Muqtada al-Sadr: Riyadh serves as the father of all

[raptor22]

I will add that in every Arab Muslim country where there is an established Christian community..there are churches!
So asking KSA to let build churches is quite similar to asking the Vatican to let build mosques, despite the size of the land..

Don't build church let christens build if they want ...

 

[Timur]

Don't build church let christens build if they want ...

for what..?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Don't build church let christens build if they want ...

Let us build 100's of churches for temporary migrants and once they leave we can have more church ruins just much newer versions this time around. Not as old as the Jubail Church (1700 years) for instance.

Would there be any churches in Iran if not for the Assyrian, Armenian and Georgian communities? Are there for instance temples for traditional African religions? Or what about Shinto temples?

That's because of this:

It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim Book 019, Hadith Number 4366.

Stop listening to these absurd reasons, they're doing their Taqiyya.

Read my post 24. Nobody is hiding anything. We are not like your likes. Don't forget.

for what..?

The day the likes of Slovakia, Czech Republic, Iceland, Portugal, Moldova, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland etc. will built churches for their temporary Muslim migrants (those countries that have such a thing) we can talk.

 

[raptor22]

for what..?

To worship God and perform their religious rites and rituals in it ...

Let us build 100's of churches for temporary migrants and once they leave we can have more church ruins just much newer versions this time around. Not as old as the Jubail Church (1700 years) for instance.

Would there be any churches in Iran if not for the Assyrian, Armenian and Georgian communities? Are there for instance temples for traditional African religions? Or what about Shinto temples?



Read my post 24. Nobody is hiding anything. We are not like your likes. Don't forget.



The day the likes of Slovakia, Czech Republic, Iceland, Portugal, Moldova, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland etc. will built churches for their temporary Muslim migrants (those countries that have such a thing) we can talk.

I don't know how many Christians live in the KSA , do you know how many? I googled it and I got 1.5 to 2 million Christians who live in the KSA but mostly from another countries ... and I just said let them to build if they want to perform their religious rites in it, it doesn't kill you ...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I don't know how many Christians live in the KSA , do you know how many? I googled it and I got 1.5 to 2 million Christians who live in the KSA but mostly from another countries ... and I just said let them to build if they want to perform their religious rites in it, it doesn't kill you ...

I already wrote in this thread that I would have nothing against building churches in KSA provide that 1) we had retained a significant native Christian community (which despite Christianity reaching modern-day KSA shortly after the death of Prophet Isa (AS) this has not been the case since the 10th century AD), 2) that Christians in KSA were not temporary migrants that neither had citizenship nor permanent residency (very rarely).

If somehow the current laws in place will get changed (which points to being the case) and a permanent residency and even the possibility of a "green card" gets established, which also would include non-Muslims (possibly), I would not be against building churches but it should not be in Hijaz preferably (Makkah and Madinah should not even be thought about as candidate cities) and the state should not finance this. Just like we should not finance synagogues, Shinto temples and what not. It would be a different question if, as I wrote, we had a native Christian community. This is no longer the case other than a unknown number of converts.

BTW who is going to fund those churches? I know that a few Western expats (especially those Americans affiliated with missionary work and smaller Christian sects such as Mormons, Baptists etc.) would probably somehow get the money to finance the construction of 100's of churches but what about the average Christian Arab, Ethiopian, Eritrean, Filipino etc. that traveled to KSA for work and to earn more?

Once you open up and allow the likes of the Catholic Church etc. you have opened up a pandora box. Not sure if that is the right way to go currently. Expect increased missionary work, increased political interference, people whose loyalty to the state/its traditions and main religion, can be questioned etc. That would not be a thing if there was a native Christian community as their loyalty would not be questioned as they would have been sons and daughters of the land. Say in Najran.

This is not simply a matter of black and white or yes or no. Not today at least and not under the current circumstances.

BTW before I get accused of being anti-Christian, I have family members who were or remain Roman Catholic.

 

[Timur]

To worship God and perform their religious rites and rituals in it ...

you mean shirk?

The day the likes of Slovakia, Czech Republic, Iceland, Portugal, Moldova, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland etc. will built churches for their temporary Muslim migrants (those countries that have such a thing) we can talk.

that wont happen they are going another direction....

 

[raptor22]

I already wrote in this thread that I would have nothing against building churches in KSA provide that 1) we had retained a significant native Christian community (which despite Christianity reaching modern-day KSA shortly after the death of Prophet Isa (AS) this has not been the case since the 10th century AD), 2) that Christians in KSA were not temporary migrants that neither had citizenship nor permanent residency (very rarely).

If somehow the current laws in place will get changed (which points to being the case) and a permanent residency and even the possibility of a "green card" gets established, which also would include non-Muslims (possibly), I would not be against building churches but it should not be in Hijaz preferably (Makkah and Madinah should not even be thought about as candidate cities) and the state should not finance this. Just like we should not finance synagogues, Shinto temples and what not. It would be a different question if, as I wrote, we had a native Christian community. This is no longer the case other than a unknown number of converts.

BTW who is going to fund those churches? I know that a few Western expats (especially those Americans affiliated with missionary work and smaller Christian sects such as Mormons, Baptists etc.) would probably somehow get the money to finance the construction of 100's of churches but what about the average Christian Arab, Ethiopian, Eritrean, Filipino etc. that traveled to KSA for work and to earn more?

Once you open up and allow the likes of the Catholic Church etc. you have opened up a pandora box. Not sure if that is the right way to go currently. Expect increased missionary work, increased political interference, people whose loyalty to the state/its traditions and main religion, can be questioned etc. That would not be a thing if there was a native Christian community as their loyalty would not be questioned as they would have been sons and daughters of the land. Say in Najran.

This is not simply a matter of black and white or yes or no. Not today at least and not under the current circumstances.

BTW before I get accused of being anti-Christian, I have family members who were or remain Roman Catholic.

It's up to you your country your rule but the place of the possible church could anywhere that Christiane live more.

you mean shirk?
that wont happen they are going another direction....

Shirk? they are considered as the people of the book and their religions , book and rituals must be respected in our societies .. as for Jews ... that's why I said it would be nice to let them build church ..

 

[Timur]

book and rituals must be respected in our societies

respect means also honoring something or admiring something.. I dont accept shirk I dont accept and honor modification of the books and also shirk...

Shirk?

what a question.. what a question... you really ask this? you mean you are so blind that you cannot see it..?

adressing myself: I may talking to the wrong guys..

 

[BATMAN]

Pre 79 Iran was a tourism paradise for Pakistanis

Until late 80's, Pakistan was paradise for Iranians, to get cheap and quality education, mainly in medical.
Than every thing changed with death of Zia, Iranian Mulla get loose and started to brainwash its public against Pakistan, and promoted India instead.

Not for me. I turned atheist. For me, there is no god.

This what every hindu write on Pakistani websites.