Mujib's Search for the Fact about the Killing of Pakistan Army

[toxic_pus]

Md Akmal, you might as well copy pasted the Hamoodur Rahaman Commission report and be done with it. Whats the point of posting Qutubuddin's apologetic rants.

No academician , who is worth his/her salt, would even touch that book by a 10 ft barge pole.

 

[LaBong]

yeah yeah Bengali muslims are pathan, now go and say this to your pathan brethren from pak/afg, he may knock some sense into you.

 

[Bratva]

Md Akmal, you might as well copy pasted the Hamoodur Rahaman Commission report and be done with it. Whats the point of posting Qutubuddin's apologetic rants.

No academician , who is worth his/her salt, would even touch that book by a 10 ft barge pole.

Here is your bubble busted. Such a Hippocratic statement, Hamood ur rehman commission did point out the attroticites done by Mukti Bahini, and Did you Deny that Mukt Bahini were so saints that they didn't do such things that qutbuddin claimed?

If you dont know the iota of of something, then don't barge in here and start spreading false claims here. It's like you are saying Indian forces never killed civilians in kashmir and all the people killed so far by them are militants. Go get a life dude

 

[Bratva]

Md Akmal, you might as well copy pasted the Hamoodur Rahaman Commission report and be done with it. Whats the point of posting Qutubuddin's apologetic rants.

No academician , who is worth his/her salt, would even touch that book by a 10 ft barge pole.

I have heard the sorrows of my Father Cousin (A bihari) who survived Mukti bahini assault and how my Father cousin family was wiped out by them, and how he fled alone and reached Pakistan in the most desperate condition, and how was killing spree done by mukti bahini in His area.

That's the kind of stories you indians always try to reject and like to promote the Mukti bahini version so dearly. I pity you man

 

[Bratva]

So they were target killing Hindus? They tried to make this issue into a communal one but failed misrably.

You seem to be cheering this. You do realize you are living in a kaffir society and not looked on very highly.

Something similar may happen to the razakaars as well there as it happened in the Dhaka parade ground.

They were target killing the hooligans and those persons who were killing, looting, raping the non bengalis at that time.

 

[Md Akmal]

I wanted to make an elaborate answer to your comments. But, I think, it would be better if you read history books written by Muslim Historians in Persian, and by Bangali Hindu and English Historians to know how the politics of Bengal as well as India was dominated by the Pathans since after the Muslim conquest of north and east India in 1192 and 1198 respectively. It was a Turkic invasion from what is now Afghanistan and Turkic settlement, but many Pathans also came with them or afterwards, and settled in these regions with their families.

These people played a big role that finally established a Pathan Dynasty by Bahlul Lodi in (probably) 1450s. This dynasty was defeated by the Mughal Babar in 1526 AD and these people vacated north India, fled towards Bengal and settled there. Sher Shah Suri of Bengal united these Pathan Bangali Muslims under his banner, fought two wars against Humayun in south Bihar and forced him out of India in 1539 AD.

These Pathans united with the local muslims of Bengal to oppose Mughal onslaught that again started in 1570s by Emperor Akber and continued for more than 30 years of intensive war. Read one history titled, " The last Pathan Hero of Bengal" written by a great Historian named R. K. Bhattasali of Dhaka University.

It is about the Afghan Osman Khan whose ancestors were Pathans, who settled in Bengal. He moved to Sylhet with his people after Pathan Sultan Daud Khan Karrani of Bengal was defeated and killed by the Mughals in 1576 AD in the Battle of Rajmahal. His uncle Katlu Khan was a General in the army of Daud Khan.

Note that other than Raja Pratapadittyo of Jessore, Raja Mukundo Rai of Faridpur, Raja Chand Rai and Kedar Rai of Bakla or Barisal, all the other Chieftains of Bengal, combinedly known as Baro Bhuyian, belonged to Pathan stock. Names are Ibrahim Khan, Masum Khan Kabuli, Karim Dad Khan, Rahim Yar Khan, Anwar Khan, Majlish Kutub of Faridpur, Osman Khan of Sylhet etc. People of this region fought against the Mughals under their leadership.

All of these Chieftains were sub-ordinate to Isa Khan Afghan who was regarded as a Pathan because his mother, Fatema Khanam, belonged to a Pathan family of Bengal. Isa Khan's father was a Rajput whose name was Kalidash Gazdani. He was a very rich trader in Bengal and had a good relationship with the ruling class. He took Islam and married Fatema Khanam. Emperor Jahangir called their son,' 'Afghan Isa Khan' in his famous memoir 'Tuzukh.' It was because of his mother's line of descent.

So, Pathan Muslims, who had settled in this region many centuries ago and had ultimately lost their identity and became Bangali Muslims, were the dominant force in the politics of Bengal and also of other parts of India for quite a few centuries.

@ Why the Babu,s of West Bengal are hating the Pathans race ? Is the Pathan races are so bad. History is history, no one can deny it.

@ It is well known that Sher Shah Suri was a great Pathan and was settled at Malda district. And my assumption the whole lot greater Maldaha, Chapai-Nobabganj, Rajshahi, Natore, Noagaon have their Pathan blood.

@ As per my appreciation, the greater Sylheti people have an origin from Turkish blood, greater Noakhali people belongs to Arab blood, the Chittagonian people having a mixed blood of Arabs, Abbisinia, Purtegaze, old Dacca people have Mugal blood, Commilla people have a mixed tribal blood from Tripura, Mymensigh people having a mixed blood of Rajputs,Assami and other Indian bloods.

@ I can find the only Bengalee people in Tangail, Pabna, greater Dinajpur, Bogra, Jessore, Khulna, Magura, Satkhira and Kushtia.

@ Most of the muslim people of Jhenaidhah, portion of Kushtia and Satkhira came from West Bengal.

