Muqtada al-Sadr: Riyadh serves as the father of all

[The SC]

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

Will the Vatican allow Muslims to build a mosque in its area?

 

[SALMAN F]

He and the Iraqi government and the iranian regime with saudi monarchs are hypocrites

So will the followers of moqtada love Saudi Arabia now??

And will Saudis love moqtada and call him a Shia arab after they called him puppet of iran?

 

[Ceylal]

Arabs and cheptel are on a par,when it comes to being bought or slaughtered .

 

[ultron]

Not for me. I turned atheist. For me, there is no god.

 

[Baba Google]

Sadr's leader in Iraq, Muqtada al-Sadr, described Riyadh as a "father", saying that Saudi Arabia had proved its strength and was working to bring peace to the region. He also touched on Sadr's statements to his position on the departure of Assad and the separation of the Kurdistan region.

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Muqtada al-Sadr, the leader of the Sadrist movement in Iraq, pointed to a similarity in visions during his meeting in Jeddah last month with the Deputy Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, stressing that Riyadh is the "father" Working to bring peace to the region.

In an interview with the London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper on August 11, 2017, al-Sadr said they discussed several files of the region, including Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, Jerusalem, Iran-Saudi relations, In Riyadh, pointing out that the meeting was frank between the parties.

Al-Sadr pointed out that all the differences that prevail in the region can be solved gradually even if it took time, noting that this includes the status quo between the four countries, namely Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain and the UAE, on the one hand, Qatar, on the one hand, considering that the latter is sensitive to compromise, She will retreat, and will return to her Arab bosom little by little.

http://www.dw.com/ar/مقتدى-الصدر-الرياض-بمثابة-الأب-للجميع/a-40053907

We (the Shia of Ali) can have difference of opinion on so much matters, but we are sailing the same boat.

To my knowledge this guy is not even a jurist or a mujtahid. he doesn't even hold a title in Iraqi govt or is he? And if he is having meeting with the Saudis for peace then why not have peace?

I remember a post from another forum in which one of the guys said:

Why did the Prophet meet with idol-worshippers of Quraish during Hudaybiyah?

Why did Imam Ali sent letters and have discussions with Muawiyah?

Why did Imam Hassan make a peace treaty with Muawiyah?

Why did Imam Hossein meet with the traitors?

They are doing their duty.. As leaders.. Peacemakers.. Guides.. of the mankind..

They are completing the hujjah for the evils.. Trying to resolve this before it is too late for the enemy..

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

a country with 100 % muslins need no church.

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

a country with 100 % muslins need no church.

 

[Nevsky]

Why should KSA serve as a "father" for Christians in the Middle East? What has religion anything to do with this? Al-Sadr was referring to modern-day KSA (Arabia) as the father of all Arabs which is true.

KSA has excellent relations with our Arab Christian brothers and sisters in Jordan (the Christian Arab tribes of Jordan are originally from neighboring Hijaz), Syria, Lebanon and the Coptic community in Egypt due to ancient ties with the Coptic community that was manifested clearly already 1400 years ago when Prophet Muhammad (saws) married a Coptic Christian lady and wrote this letter.

It has everything to do with religion when it comes to your country.You cant be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians if you are ignoring and opressing their religion in your own country.
Here is a proof of your ''excellent'' relations with your ''Arab Christian brothers'':

Saudi Arabia’s top Muslim cleric called on Tuesday for the destruction of all churches in the Arabian Peninsula after legislators in the Gulf state of Kuwait moved to pass laws banning the construction of religious sites associated with Christianity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad

So if your Prophet Muhammad said that, why are you opressing Christians in your own country and why you dont let them pray?If he said that, arent you going against His will with your actions?

International Christian Concern (ICC) protested what it reported as the 2001 detention of 11 Christians in Saudi Arabia, for practicing their religion in their homes.[9] In June 2004, at least 46 Christians were arrested in what the ICC described as a "pogrom-like" action by Saudi police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Saudi_Arabia

So that is normal according to you?

BTW why should KSA build churches when none of us are Christians any longer? Why should churches be built in a Islamic country for temporary expats that can pray at home or visit neighboring states where there are plenty of churches, even within the GCC? Besides you don't understand the special role that KSA plays here from a religious perspective as being the home of the Two Holy Mosques and the cradle of Islam. I will not compare KSA directly with Vatican but there is obviously reason for comparison.

