Mufti Muneeb hits back at Fawad on moon controversy

[RealNapster]

While i agree that a new moon sighting dept needs to be constituted consisting of people with actual scientific credentials in the field and i think the current comitte is a bunch of egoistical jokers yet as of things stand right now, the Halal Committee is the national authority on declaration of start of Ramazan. Popalzai niether had nor has any right to make an entire province act in contradiction with the rest of the country. Pashtoons need to stop acting like elaqa gher ke tribals and start acting like consituents of the federation.

Popalzai have no right to do so under state control i agree.

Pushtoon need to stop acting like elaka gher ky tribals i agree.

But those pashtoon (if you ask them) will give you half a dozen examples of this committee making wrong decisions and skipping first ramadan. Pashtoon in general are very religious people. If some one try to make them skip the first ramadan despite they have seen the moon. They will give him a flying F.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Janab ye state ki responsibility banti hy kay wo isko b seedha lry or popalzai ko b... aik apni anaa me mast dosra usky muqaable me jhuta hua.... aakhir log q follow kr rahy popalzai ko ? Qunky wo janty hy kay Doorbeen ky samne picture kinchwane wale bandy ne hamari call e ni utaani... aap inki call ithae inki shaahdat note kry or uspe faisla dy to kia zaroort inko koi or masjid kolne ki ?

Shahadat ky waqat masjid qasim ali khan me talaqy ralwai jati hy bandy se (as per what i have heard) . masjid me bitaa ky kay 3 dfa bolo agar tm jhoot bol rahy ho to tmhare bivi tm par talak... yar koi banda masjid me ghusl krky, teen dfa jhoot boly ga upar se talaky dega bivi ko apni just because he want to fast one day ahead ???!! Mean uska kia faida aisy jhoot bolne me ?

State kon run kar rha hain bolhein phir un ko k solve this issues if its creating unnecessary divide . UK main be be tu Pakistani Muslims ye ahe drame laga rhey hain 2/2 eidein

 

[RealNapster]

State kon run kar rha hain bolhein phir un ko k solve this issues if its creating unnecessary divide . UK main be be tu Pakistani Muslims ye ahe drame laga rhey hain 2/2 eidein

Janab UK ko chroy... wahan insan rehty hy. Or state ko dika hy na tbhe to federal minister ne bayan dia. To ye usky pechy pr gya kay stay away from religion. Khair, i hope the issue get resloved within a year with changes to curremt Hilal committee structure. Remove Mufti muneeb and make a person from meterological department head of the committee.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Janab UK ko chroy... wahan insan rehty hy. Or state ko dika hy na tbhe to federal minister ne bayan dia. To ye usky pechy pr gya kay stay away from religion. Khair, i hope the issue get resloved within a year with changes to curremt Hilal committee structure. Remove Mufti muneeb and make a person from meterological department head of the committee.

Yes masla hul hona Chaya har saal drama lagta ha Ramzan aur eid par
molvi sehbaan k bech main se nikal he dey bunda lakin phir be issue rhey ha mullah poplazai phir elaan kar dey ga apni masjid se

 

[PakSword]

Janab ye state ki responsibility banti hy kay wo isko b seedha lry or popalzai ko b... aik apni anaa me mast dosra usky muqaable me jhuta hua.... aakhir log q follow kr rahy popalzai ko ? Qunky wo janty hy kay Doorbeen ky samne picture kinchwane wale bandy ne hamari call e ni utaani... aap inki call ithae inki shaahdat note kry or uspe faisla dy to kia zaroort inko koi or masjid kolne ki ?

Shahadat ky waqat masjid qasim ali khan me talaqy ralwai jati hy bandy se (as per what i have heard) . masjid me bitaa ky kay 3 dfa bolo agar tm jhoot bol rahy ho to tmhare bivi tm par talak... yar koi banda masjid me ghusl krky, teen dfa jhoot boly ga upar se talaky dega bivi ko apni just because he want to fast one day ahead ???!! Mean uska kia faida aisy jhoot bolne me ?

If the previous month (shabaan) was of thirty days, first day moon remains in the sky for a longer period. If first day moon is sighted on 29th of the month, it remains there for a very short time and is difficult to see in the sky. So your logic is a little wrong. However, this mufti muneeb is an egoistic man and should be removed from this important post.

In my opinion, moon sighted anywhere in the world, whole Muslim world should follow that sighting. I remember I read a hadith in which a man came on a horse from a faraway mountain area, no one else could see the moon, but he gave the shahadah long after maghrib because he was coming from far, his shahadah was accepted. I will search that hadith and post that here. This hadith tells us that shahadah coming through the fastest communication channel of that time was accepted for Muslims living in madinah who couldn't see the moon themselves. Prophet peace be upon him didn't say that madinah will not fast, but the area from where the man is coming should declare the next month.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1125525155583860736

 

[PakSword]

This is one of the riwayah I was talking about... It was for shawwal moon and prophet peace be upon him asked the people to break the fast..

Abu ‘Umayr ibn Anas reported from his paternal uncles among the Ansaar who said: “It was cloudy and we could not see the new moon of Shawwaal, so we started the day fasting, then a caravan came at the end of the day and told the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that they had seen the new moon of Shawwaal the day before, so he told the people to stop fasting, and they went out to pray the Eid prayer the next day.” [Reported by the five. It is sahih; al-Irwaa’, 3/102, Abu Dawud 1153]

@RealNapster

 

[YeBeWarned]

Sab Ganda hai par dhanda hai yeh ..

