Mumbai : Prove Fire Temple Is Important To You, State Tells Parsis

[Tps43]

Literally ya ....

Fire temples would double up as prayer areas, courts for community disputes, teaching schools for kids to learn about the faith, even small hospitals.

Cheers, Doc

Ohh ok

 

[padamchen]

Ohh ok

Fire Temples evolved over time from the earliest Mazdayasni worshippers who had open air fire pits.

Then four cornered stone fire houses (chahar-taqi).

Then the more elaborate fire temples.

And since the Persians were always at war for near 5000 years, and under attack for a great deal of that time, these temples were even fortifications to protect the Atash and the faithful within. Often coming up wherever the armies marched. And where they halted for any length of time and garrisoned.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Tps43]

Fire Temples evolved over time from the earliest Mazdayasni worshippers who had open air fire pits.

Then four cornered stone fire houses (chahar-taqi).

Then the more elaborate fire temples.

And since the Persians were always at war for near 5000 years, and under attack for a great deal of that time, these temples were even fortifications to protect the Atash and the faithful within. Often coming up wherever the armies marched. And where they halted for any length of time and garrisoned.

Cheers, Doc

I have visited this fire temple like 3 times
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_temple

 

[padamchen]

Early Zoroastrian Worship
No Temples or Altars. Worshiping on High Places

Open Air Fire Platform
(also thought to be ossuaries)
at Naqsh-e-Rustam, Iran
Reign of Darius 522-486 BCE

Greek historian and visitor to ancient Persia, Herodotus, described (c. 430 BCE) the worship customs of the Persian Zoroastrians of his day as follows: "The customs which I know the Persians to observe are the following: they have no images of the gods (a Greek manner of speaking), no temples nor altars, and consider the use of them a sign of folly. This comes, I think, from their not believing the gods to have the same nature with men, as the Greeks imagine. Their wont, however, is to ascend the summits of the loftiest mountains..."

In addition to Herodotus' observations, there is evidence of early western (Persian and Median) open air places of worship in the higher reaches of the foothills of the Zagros and Bakhtiyari mountains (the western mountains of Iran, adjacent to the present Iran-Iraq border) dated to a few hundred years before Herodotus. Staircases led up to the terraces that had a podium on which fire containers were built or fire urns placed.

In the eastern (and perhaps original) regions of the Zoroastrian homeland, there are older (3,000 BCE?) outdoor worship sites in Tajikistan.

Outdoor Zoroastrian worship platform
overlooking Vrang village & Panj (Amu Darya) River,
Tajikistan - 3000 BCE (?)

In his epic, the Shahnameh, Ferdowsi states that legendary King Jamshid created four professional guilds of which the priesthood was the first. The Shahnameh goes on to state that King Jamshid:

"... separated the priesthood from other folk
and made its place of service in the mountains,
that God be adored in quietude."

Strabo, a Greek writer from the first century ACE, confirms the observations of Herodotus and other writers that "the Persians do not erect statues or altars, but 'offer sacrifice' (worship) on a high place," and that the worship ceremonies were officiated by the Magi, (the legendary Zoroastrian priests discussed further in the Priesthood Page).

Despite this early tradition, Zoroastrians did later develop the concept of worshipping in temples.

4th century CE, Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus makes the following observations in his Rerum gestarum libri 23.6.31-32: "They have also as many cities as Media, and villages as strongly built as towns in other countries, inhabited by large bodies of citizens. In short, it is the richest residence of the kings. In these districts the lands of the Magi are fertile; and it may be as well to give a short account of that sect and their studies, since we have occasion to mention their name. Plato (our note: at Ax. 371D; Isoc. II.28, 227A), that most learned deliverer of wise opinions, teaches us that Magiæ (Magism) is by a mystic name Machagistia (Mazdayasni? If so, one of the few Western references to this name), that is to say, the purest worship of divine beings (cf. Pak Yazdan, the purest Divinity)."

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sinnerman108]

I'm interested to know which words you could understand / did not need a translation for because of Urdu?

None of them are common to Hindi (or the Gujarati that we speak as our mother tongue).

Cheers, Doc

Words such as ( From what you wrote )

Atesh
Sabzi
Daar
Dar
Baagh
Roz
Mah
Gandum
Seeb -> Apple

Most of urdu is derived from Persian.
The difference in pronunciation of Alif, and Ye

and words such as Shahnameh in Farsi, will be pronounced as Shah-namah

Awesome.. I admire the perseverance and success in many fields against the odds of the the Parsi community, Just hope they would lessen the restrictions of intermarriage so that there would be future generations and not disappear altogether

Marriage and children is their business, so i wouldn't comment.

But allow me to introduce the angle, that the word magician is actually from old Farsi, Majoos.
The three magicians who visited Jesus upon birth, were actually 3 majoos from old Persia.

Also, The tomb of king Cyrus is in Persia, the the writings on his tomb, literally narrate the story that
is part of all abrahamic religions.

Fascinated ?
I know I am, and I think that the eternal tussle of 3 Abrahamic religions will come to rest, once we
fully understand and get to the pre-historic bottom of the old persian Zoroastrian religion.

 

[padamchen]

But allow me to introduce the angle, that the word magician is actually from old Farsi, Majoos.
The three magicians who visited Jesus upon birth, were actually 3 majoos from old Persia.

Also, The tomb of king Cyrus is in Persia, the the writings on his tomb, literally narrate the story that
is part of all abrahamic religions.

Fascinated ?
I know I am, and I think that the eternal tussle of 3 Abrahamic religions will come to rest, once we
fully understand and get to the pre-historic bottom of the old persian Zoroastrian religion.

@I.R.A

P.S. @Sinnerman108 The Magi were Mazdayasni priests. Not magicians.