That's not true, even some of your native citizens are converting to Christianity.

Muslims converting to Christianity in Saudi Arabia, despite intense persecution

The majority of these Christians are expatriates or migrant workers, but according to persecution charity Open Doors, Saudi natives are also turning to Christianity.

The charity is supporting Mohammed (name changed), a secret believer who converted after learning about Christianity through an online discipleship course. He made contact with Christians in another Middle Eastern country, and then spent a week there – going to church for the first time, and attending Bible studies.

After a few days he was asked who Jesus was. "He is my Saviour, my God", was Mohammed's reply, and he was baptised, returning to Saudi Arabia with a Bible.

He knows no other Christians in his home country, but receives continued support online.

Saudi Arabia ranks 14th on Open Doors' list of countries where Christians are most persecuted. According to the USCIRF, the government has made "improvements in policies and practices related to freedom of religion or belief", but "it persists in restricting most forms of public religious expression inconsistent with its particular interpretation of Sunni Islam".

https://www.christiantoday.com/arti....arabia.despite.intense.persecution/87220.htm

You can see it in wikipedia as well:

The Saudi Arabian Mutaween (Arabic: مطوعين‎‎), or Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (i.e., the religious police) prohibits the practice of any religion other than Islam.[7] Conversion of a Muslim to another religion is considered apostasy,[7] a crime punishable by death if the accused does not recant. There have been no confirmed reports of executions for either crime in modern times.[7] The Government does not permit non-Muslim clergy to enter the country for the purpose of conducting religious services.[7] In spite of this, a 2015 study estimates that there are some 60,000 Christians with a Muslim background living in the country, though that does not mean that all of those are citizens of the country.[8]

Keep in mind that is really hard to find information about Christian minorities in your country, due to the heavy censorship.
And yes, of course you should build at least 1 Church in your country.You have more than a million Christians in Saudi Arabia, they are all working paying taxes and contributing to your society, they deserve to not be opressed for not being Muslims.
If you claim to be a cradle of Islam and a guardian of the Holy places you should act as a role model for other Muslim countries, but you are nowhere near that.You should take Turkey as an example.

Why does Russia not built mosques in occupied Northern Caucasus (native lands of non-Russian and non-Slavic peoples) in particular among the traditional Adyghe lands? Why is Russia persecuting various religious communities such as Jehovas Witnesses and others? Why don't you look inwards before barking? We are not a Christian country nor do we pretend to be a liberal democracy (thank God).

Russia builded a lot of mosques in the last decade, why are you lying?

Thats in Republic of Chechnya:

So is that, can you imagine that in Saudi Arabia?

Dagestan:

You shouldn't be a ''liberal democracy'' to let your people pray, you should know that, if you are real Muslim.

 

[Deliorman]

Will the Vatican allow Muslims to build a mosque in its area?

Of cource that it won't. Vatican's total area consists only of a few old buildings, a squaire, some gardens and has a population of a 1000 all of whom Catholic cardinals, clerics, The Pope and the Swiss guards. You can hardly call The Vatican a functioning state- it's just the seat of the Catholic church.

But the fact that there is not a single church anywhere in Saudi Arabia- a huge country with huge expat population and growing number of people converting to Christianity. The barbaric apostasy laws- everyone who leaves Islam is punished with death. Even religious symbols are banned. All those things say a lot.
Yet nobody is asking you guys to build churches in Mecca and Medinah (The only places which you can kind of compare to the Vatican)- The only Holly lands which are part of Saudi Arabia.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

It has everything to do with religion when it comes to your country.You cant be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians if you are ignoring and opressing their religion in your own country.
Here is a proof of your ''excellent'' relations with your ''Arab Christian brothers'':

Saudi Arabia’s top Muslim cleric called on Tuesday for the destruction of all churches in the Arabian Peninsula after legislators in the Gulf state of Kuwait moved to pass laws banning the construction of religious sites associated with Christianity.



So if your Prophet Muhammad said that, why are you opressing Christians in your own country and why you dont let them pray?If he said that, arent you going against His will with your actions?

International Christian Concern (ICC) protested what it reported as the 2001 detention of 11 Christians in Saudi Arabia, for practicing their religion in their homes.[9] In June 2004, at least 46 Christians were arrested in what the ICC described as a "pogrom-like" action by Saudi police.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Saudi_Arabia

So that is normal according to you?


