Mumbai : Prove Fire Temple Is Important To You, State Tells Parsis

[Sinnerman108]

@I.R.A

P.S. @Sinnerman108 The Magi were Mazdayasni priests. Not magicians.

The insinuation that Zoroastrians are magicians (the insinuation actually implying the dark arts) is derived from Islamic sources. And most probably Arabic. From what little I know ....

I remember @lastofthepatriots saying something similar once somewhere. Or it might have been someone else.

Cheers, Doc

I didn't mean magician as in someone who practices magic
I wanted to talk about the derivation of the word,
Here is the christian account
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

 

[padamchen]

I didn't mean magician as in someone who practices magic
I wanted to talk about the derivation of the word,
Here is the christian account
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi

All Abrahamic faiths have their hangups about their parent theology.

The Bible is no different.

Today even the Jews, who were first saved from annihilation by us, want to destroy the land and people that sheltered them.

Muslims (derived specific from the first Muslims) have their obvious and very understandable hangups ....

Matters not. We are still here to show the way to the path of ASHA.

Ushta te.

Cheers, Doc

 

[MultaniGuy]

Iran is our land.

We do not move back as guests.

Cheers, Doc

Go fight the Shia Mullahs there then and reclaim your land. if you can that is

 

[Sinnerman108]

Bro I'll tell you the basic issue. There are many of course, but this one is the CRUX.

As a Parsi boy or girl in India (or anywhere in the world) it is not easy to find another parsi girl or boy of marriageable potential while you are looking in the natural way.

As say it would be for a Hindu or a Muslim or a Christian.

That is the key.

65,000 of us, mixed in 1.3 billion population base.

Its worse than finding a needle in a haystack.

Cheers, Doc

Find the needle is one thing,
but once you find the needle .... sew the heck out of it ..
what the point of finding needle, and then making only 1 , maybe 2 suit in a life time ?

 

[Roybot]

Kumbhakoni further raised questions about the petitioner's claims that the community's fire temples will be desecrated if the Metro III underground tunnel is constructed anywhere beneath the Atash Behram premises. "There has to be material evidence to prove that the entire premises needs a connection with the earth, and that the religion will collapse if the tunnel goes under the premises that are consecrated. This has not been proven as per the material available on record," he said.

No one is asking for the fire temples to be demolished. Parsis are claiming that the underground metro tunnels will desecrate the Fire/Temple if it passes underneath the structure.

They need to prove this with the help of religious scriptures. If not they should stop stalling the underground metro construction work. In return Mumbai metro should take extra care to ensure there is no structural damage caused to these fire temples.

@padamchen Am surprised you didn't bother to read the details, before jumping on the "India evil" bandwagon of the Pakistanis.

 

[I.R.A]

They need to prove this with the help of religious scriptures.

You want them to prove an Engineering thing with help of religious texts?

 

[Sinnerman108]

All Abrahamic faiths have their hangups about their parent theology.

The Bible is no different.

Today even the Jews, who were first saved from annihilation by us, want to destroy the land and people that sheltered them.

Muslims (derived specific from the first Muslims) have their obvious and very understandable hangups ....

Matters not. We are still here to show the way to the path of ASHA.

Ushta te.

Cheers, Doc

yes,
history and time change a lot of things.
I have a firm belief, that unless we understand the ancient persian connection
the 3 abrahamic religions will not be at peace.
The pre-moses and immediately post moses persia is the key.

anyway, back to architecture.

 

[Roybot]

You want them to prove an Engineering thing with help of religious texts?

It is not an engineering thing. They are saying that the underground tunnels will desecrate the Fire/ Fire temple.

 

[padamchen]

Find the needle is one thing,
but once you find the needle .... sew the heck out of it ..
what the point of finding needle, and then making only 1 , maybe 2 suit in a life time ?

3.

Khulla saand after that .... @Imran Khan

Cheers, Doc

 

[I.R.A]

It is not an engineering thing. They are saying that the underground tunnels will desecrate the Fire/ Fire temple.

Desecrate in what terms? Damage or insult / violate? There is possibility of damage ....

 

[padamchen]

No one is asking for the fire temples to be demolished. Parsis are claiming that the underground metro tunnels will desecrate the Fire/Temple if it passes underneath the structure.

They need to prove this with the help of religious scriptures. If not they should stop stalling the underground metro construction work. In return Mumbai metro should take extra care to ensure there is no structural damage caused to these fire temples.

@padamchen Am surprised you didn't bother to read the details, before jumping on the "India evil" bandwagon of the Pakistanis.

I'm openly secular, personally devout and orthodox.

I know my faith better than you and other Hindus do.

Cheers, Doc

yes,
history and time change a lot of things.
I have a firm belief, that unless we understand the ancient persian connection
the 3 abrahamic religions will not be at peace.
The pre-moses and immediately post moses persia is the key.

anyway, back to architecture.

A kindred spirit.

Cheers, Doc

You want them to prove an Engineering thing with help of religious texts?

It's not the engineering thing or the structure at all.

It's the Atash established within.

Have you seen the movie Avatar.

That in a very crude sense explains Zoroastrians and the Atash.

A living cleansing, rejuvenating, and shared portal of cosmic energy between the living earth, the Mazdayasni deen (Behdinan), and Ahura Mazda.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Roybot]

Desecrate in what terms? Damage or insult / violate? There is possibility of damage ....

From what I can gather from the article, the entire building needs to be connected to the "earth", there is no religious scripture backing this requirement.

A metro tunnel underneath the temple, would apparently disconnect the temple from the earth. They are not talking about the structural damage. For structural damage concern if any, there are engineering solutions available.

I'm openly secular, personally devout and orthodox.

I know my faith better than you and other Hindus do.

Cheers, Doc

Unfortunately, that's not near enough in today's India. Since the issue in court, your personal devotion and faith doesn't count. Just like it didn't in the case of Sabarimala Temple for Hindus.

There is a way around this, am sure.

 

[padamchen]

From what I can gather from the article, the entire building needs to be connected to the "earth", there is no religious scripture backing this requirement.

A metro tunnel underneath the temple, would apparently disconnect the temple from the earth. They are not talking about the structural damage. For structural damage if any there are engineering solutions available.



Unfortunately, that's not near enough in today's India. Since the issue in court, your personal devotion and faith doesn't count. Just like it didn't in the case of Sabarimala Temple for Hindus.

There is a way around this, am sure.

I do not need your sanctimonious sanghi BS.

Thanks for your time.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Roybot]

I do not need your sanctimonious sanghi BS.

Thanks for your time.

Cheers, Doc

Yeah that usually happens when one doesn't have a logical answer.

 

[I.R.A]

From what I can gather from the article, the entire building needs to be connected to the "earth", there is no religious scripture backing this requirement.

A metro tunnel underneath the temple, would apparently disconnect the temple from the earth. They are not talking about the structural damage. For structural damage if any there are engineering solutions available.

What I have understood from explanations provided by @padamchen the fire itself is classified and goes thru long processes of getting to a certain level of sanctity? If the foundations of the building are deep rooted inside the ground, then may be it has some truth ........ but still an Engineering marvel can provide soil base between the two? So the building still remains in touch with Earth.