Mountain strike corps formally raised, its 1st division formed

[Capt.Popeye]

don't you know your military commanders are overrated !!!

SOS (Scheisse On a Stick)!!!

 

[Alphacharlie]

The correct usage is "Chicom"...lol. I assume at least a portion of these divisions will be air-mobile? Or barring that able to be supplied mainly by air?

NEXT POST WILL BE CHINESE "LIAO-LING" WILL DEFEAT 7TH FLEET

THIS FORUM IS FLOODED ON PARSES OF MING CLASS

CHINCOMS WERE SMASHED BY VIETCOMS IN 1977 WAR...

MY APATHY IS IN 1962 WE WERE LEAD OF A POOR LEADER..

OUR ARMY OF 80 K STOOD AGAINS 1.2 Million

 

[Donatello]

@Oscar; its not so simple as that. Even the numbers game is not so important. The last time around the old British "Plains Pattern of set-piece" battles was used, which was inappropriate. Now the emphasis is on some mobile elements using terrain to advantage while the set-piece emplacements only provide covering fire. Most of all is the air-assets that will be used, something that was not considered earlier. Then remember sustaining the supply line is extremely difficult in that terrain.

Then how are the PLA troops able to cross into Indian regions?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Then how are the PLA troops able to cross into Indian regions?

There is no border fence there, what they are crossing into is in 'disputed territory' or no-mans land. Both Armies cross into that area (which is open ground) in patrols and then return to their posts. The posts on either side are in strategically located and defensible positions. These areas that are intruded into by both Army's patrols are not. So there is no "shooting war", and they withdraw to their posts. Read up some more on this (ideally from some books) and also use a topo-map of the area. Then you might understand what is possible there and what is not.

There is no War there, so both sides indulge in this "Border Ballet" with the attendant statements back and forth.

 

[Donatello]

There is no border fence there, what they are crossing into is in 'disputed territory' or no-mans land. Both Armies cross into that area (which is open ground) in patrols and then return to their posts. The posts on either side are in strategically located and defensible positions. These areas that are intruded into by both Army's patrols are not. So there is no "shooting war", and they withdraw to their posts. Read up some more on this (ideally from some books) and also use a topo-map of the area. Then you might understand what is possible there and what is not.

There is no War there, so both sides indulge in this "Border Ballet" with the attendant statements back and forth.

i understand the topography of that area. It's not unique to India-China Border.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

i understand the topography of that area. It's not unique to India-China Border.

You do not understand; and hence you came with many ***umptions in various posts on this thread. Which is why I very pointedly counselled you to look at a topo-map of the terrain which extends all the way from Ladakh in Jammu and Kashmir to Arunachal Pradesh bordering Myanmar trending through Nepal and Bhutan all along the way. You might well find that to be enlightening.

 

[saikumar]

go india go

 

[SQ8]

@Oscar; its not so simple as that. Even the numbers game is not so important. The last time around the old British "Plains Pattern of set-piece" battles was used, which was inappropriate. Now the emphasis is on some mobile elements using terrain to advantage while the set-piece emplacements only provide covering fire. Most of all is the air-assets that will be used, something that was not considered earlier. Then remember sustaining the supply line is extremely difficult in that terrain.

Supply line issues are being addressed on both sides I believe but limited to FoB level and not all the way to the FLOT so to speak. Afghanistan-isque tactics may prove useful but it has to be remembered that both the PLA and IA are fairly professional and quite well trained; which means that choppers will no longer be merrily on their way in passes but will have to look out for MANPAD ambushes, hidden AA emplacements.. and so on. Aircraft may provide top cover but they too will be hard pressed to expose themselves to SAM and AAA in those areas. CAS will be a nightmare for both unless there are exposed areas that are easy to target via guided weapons. In either case, it will not be a one sided.. nor pretty fight. A lot of equipment will be lost on both sides as the terrain is unforgiving and not very accommodating to technology... the American experience in Afg is proof enough that Sats, Guided weapons and gunships are still vulnerable to ragtag militias hiding away.. what is to be said of professional armies.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Supply line issues are being addressed on both sides I believe but limited to FoB level and not all the way to the FLOT so to speak. Afghanistan-isque tactics may prove useful but it has to be remembered that both the PLA and IA are fairly professional and quite well trained; which means that choppers will no longer be merrily on their way in passes but will have to look out for MANPAD ambushes, hidden AA emplacements.. and so on. Aircraft may provide top cover but they too will be hard pressed to expose themselves to SAM and AAA in those areas. CAS will be a nightmare for both unless there are exposed areas that are easy to target via guided weapons. In either case, it will not be a one sided.. nor pretty fight. A lot of equipment will be lost on both sides as the terrain is unforgiving and not very accommodating to technology... the American experience in Afg is proof enough that Sats, Guided weapons and gunships are still vulnerable to ragtag militias hiding away.. what is to be said of professional armies.

