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[Hurshid Celebi]

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http://www.defensetech.org/2015/01/02/a-tale-of-two-gatling-guns-f-35-vs-a-10/

By comparison, the 30mm, seven-barrel GAU-8/A Avenger in the nose of the venerable Warthog attack aircraft can hold as many as 1,174 rounds. It’s configured to fire at a fixed rate of fire of 3,900 rounds per minute.

The GAU-22/A, a four-barrel version of the 25mm GAU-12/U Equalizer rotary cannon found on the Marine Corps’ AV-8B Harrier II jump set, is designed to be internally mounted on the Air Force’s F-35A version of the aircraft and hold 182 rounds. It’s slated to be externally mounted on the Marine Corps’ F-35B jump-jet variant and the Navy’s F-35C aircraft carrier version and hold 220 rounds.

 

[ali_raza]

Yes. A-10 Warthog has Gatling Gun, special ammo and is not comparable to normal 30 mm cannons afaik.

have more grain ammo.while appachi have i think 37 grain ammo

 

[Fenrir]

30mm can take out armored vehicles, even 25mm gun on Bradley IFVs can do that.

Yup, and the M2 Bradely actually scored several verified kills against Iraq T-55s in Iraq using its 25mm cannon.

And 25mm tungsten APDS-T.

Reports of kills against T-72s are also present, but largely unverified. US vehicles, the Stryker in particular, are being up armed with a 30mm cannon.

In general the 25 and 30mm cannons are sure kills against light tanks, can take out medium tanks either at close range or from behind, and have difficulty against heavy or main battle tanks, but can score mobility kills or penetrate the tank from the rear.

Using incendiary or AP rounds, and hitting the tank from above where the armor is generally thinnest, the 25 or 30mm helicopter guns can and have scored kills against tanks.

The M789 High Explosive Dual Purpose round used on the M230 gun of the Apache can penetrate anywhere between 4-6 inches of homogenous rolled steel - the metal MBTs are made of.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Yes. A-10 Warthog has Gatling Gun, special ammo and is not comparable to normal 30 mm cannons afaik.

hence I didnt mention A-10.. thats a plane.. we are talking helicopters

that gun is one of a kind .. the plane is made around it. its pretty much a flying gun . we are talking about a twig under the chin of a helicopter in comparison to that A10 behemoth

 

[Muhammad Omar]

so we are getting z10 and t129??

 

[Basel]

Yup, and the M2 Bradely actually scored several verified kills against Iraq T-55s in Iraq using its 25mm cannon.

And 25mm tungsten APDS-T.
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Reports of kills against T-72s are also present, but largely unverified. US vehicles, the Stryker in particular, are being up armed with a 30mm cannon.

In general the 25 and 30mm cannons are sure kills against light tanks, can take out medium tanks either at close range or from behind, and have difficulty against heavy or main battle tanks, but can score mobility kills or penetrate the tank from the rear.

Using incendiary or AP rounds, and hitting the tank from above where the armor is generally thinnest, the 25 or 30mm helicopter guns can and have scored kills against tanks.

And if you put Depleted Uranium rounds like the one's used by A-10s with there 30mm GAU-8 Avengers then what results it can generate?

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

we are talking helicopters

Yes bro. Absolute Right. Discussion changed to cannons.
On rotary wings it depends on ammo specifications as Techgiant wrote.

The firepower of a A-10 is unsurpassed. Allied operations in Syria against ISIS get CAS from them.
There are almost no rotary wings in the air.

Remember during Medina Ridge 3 or 4 A-10 s destroyed Iraqis last line defense the armored Revolution Guard division in Basra.

Thirty-eight of the Iraqi tanks were destroyed by U.S. Army AH-64 Apaches and U.S. Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt IIs.

The battle, which was waged over approximately two hours, was the largest tank battle of the war and the largest tank battle in American history.

so we are getting z10 and t129??

Pakistan eyes purchase of Turkish T129 helicopters

Maybe. But the engines are under export restrictions.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Yes bro. Absolute Right. Discussion changed to cannons.
On rotary wings it depends on ammo specifications as Techgiant wrote.