That's not true, even some of your native citizens are converting to Christianity.

Muslims converting to Christianity in Saudi Arabia, despite intense persecution

The majority of these Christians are expatriates or migrant workers, but according to persecution charity Open Doors, Saudi natives are also turning to Christianity.

The charity is supporting Mohammed (name changed), a secret believer who converted after learning about Christianity through an online discipleship course. He made contact with Christians in another Middle Eastern country, and then spent a week there – going to church for the first time, and attending Bible studies.

After a few days he was asked who Jesus was. "He is my Saviour, my God", was Mohammed's reply, and he was baptised, returning to Saudi Arabia with a Bible.

He knows no other Christians in his home country, but receives continued support online.

Saudi Arabia ranks 14th on Open Doors' list of countries where Christians are most persecuted. According to the USCIRF, the government has made "improvements in policies and practices related to freedom of religion or belief", but "it persists in restricting most forms of public religious expression inconsistent with its particular interpretation of Sunni Islam".

https://www.christiantoday.com/arti....arabia.despite.intense.persecution/87220.htm

You can see it in wikipedia as well:

The Saudi Arabian Mutaween (Arabic: مطوعين‎‎), or Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (i.e., the religious police) prohibits the practice of any religion other than Islam.[7] Conversion of a Muslim to another religion is considered apostasy,[7] a crime punishable by death if the accused does not recant. There have been no confirmed reports of executions for either crime in modern times.[7] The Government does not permit non-Muslim clergy to enter the country for the purpose of conducting religious services.[7] In spite of this, a 2015 study estimates that there are some 60,000 Christians with a Muslim background living in the country, though that does not mean that all of those are citizens of the country.[8]

Keep in mind that is really hard to find information about Christian minorities in your country, due to the heavy censorship.
And yes, of course you should build at least 1 Church in your country.You have more than a million Christians in Saudi Arabia, they are all working paying taxes and contributing to your society, they deserve to not be opressed for not being Muslims.
If you claim to be a cradle of Islam and a guardian of the Holy places you should act as a role model for other Muslim countries, but you are nowhere near that.You should take Turkey as an example.


Russia builded a lot of mosques in the last decade, why are you lying?

Thats in Republic of Chechnya:

So is that, can you imagine that in Saudi Arabia?

Dagestan:

You shouldn't be a ''liberal democracy'' to let your people pray, you should know that, if you are real Muslim.

You must not have understood what I wrote.

The article in Arabic talks about KSA (Arabia) being the father of Arabs. Religion here does not matter. My people are Arabs regardless of religion. I do not differentiate between Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Atheist or whatever Arabs. My people are not "Middle Eastern" people unless you want me to care as much for my people as Israeli Jews originally from Eastern Europe (2/3 of all Israeli Jews are actually Jews from Arab countries but that is another discussion), Turks, Iranians and others. They are not "my" people. Nor was Muqtada al-Sadr talking about that. It was about Arabs as the two persons are Arabs and representing two neighboring Arab countries (KSA and Iraq).

You keep talking about 40 million Christians in the Middle East when I already told you that the only Christians in the region are Christian Arabs, Assyrians (are cousins), Copts (our cousins) and Armenians who migrated to Arab countries (mainly Levant) after the Turkish/Ottoman genocide on them.

That quote is made up. Besides there are over 100 of churches in the GCC and new ones are being built. You can google this on your own.

Christians are free to conduct services inside their own homes.

Converts are a tiny number of people.

Here is a propaganda video:

Here is a fool wanting his 5 minutes of fame because he left a religion:

There is no taxation of income in KSA.

Nobody is oppressing anybody but KSA is an Islamic country with Islamic rules and KSA is home to the two most holy sites in Islam and has a special role and function in Islam and Islamic history. KSA is not your average Muslim country.

Once again all the Christians are temporary expats.

It would be strange if Northern Caucasus which has been majority Muslim for over 1 millennia (the Rashidun Caliphate already reached North Caucasus 1400 years ago and built settlements and towns) would not have any mosques when it is the homeland of numerous local ethnic groups (Muslim) who have only been a part of Russia for some 150 years. There is even to this day an Arab Caucasian community in Northern Caucasus (today citizens of Russia) as well as Southern Caucasus (Georgia and Azerbaijan) but most of them have been absorbed to the local populations due to size and time spent in that region (first communities arrived almost 1500 years ago).

