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Most French people think Islam is incompatible with nation's values: PM

Not very old history while Mughals or Muslims was ruling India th Europe was in dark and were busy to killing each other thousands and thousands died coz of their bloody wars, fall and rising of a nation is continued phononema. The Indonesia Malasiya Turkey are bright example of Muslim secular countries. You can not match secularism with fundamism Mr PM, the exterism spreading in your countries are the result which you sow in past. You destroy all Africa ME and subcontinent with your barberism and were busy to spreading chrisitianity with hook or crook.
Now western agenda is to paint Islam Un civilized religion and paint themselves as saints.
 
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Then why not change yr values and make them incompatible with changing dynamics of the time and world. This isnt 18 or 19 century anymore.
 
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Joe Sir, you are correct that Guru Gobind Sing Ji, made some practices official (which were prevalent in the times of the former Gurus), and also created a code of conduct for the Sikhs based on the teachings of all the Gurus. In this way, he created the 'Khalsa', and ordered Sikhs, to accept the Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the Guru hereafter.

Not at all. It is an informative response. But (my turn), correct me if I'm wrong, didn't Guru Gobind Singh ji adopt the Panj Piyaras and the five 'K's?

I am always happy to be corrected on matters of fact. Thank you for intervening.
 
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Joe Sir, you are correct that Guru Gobind Sing Ji, made some practices official (which were prevalent in the times of the former Gurus), and also created a code of conduct for the Sikhs based on the teachings of all the Gurus. In this way, he created the 'Khalsa', and ordered Sikhs, to accept the Guru Granth Sahib Ji as the Guru hereafter.

Auntie Wiki says,

Among his notable contributions to Sikhism are founding theSikhKhalsa in 1699,[5] introducing the Five Ks, the five articles of faith that Khalsa Sikhs wear at all times, contributing to the continual formalisation of the religion which the first Guru, Guru Nanak, had founded in the 15th century[6][7] and passing the final Guruship of the Sikhs to the Eleventh and Eternal Sikh Guru, theGuru Granth Sahib Ji.

@Taygibay

A personal question, in your ear please: Are you sure you are not Indian?
 
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Their country ,Their laws ,their rules .Those who immigrates in to the France should accept their way of life .Oherwise they will kick you out and then you shouldnt cry .
 
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Are you French of Pak origins (flags)?

No but it actually ties in to JoeS' question.
I'm French ( and something else from West too ) alright!

Except that there are reasons that have me like Pakistan a lot.

First, the burden of its birth due to Albion's shenanigans.

Second, the person that was M. A. Jinnah, a fave of mine.

Third, the difficulty of balancing acts Pakistan has to play :
secular vs Islamic republic, pesky neighbours N.W. & S.E.,
West and East influences, etc.
For example, in the insurgency situation, this Islamic nation
has to fight extremists of its own faith while keeping faith in
itself which is perilous at best.
You are a unique part of Ummah even without the nukes!

Fourth and this only concerns Internet but it will get me lotsa
trouble, I tried Indian fora including the one we cannot name
and honestly, they were pretty pathetic and unworkable.
All in the nerves and wishful thinking, as if discussing with a
neurotic western woman lost between her rights, perception
thereof and inability to reason with logic if battle of sexes is
involved ( battle of dreams for Bharatis, I guess, vs reality )
which I try to avoid IRL TBH.

PDF is an oasis of self-control by comparison and the good
Indians ready for honest talks have to come here since the
use of logic over temper tantrums is forbidden at home.
And I was always well treated here by the forum management.

All in all, I always had a penchant for unjustly treated minorities
and Pakistan fits that image in my mind ... especially when you
listen to political convos in the US Congress.

And on the emotional front, the northern provinces GB-KP etc
remind me of a place I grew up in especially in Autumn!

There is a lot to be fixed as anywhere else on Earth but you
people are doing it by yourselves which I respect immensely.

So mark me as a fan, hence the flag ( as my residence status is complicated ).
When I come here on PDF, I root for Pakistan, it's that simple!

:pakistan: Have the best of days, Tay.

 
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No but it actually ties in to JoeS' question.
I'm French ( and something else from West too ) alright!

Except that there are reasons that have me like Pakistan a lot.

First, the burden of its birth due to Albion's shenanigans.

Second, the person that was M. A. Jinnah, a fave of mine.

Third, the difficulty of balancing acts Pakistan has to play :
secular vs Islamic republic, pesky neighbours N.W. & S.E.,
West and East influences, etc.
For example, in the insurgency situation, this Islamic nation
has to fight extremists of its own faith while keeping faith in
itself which is perilous at best.
You are a unique part of Ummah even without the nukes!

Fourth and this only concerns Internet but it will get me lotsa
trouble, I tried Indian fora including the one we cannot name
and honestly, they were pretty pathetic and unworkable.
All in the nerves and wishful thinking, as if discussing with a
neurotic western woman lost between her rights, perception
thereof and inability to reason with logic if battle of sexes is
involved ( battle of dreams for Bharatis, I guess, vs reality )
which I try to avoid IRL TBH.

PDF is an oasis of self-control by comparison and the good
Indians ready for honest talks have to come here since the
use of logic over temper tantrums is forbidden at home.
And I was always well treated here by the forum management.

All in all, I always had a penchant for unjustly treated minorities
and Pakistan fits that image in my mind ... especially when you
listen to political convos in the US Congress.

And on the emotional front, the northern provinces GB-KP etc
remind me of a place I grew up in especially in Autumn!

There is a lot to be fixed as anywhere else on Earth but you
people are doing it by yourselves which I respect immensely.

So mark me as a fan, hence the flag ( as my residence status is complicated ).
When I come here on PDF, I root for Pakistan, it's that simple!

:pakistan: Have the best of days, Tay.

That's great.. Thanks I guess .. And whenever you visit .. You would be my guest!

Cheers.
 
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Sir despite our difference .. I do respect you !

That doesn't help; I'm still crying into my hankie.

Just because @Taygibay is young and handsome.......:cray:




What differences? You are fiercely loyal to your country. I am very comfortable with that. Any difference in perspectives is that and nothing more; different points of view. Somebody like you, standing where I did, would think and act like me, would write like me. And conversely.





Before I kick the bucket, I have to visit Pakistan. Doesn't matter what it takes.
 
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That doesn't help; I'm still crying into my hankie.

Just because @Taygibay is young and handsome.......:cray:


:o:

Before I kick the bucket, I have to visit Pakistan. Doesn't matter what it takes.


Sir .. You are a neighbour .. You have rights guaranteed by my culture aswell as religion.. :welcome:
 
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