@ As per the muslim schoolars of East Bengal around 30% muslims of Bengal having a foreign origin, some from Arabs, some from Afgans, some from Persia, some from Turkey, some from Abbisinia, some from Central Asia and so on. About 30 to 35 % are mixed blood and the rest may be local Bengalee indigenious. We the muslim Bengalees of East Bengal are a heto-genious instead of homo-genious nation. The only thing common is the religion and in the course of time Bengalee became the "Kottho Basha" in this region.

 

[Md Akmal]

I have heard the sorrows of my Father Cousin (A bihari) who survived Mukti bahini assault and how my Father cousin family was wiped out by them, and how he fled alone and reached Pakistan in the most desperate condition, and how was killing spree done by mukti bahini in His area.

That's the kind of stories you indians always try to reject and like to promote the Mukti bahini version so dearly. I pity you man

@ It was because they sponsored them since during that time nothing was within the control of Mujib Govt. It was instigated by the RAW. Even there were prove that once Mujib was arrested Dr Kamal Hossain through his army relative brother in law informed that he would like to surrened and soon he surrendered. On interrogation it reveals that he himself was feeling in secured and was telling, "They will kill me".

 

[Bratva]

@ It was because they sporsored them since during that time nothing was within the control of Mujib Govt. It was instigated by the RAW. Even there were prove that once Mujib was arrested Dr Kamal Hossain through his army relative brother in law informed that he would like to surrened and soon he surrendered. On interrogation it reveals that he himself was feeling in secured and was telling, "They will kill me".

Md AKmal, i became emotional just because of that Indian. But Just as i claim in my previous post, I will say it again. We don't deny what Pak Army Did, But we deny that it was done just to ethnically cleanse the bengalis. It was all done to quell the rioters, murders, hooligans wo all mixed up with the civilian bengalis and Army was in such duress due to No supplies coming from west, Hostile attitude of the people of land, low morale, that they didn't identify properly and Such thing happened from them.

 

[Vinod2070]

They were target killing the hooligans and those persons who were killing, looting, raping the non bengalis at that time.

By checking their circumcision and asking them to recite the kalama?

 

[Md Akmal]

next time try to write ur own National anthem . instead of using one written by a third class bharati poet like Tagore

@ You know punit why it was made our National anthlem ? As because in the next struggle we want to see you with us. Mamata has already expressed her feeling while Sk Hasina congratulates her, "Mone goch chelo jano epar bangla opar bangla ek hoe hache".

 

[LaBong]

@ Why the Babu,s of West Bengal are hating the Pathans race ? Is the Pathan races are so bad. History is history, no one can deny it.

I don't hate or love Pathans, I'm just indifferent to them. They are just another ethnic group among hundreds others in subcontinent. I do laud their non-subservient attitude even though all the stereotype about money and all attached to them, they assassinated most British officers along with Bengalis during colonial era.

What I've not been able to fathom is why some people feel proud of having imagined Pathan ancestry, specially when most of them consider you as inferior darkies with a clever mind. :s

Stockholm Syndrome anyone?

 

[desioptimist]

I think pathans are depicted as innocent but proud people in hindi movies. dont know how true it is, any pathan here?

 

[toxic_pus]

Here is your bubble busted. Such a Hippocratic statement, Hamood ur rehman commission did point out the attroticites done by Mukti Bahini, and Did you Deny that Mukt Bahini were so saints that they didn't do such things that qutbuddin claimed?

I have heard the sorrows of my Father Cousin (A bihari) who survived Mukti bahini assault and how my Father cousin family was wiped out by them, and how he fled alone and reached Pakistan in the most desperate condition, and how was killing spree done by mukti bahini in His area.

Nobody is denying that atrocities were committed by Mukti Bahini. What is nauseating is the attempt to place both Mukti Bahinis and the murderous PA, and their trusted snitch, the Biharis, on the same platform. While PA massacred systematically, in a planned manner, with a clear objective, with direct help from those Biharis, Mukti Bahinis reacted to these atrocities. Professional crooks like Qutubuddin try to paint both with the same brush deliberately forgetting that the crimes of the oppressed can't be equated to the crimes of the oppressor, particularly where the context of the crimes committed by the oppressed is provided by the oppressor himself.

If a rape victim gouges out one eye of a rapist, then the context of the rape victim's aggression is the criminal act of rape on her. No sane person would claim that the rape victim's act is as criminal as that of the rapist. Except perhaps you.

If you dont know the iota of of something, then don't barge in here and start spreading false claims here. It's like you are saying Indian forces never killed civilians in kashmir and all the people killed so far by them are militants. Go get a life dude

That's the kind of stories you indians always try to reject and like to promote the Mukti bahini version so dearly. I pity you man

Right.

 

[toxic_pus]

We don't deny what Pak Army Did, But we deny that it was done just to ethnically cleanse the bengalis.

Poppycock. After cleansing the Awami Leaguers, PA attempted to clean BD off the minorities.

It was all done to quell the rioters, murders, hooligans wo all mixed up with the civilian bengalis and Army was in such duress due to No supplies coming from west, Hostile attitude of the people of land, low morale, that they didn't identify properly and Such thing happened from them.

This is grape A horsemanure. Till 25th March, 1971 there was no major rioting. In fact AL had adopted the Gandhian way on non-cooperation through peaceful means. Except for a few stray incidents, there was nothing that would justify the Army action on 25th.

'That Indian' can quote directly from declassified US documents, ICJ reports and foreign newspaper reports to prove his point. I can assure you, it won't be pretty for you. Alternatively you can look around. There are many threads on this topic.

 

[toxic_pus]

By checking their circumcision and asking them to recite the kalama?

This Pakistani habit of staring at another man's tool is really disturbing.