Arabidze is for instance a quite common Georgian surname which means "son of Arab".

Example is one Georgian national football team player by the name Giorgi Arabidze.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgi_Arabidze

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabidze

BTW you did not answer why your own country is persecuting various religious groups. I mentioned Jehovas Witnesses. There are probably many others. Why is a nominal secular country persecuting religious minorities and jailing them? At least KSA does not pretend to be a secular country.

BTW I would have supported the construction of new churches in KSA (the church ruins in KSA - some of the oldest in the world - are historical ruins and nothing else) IF we had a large number of native Christians (not the case since the 10th century) and if the Christian expats who lived in KSA were not living there temporary.

BTW that does not change the fact that KSA has cordial relations with the Copts in Egypt and Christian Arab communities.

Of cource that it won't. Vatican's total area consists only of a few old buildings, a squaire, some gardens and has a population of a 1000 all of whom Catholic cardinals, clerics, The Pope and the Swiss guards. You can hardly call The Vatican a functioning state- it's just the seat of the Catholic church.

But the fact that there is not a single church anywhere in Saudi Arabia- a huge country with huge expat population and growing number of people converting to Christianity. The barbaric apostasy laws- everyone who leaves Islam is punished with death. Even religious symbols are banned. All those things say a lot.
Yet nobody is asking you guys to build churches in Mecca and Medinah (The only places which you can kind of compare to the Vatican)- The only Holly lands which are part of Saudi Arabia.

Yes, 1 million temporary Christian expats is such a colossal number of people. 1 million out of 35 + million people.

Nobody has ever been sentenced to death for converting to another religion. You should kindly provide a proof of such nonsense.

Arabia (in its entirety) has been considered as the cradle of Islam and that land is a treasure chest of Islamic history. Almost everywhere you go.

The reason for there not being constructed churches in KSA has to do with religion and historical Islamic rulings that date back to the beginning of Islam which mention directly that Islam must reign supreme in Arabia. This has been interpreted for the past 1400 years (by all dynasties and rulers) as only Islam being allowed to be propagandized of all religions. This likely has its root in the early persecution of Muslims by various groups (Pagans, Christians and Jews) in Arabia.

BTW why do foreigners care about whether KSA is going to built churches for a relatively small community of temporary Christian expats (who are free to worship within their own homes) or not?

Is it now that I should propose Turkey to hold a referendum of whether the Kurds in the country can get their own independent country or even autonomous region? What's the difference between religious matters and the aspirations (self-rule) of ethnic groups? After all this struggle for independence has actually killed almost 100.000 people since WW2 while the question of whether churches should be built in KSA for temporary expats or not is yet to kill a single person.

KSA does not need to please foreign and temporary Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and whatever expats. We are a Muslim country and perfectly fine with this fact. Breaking news, but we don't care about the views of foreigners and whether they find it strange, for instance, that murderers are beheaded. Let them cry and shout "human rights".

 

[The SC]

I will add that in every Arab Muslim country where there is an established Christian community..there are churches!
So asking KSA to let build churches is quite similar to asking the Vatican to let build mosques, despite the size of the land..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

He and the Iraqi government and the iranian regime with saudi monarchs are hypocrites

So will the followers of moqtada love Saudi Arabia now??

And will Saudis love moqtada and call him a Shia arab after they called him puppet of iran?

This is all about politics brother. Neither MbS nor Muqtada al-Sadr are representatives of KSA and Iraq. They just happen to be two powerful people in their respective countries. They don't represent 35 million + people respectively (in both countries). As in speaking for all people.

BTW nobody in KSA has ever denied the obvious and undeniable fact that even the most pro-Wilayat al-Faqih Shia Arabs are Arabs. I have never heard about anyone in KSA saying that Iraqi Shia Arabs from neighboring Southern Iraq (that have more recent and closer ancestral ties to KSA in particular Najd than for instance many Iraqi Sunni Arabs from the North who are more ancient migrants) are not Arabs because they are Shia, lol. Remember that 3 million + people in KSA are Arabs. In fact Iraqi Shia Arabs are one of the "most Arab people" in the Arab world in the sense that they are some of the most traditional ones in terms of preserving ancient Arab customs. For that they are highly respected across the Arab world.

