbarr O'Reilly/Reuters
“It’s a threat to the peace process, because if individual Taliban commanders feel like they hold more territory today than they did at the start of the fighting season, they are not going to be in a position to compromise”
The fall of Musa Qala comes after months of creeping insurgent gains across Afghanistan. The Taliban have been particularly effective in northern Kunduz province, where German troops were responsible for security, and around Helmand.

Afghan forces have sustained extremely heavy casualties, with an entire company of over 70 soldiers missing after the battle for Musa Qala alone, one member of the provincial council said. But they are still fighting, and have so far managed to hang on to all the major urban centres and provincial capitals across the country.

“What that points towards is a war that will keep escalating as long as the west is willing to keep funding it,” said Smith. Afghanistan needs money for everything from salaries to fuel costs, as well as western support, and a meeting next year in Poland will decide on long-term Nato funding, as well as whether foreign troops will stay on to help.

Many governments looking to cut spending and worrying about other crises in the Middle East, or about waves of migration into Europe, may be looking to cut their spending in Afghanistan. The country’s recent history offers a stark lesson, though, of the risks of turning away. It was the west’s neglect of Afghanistan after Soviet forces withdrew in 1989 that paved the way for the country’s collapse into a brutal civil war that bred the Taliban, and later provided Osama bin Laden with a haven where he could plot the 9/11 attacks on America
 
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And for the record Ghauri was not Afghan -- he was Turko Mongol I believe
Ghauri was not a Turko-Mongol, there was no such thing as Turko-Mongol in Afghanistan in his times as Genghis Khan invasion had not taken place yet. They were indigenous east Iranian people of Shansabānī Suri line, probably Tajiks, but exact ethnic origin has never been determined. Mahmud of Ghazni was a Turk and from the works of his court historians as well as later ones, it can be determined that their enemies Ghurids were not Turks. Even if he was not ethnically Afghan, he is still part of the history of Afghanistan as Ghor is its province.

Any way Ghorid army was largely made of Khaljis and Afghans, nobility mostly from Iberi turk slaves. Beside a big chunk of Afghan tribes claim to be descendants of a Ghorid Prince , Shah Hussain Ghori who married a Pashtun woman , Bibi Mato according to traditional accounts. He is said to have patronized Afghan tribes and ethnic Afghans consider him one of their badshah. The settlement of Afghan/Pashtun tribes like Sarwanis, Suris, Prangis in DI Khan, Hani and Mangals in Bannu, Khattaks in Thal, and Dilazaks in Peshawar, Bajaur took place during the times of Shahabudeen Gahuri, under his encouragement.
 
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