 

[Hassan90]

All saudis wahabi lover wanting start of ramadhan with saudis lol why am i not surprised? these wahabi lover can go to saudi arab and try to follow their own bs of announcing the moonsighting and see how saudi state butchers them like terrorist which most of them are . Its unfortunate that only in this country these ppl can go on and spread their fitnah when there is a gov body for the task.saudis have made couple of time wrong decision when it comes to ramadan and it is very well known what kind of system they follow Unlike in pakistan where gov commitee is present in every province and trying their best to follow the sunnah ..which is to see for moon with naken eye. .. We are not turkey who make 10 years calander and we are not saudis who make mistakes which we can ignore because its land of tawheed in wahabi/salafi cult.

 

[PakSword]

All saudis wahabi lover wanting start of ramadhan with saudis lol why am i not surprised? these wahabi lover can go to saudi arab and try to follow their own bs of announcing the moonsighting and see how saudi state butchers them like terrorist which most of them are . Its unfortunate that only in this country these ppl can go on and spread their fitnah when there is a gov body for the task.saudis have made couple of time wrong decision when it comes to ramadan and it is very well known what kind of system they follow Unlike in pakistan where gov commitee is present in every province and trying their best to follow the sunnah ..which is to see for moon with naken eye. .. We are not turkey who make 10 years calander and we are not saudis who make mistakes which we can ignore because its land of tawheed in wahabi/salafi cult.

Brother it's not about Saudi or Irani fiqh.

Imagine for a second, if boundaries of Pakistan included Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, and the royat e hilal committee was headed by mufti muneeb, would Muslims of different areas within a huge Pakistani state announce the month separate? Islam is not confined to boundaries. Even if moon is sighted in US but not in KSA, people of KSA should act upon the people of usa. This is my opinion based on the hadith I have quoted above.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1125525155583860736

This report is wrong as shabaan was already a 30 month day this year here in middle East. There is no way moon can't be sighted on the 30th, unless previous month's moon was wrongly sighted.

 

[Hassan90]

Brother it's not about Saudi or Irani fiqh.

Imagine for a second, if boundaries of Pakistan included Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, and the royat e hilal committee was headed by mufti muneeb, would Muslims of different areas within a huge Pakistani state announce the month separate? Islam is not confined to boundaries. Even if moon is sighted in US but not in KSA, people of KSA should act upon the people of usa. This is my opinion based on the hadith I have quoted above.

Thats true and i think that witnesses should be heard . But in pakistans case its different ,..why is that its always popalzai which sees moon one Day earlier , mostly with saudiland but not the gov commitee in that province ?and why is that some ppl in that province see moon when their is no remote chance of sighting the moon when put up against satelliet data /moon data? Its all about perception and i sense unfortunately again our wahabi/salafi fitnah trying their best to kiss *** of their overlord in the wababiland which is for me unacceptable, we will not be held hostage to their decision, simple!

 

[PakSword]

why is that its always popalzai which sees moon one Day earlier , mostly with saudiland but not the gov commitee in that province

I think we must stop thinking about populzai or mufti muneeb. The issue here is that what if Muslim riyasat expands from Australia to United States with one royat e hilal committee... Will we announce one date across all regions or different dates?

I think Muslims are understanding the whole issue incorrectly. We must come out of this regional or country specific moon sighting and embrace one global sighting principle. Moon sighted in the first region should be considered to be the start of the month for the whole Islamic world.

Imagine if a moon is seen in the western most province of Afghanistan, and Eid is announced there, but not sighted in Pakistan so no Eid here, villages divided between the two countries just few kilometers apart will be celebrating Eid on a different day... Although they are very near...

This is why I consider this boundary specific concept extremely absurd.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

I think we must stop thinking about populzai or mufti muneeb. The issue here is that what if Muslim riyasat expands from Australia to United States with one royat e hilal committee... Will we announce one date across all regions or different dates?

I think Muslims are understanding the whole issue incorrectly. We must come out of this regional or country specific moon sighting and embrace one global sighting principle. Moon sighted in the first region should be considered to be the start of the month for the whole Islamic world.

Imagine if a moon is seen in the western most province of Afghanistan, and Eid is announced there, but not sighted in Pakistan so no Eid here, villages divided between the two countries just few kilometers apart will be celebrating Eid on a different day... Although they are very near...

This is why I consider this boundary specific concept extremely absurd.

Global sighting is impossible due to the spherical earth with time-zone differences.

For example, (1) if the moon was reported to have been sighted in Brisbane, Australia (GMT+10 hrs) then all locations to the West following the above opinion would most probably make the declaration after their Dhuhr or Asr prayer and local moon sighting would be abandoned; (2) if there were no moon sighting in the East and they were waiting for news from the far West, until California, USA (GMT – 8 hrs) claimed a sighting then it will be past their Fajr time and possibly past mid-morning in far East location such as Brisbane. Even if UK was to wait for news from USA (California), it will be past Fajr time (4 am) next morning, apart from additional problem of verifying foreign news.

https://www.moonsighting.org.uk/en/uk-moon-sighting-criteria.html?start=2

 

[PakAlp]

Molvi Popalzai is the one causing fitna. Why blame the Hilal committe. They cannot declare moon sighting when all those responsible for the sighting have not seen it. What if molvi Popalzai claims he has sighted the moon on the 27th. Will Pakistan start Ramadan on the 28th???

Fawad chaudhry is saying start Ramadan on the birth of the moon. Meaning when it's a new moon but in Islam we start the month on the crescent sighting because the new moon is not visible. He makes no sense.

Pakistan Hilal committe is the official body and when they declare the sighting then all Pakistanis should accept it rather than cause fitna

 

[PakAlp]

Keep in mind guys. We pray salah due to sun sighting and every country as well as every city has their own sighting based on where the sun is and based on their own sunrise sunset timings. This causes no fitna so why should moon sighting cause fitna. This is just propaganda caused by certain people