Muqtada al-Sadr visited the late King Abdullah over 10 years ago. He has always had some kind of ties to House of Saud (by default KSA) and you also have to remember that Iraqi Shia Arabs and Saudi Arabian Shias have extremely close ties and frequent people to people relations.

Blood brothers and sisters should not take part in disputes that their governments (few people) and decision makers are engaging in. I always refused such nonsense as will almost all Arabs (sane ones). For instance in an imaginary world where KSA and Iraq would fight a war (for the first time in history), I would not suddenly start saying let alone claiming that Iraqis from Basra, Samawa, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, Ramadi, Fallujah, Samarra, Mosul, Nasiriyah etc. are non-Arabs. That would be pathetic.

For instance in KSA nobody is saying that our Yemeni brothers and sisters are not Arabs despite the ongoing war nor has KSA stopped hosting the largest Yemeni diaspora community in the world.

For instance I would host the largest Houthi and Wilayat al-Faqih supporter and treat him like a brother if he came in peace despite disagreeing with his political views and ideology greatly.

 

[SALMAN F]

This is all about politics brother. Neither MbS nor Muqtada al-Sadr are representatives of KSA and Iraq. They just happen to be two powerful people in their respective countries. They don't represent 35 million + people respectively (in both countries). As in speaking for all people.

BTW nobody in KSA has ever denied the obvious and undeniable fact that even the most pro-Wilayat al-Faqih Shia Arabs are Arabs. I have never heard about anyone in KSA saying that Iraqi Shia Arabs from neighboring Southern Iraq (that have more recent and closer ancestral ties to KSA in particular Najd than for instance many Iraqi Sunni Arabs from the North who are more ancient migrants) are not Arabs because they are Shia, lol. Remember that 3 million + people in KSA are Arabs. In fact Iraqi Shia Arabs are one of the "most Arab people" in the Arab world in the sense that they are some of the most traditional ones in terms of preserving ancient Arab customs. For that they are highly respected across the Arab world.

Muqtada al-Sadr visited the late King Abdullah over 10 years ago. He has always had some kind of ties to House of Saud (by default KSA) and you also have to remember that Iraqi Shia Arabs and Saudi Arabian Shias have extremely close ties and frequent people to people relations.

Blood brothers and sisters should not take part in disputes that their governments (few people) and decision makers are engaging in. I always refused such nonsense as will almost all Arabs (sane ones). For instance in an imaginary world where KSA and Iraq would fight a war (for the first time in history), I would not suddenly start saying let alone claiming that Iraqis from Basra, Samawa, Najaf, Karbala, Baghdad, Ramadi, Fallujah, Samarra, Mosul, Nasiriyah etc. are non-Arabs. That would be pathetic.

For instance in KSA nobody is saying that our Yemeni brothers and sisters are not Arabs despite the ongoing war nor has KSA stopped hosting the largest Yemeni diaspora community in the world.

For instance I would host the largest Houthi and Wilayat al-Faqih supporter and treat him like a brother if he came in peace despite disagreeing with his political views and ideology greatly.

I know it's politics but the people take thing and view them differently

 

[Ceylal]

I will add that in every Arab Muslim country where there is an established Christian community..there are churches!
So asking KSA to let build churches is quite similar to asking the Vatican to let build mosques, despite the size of the land..

The whole Saudi Arabia equate the Vatican? Lay off the Camel urine, it does look that you went over the limit.
I can see the two holly site ie Mecca and Medina off limit , to be extreme, but the whole kingdom is holly! that a lot of horse manure..only Sauds ace licker believe the crap you are writing.
Talking about the Vatican, If you look hard, there is a mosque near the wall separating the PAPACY from the Rome proper,where the all the egyptian and Lybian expatriates go pray.

 

[IronHeart]

Will Riyad serve as a ''father'' for all the Christians in the region too?Will they build at least 1 Church in their country, before claiming to be a ''father'' of 40 million Christians in the Middle East?

That's because of this:

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim Book 019, Hadith Number 4366.

Stop listening to these absurd reasons, they're doing their Taqiyya.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Father of all hahahaha they can't even fight Somalia forget hostile countries lol.