It was and will remain a "foot-slogger's war", there with only light arty support.
Air-Assets will be employed primarily for replenishment, but CAS/BAS can be called upon and used if seriously required. Just as PGMs and JDAMs can be used depending on needs. Also as Tactical Missile Batys can be.
MANPADs are not really the "silver bullet" wrt AAD since counter measures are now available and the operating envelopes of MANPADs are also circumscribed. Its the terrain in the East that is most interesting and can throw up the most unusual results wrt to conventional wisdom or thinking.

 

[HariPrasad]

In my opinion what we need is some highly specific weapon for Mountain warfare which may inflict disproportionate damage to enemy. All conflict in these Himalayan region are most probably going to remain limited area conflict. We should ensure maximum damage to enemy in that limited war. Light howitzer, Apache, LCH equipped with Helina, Night Vision etc are required . Small weapons are going to play very important role. Some exercise in similar terrine will revel the specific need of some weapon.

 

[SQ8]

It was and will remain a "foot-slogger's war", there with only light arty support.
Air-Assets will be employed primarily for replenishment, but CAS/BAS can be called upon and used if seriously required. Just as PGMs and JDAMs can be used depending on needs. Also as Tactical Missile Batys can be.
MANPADs are not really the "silver bullet" wrt AAD since counter measures are now available and the operating envelopes of MANPADs are also circumscribed. Its the terrain in the East that is most interesting and can throw up the most unusual results wrt to conventional wisdom or thinking.

I doubt that there will be a full scale war in these regions.. Honestly there is little as such of value in the wastelands other than posturing. Light skirmishes maybe, nothing of the full scale sort expected.
The Chinese do not engage unless there is some value(tangible or intangible) to be gained.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I doubt that there will be a full scale war in these regions.. Honestly there is little as such of value in the wastelands other than posturing. Light skirmishes maybe, nothing of the full scale sort expected.
The Chinese do not engage unless there is some value(tangible or intangible) to be gained.

There is little likelihood of even skirmishes there. Both India and China have other things on their minds. So there will only more of "Border Ballets", "Banner Drills", a flurry of statements on either side ..........then followed by Flag Meetings where the Conclave gets together drinks toasts of good Indian Cane Rum and Chinese Mao-Tai followed by Momos, Thukpa and Curry Rice.
While the ordinary Chinese soldiers cadge some CDs of Indian filmy music, from their Indian counterparts. Its precisely through this route that Music-Cassettes of a particularly kitschy Bollywood film "I am a Disco Dancer" entered Tibet, became a best-seller there and in the surrounding regions of China (in the 80s or 90s) and every foreign visitor to that part of China was subjected to its cacophony while travelling in Taxis or Buses!!!

 

[Indischer]

There is little likelihood of even skirmishes there. Both India and China have other things on their minds. So there will only more of "Border Ballets", "Banner Drills", a flurry of statements on either side ..........then followed by Flag Meetings where the Conclave gets together drinks toasts of good Indian Cane Rum and Chinese Mao-Tai followed by Momos, Thukpa and Curry Rice.
While the ordinary Chinese soldiers cadge some CDs of Indian filmy music, from their Indian counterparts. Its precisely through this route that Music-Cassettes of a particularly kitschy Bollywood film "I am a Disco Dancer" entered Tibet, became a best-seller there and in the surrounding regions of China (in the 80s or 90s) and every foreign visitor to that part of China was subjected to its cacophony while travelling in Taxis or Buses!!!

Really!? Most interesting story that...

But what's the purpose of raising these Mountain Brigades, if not to hold onto captured land in a possible protracted war?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Really!? Most interesting story that...

But what's the purpose of raising these Mountain Brigades, if not to hold onto captured land in a possible protracted war?

In a War; they will get used, ie they will fight. Till then; their presence will deter a shooting war.

 

[Ra'ad]

What is a mountain strike corps? Anyway congrats for building a new corps.
Mountain trolls and mountain gorillas. Gotta recruit them too. Very effective in mountainous terrain. :p