The insinuation that Zoroastrians are magicians (the insinuation actually implying the dark arts) is derived from Islamic sources. And most probably Arabic. From what little I know ....

I remember @lastofthepatriots saying something similar once somewhere. Or it might have been someone else.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Gibbs]

Marriage and children is their business, so i wouldn't comment.

It is actually issue within the Parsi community and one that is being discussed about, I meant no offense

 

[suresh1773]

Jallikattu not integral to Tamils

The Supreme Court banned Jallikattu acknowledging that it is inherently cruel “as bulls are not anatomically suited to such activities, and that forcing them to participate subjects them to unnecessary pain and suffering".

It is a cruel sport.

Even Bullfighting was banned in the Spanish autonomous community of Catalonia by a vote of the Catalan Parliament in July 2010. The ban came into effect on 1 January 2012. The last bullfight in the region took place in Barcelona in September 2011.

 

[padamchen]

It is actually issue within the Parsi community and one that is being discussed about, I meant no offense

Bro I'll tell you the basic issue. There are many of course, but this one is the CRUX.

As a Parsi boy or girl in India (or anywhere in the world) it is not easy to find another parsi girl or boy of marriageable potential while you are looking in the natural way.

As say it would be for a Hindu or a Muslim or a Christian.

That is the key.

65,000 of us, mixed in 1.3 billion population base.

Its worse than finding a needle in a haystack.

Cheers, Doc

 

[manlion]

The Supreme Court banned Jallikattu acknowledging that it is inherently cruel “as bulls are not anatomically suited to such activities, and that forcing them to participate subjects them to unnecessary pain and suffering".


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It is a cruel sport.

Even Bullfighting was banned in the Spanish autonomous community of Catalonia by a vote of the Catalan Parliament in July 2010. The ban came into effect on 1 January 2012. The last bullfight in the region took place in Barcelona in September 2011.

typical anti Tamil sanghi / Hindutva / Brahmanist propaganda , equating IVC Tamil jallikattu (also known as Eruthazhuvuthal - bull carassing) with Spanish bull fight.

moronic sanghi
Maneka says jallikattu a Western concept
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...ern-concept-bjp-against-it/article6796717.ece

These are no ordinary bulls but specially selected, fed, looked after and trained for jallikattu. No bull is killed or harmed - cite case where bulls were killed or injured in jallikattu.

woman breeding Jallikattu bulls

Jallikattu - Not just a sport but a science.
http://historyoftamizhan.blogspot.com/2016/12/jallikattu-not-just-sport-but-science.html

Jallikattu an ancient Tamil cultural tradition that goes back to the IVC period which irks the Aryans and brahmanist supremacist.. arrogant Aryan Indians ignorant of Tamil culture need to shut up or left Tamils free. Jallikattu is an e.g of how Tamils are culturally diverse from ethnocentric Indian Nazis .

Lastly, bull fighting is Spain's cultural heritage and the Spanish court overturned Catalonia's ban

Jallikattu is Tamils cultural heritage , raping is cow belt sanghi cultural heritage

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I think there is difference in persian and parsi architecture.
former is derived from the later.
It's the original principles that I am interested to learn.

Before conversion to Islam, Persian architecture was Zoroastrian. After Islam, Persian architecture remained Persian. You can still see modern Persian buildings in the old style in Iran.

Zoroastrianism wasn’t the only religion in ancient Persia by the way, there was also Mazdakism (free ownership/free love) and Manichaeism (a religion which de-emphasized rituals from a prophet named Manu).

Zoroastrianism is obsessed with rituals and especially cleanliness. You have eternal fires which represent Ahura Mazda. Also they build the towers of silence, large pillars to allow vultures and crows to eat their dead, as dead bodies defile the earth.

 

[padamchen]

"
On the Elamite Persepolis Fortification Tablet 377, Ahura Mazda is invoked along with Mithra and Voruna (Apam Napat, probably Vedic Varuna, "water-god").
"

So, the ancient Persian religion , before Zoroastrianism was a sister religion of Vedic religion ? As deities like mithra, voruna are the same in both religions. So are some words like 'gathas', 'devas' and 'asuras'.

Yes.

Always has been.

Sadly the turds ruling in India today see only rich Jews ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[SQ8]

Yes.

Always has been.

Sadly the turds ruling in India today see only rich Jews ....

Cheers, Doc

The sadistic comedian in me would want us all to die and find ourselves in front of Zeus and Raa while thinking “dammit!”

But Im too much of a believer to let such thoughts be anything more than comedy.

 

[padamchen]

Before conversion to Islam, Persian architecture was Zoroastrian. After Islam, Persian architecture remained Persian. You can still see modern Persian buildings in the old style in Iran.

Zoroastrianism wasn’t the only religion in ancient Persia by the way, there was also Mazdakism (free ownership/free love) and Manichaeism (a religion which de-emphasized rituals from a prophet named Manu).

Zoroastrianism is obsessed with rituals and especially cleanliness. You have eternal fires which represent Ahura Mazda. Also they build the towers of silence, large pillars to allow vultures and crows to eat their dead, as dead bodies defile the earth.

Please read a bit more ...

Cheers, Doc

The sadistic comedian in me would want us all to die and find ourselves in front of Zeus and Raa while thinking “dammit!”

But Im too much of a believer to let such thoughts be anything more than comedy.

It's not religion at all.

I've always said that in the war to come, Muslims are going to be on the side, wondering what happened.

And Hindus are going to wonder who the enemy is.

This is politics and rebalancing of power across strictly regimented ancestral Hindu lines.

This is stoking and riding a class war.

This is India's French Revolution ....

Or the Czarist purge.

Either way I don't see it ending well for us.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Check these examples of traditional Persian Islamic architecture

Golestan Palace (Qatar dynasty)