The firepower of a A-10 is unsurpassed. Allied operations in Syria against ISIS get CAS from them.
There are almost no rotary wings in the air.

Remember during Medina Ridge 3 or 4 A-10 s destroyed Iraqis last line defense the armored Revolution Guard division in Basra.

Thirty-eight of the Iraqi tanks were destroyed by U.S. Army AH-64 Apaches and U.S. Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt IIs.

The battle, which was waged over approximately two hours, was the largest tank battle of the war and the largest tank battle in American history.



Pakistan eyes purchase of Turkish T129 helicopters

Maybe. But the engines are under export restrictions.

restrictions are because of Indian influence which can be nullified if we join the Saudis and start bombing Hospitals in Yemen. Saudi influence supersedes Indians by a mile.

if that happens the Americans will request Turks to provide one extra engine to Pakistan with each T-129 unit
recall that despite all this 9/11 sue drama and rants against Muslims.. Bush administration quietly and quickly helped the Osama family and some other dodgy Saudi elites leave America during 9/11.. Saudis like the Israelis have the Americans by the balls.

 

[Fenrir]

And if you put Depleted Uranium rounds like the one's used by A-10s with there 30mm GAU-8 Avengers then what results it can generate?

They'll increase penetration and add an incendiary effect, without using dedicated API rounds. The current M719 will penetrate between 10 and 15 centimeters, but the M919, the current DU penetrator found primarily on the Bradley - and not known to be in service outside of the US - was designed to provide increased lethality at greater distances against a wider class of targets.

The exact penetration value isn't know, but I'd estimate it to be able to penetrate at least 2-3 inches more, compared to the previous generation M719, as the M919 was made specifically to outclass and replace it.

In testing and exercises with the Norwegian Army, the 25mm M242 has been able to penetrate a minimum of 5 inches of steel plate with AFDS-T rounds while retaining lethality for any targets behind. Norway does not use DU penetrators.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Pakistan eyes purchase of Turkish T129 helicopters

Maybe. But the engines are under export restrictions.

But i thought T-129 with rolls Royce were offered to Pakistan and Pakistan is getting 15 Zulu still US have issues with engines??

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

But i thought T-129 with rolls Royce were offered to Pakistan and Pakistan is getting 15 Zulu still US have issues with engines??

Zulus - AH-1 Z ?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Zulus - AH-1 Z ?

yupe 15 of them with 1000 hellfire missiles in 2018

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

yupe 15 of them with 1000 hellfire missiles in 2018

Good hunt. Hope we will see T-129 ATAK in Pakistan and Azerbeycan.

“We definitely see Turkey as a hub from which to extend in the region.”

December/11/2015

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tu...-----.aspx?pageID=238&nID=92401&NewsCatID=345

 

[Signalian]

cant kill a tank with that gun. its role is anti personal and lighter vehicles. I dont know if Apache's chain gun has the ability to disable a tank with its high velocity depleted uranium rounds (and if those tanks are MBT class).. for anti tank role these gunships come with dedicated missiles that are used for that sole purpose.

30mm is not used as anti-personnel, rather used as anti-material and anti-AFV. 30mm can use AP and HE rounds whereas M-197 20mm of Cobra uses HE rounds basically.

30mm on Gunship can probably target turret top or the engine compartment/igniting the fuel tanks but with new improvements it may just damage gunner/commander sights. Although PAA will use ATGM to engage MBT, 30mm should be able to take on all other AFV's like APC/IFV, SP Arty, heavily reinforced bunkers etc.

30mm is also uses in AA role so anti-gunship is also possible, though Z-10 carries PL series A2A missiles.

AH-64 used 30mm to engage an Iraqi T-72.
"The 30mm gun systems were very lethal and destroyed targets at ranges out to 4 kilometers when accurate. One T-72 turret (rear portion) was penetrated by 30mm HEDP rounds."

 

[Isotope]

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Lol............well observed.