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Moscow Warms Up To Islamabad

Because Russia is not Occupying a Part of Pakistan.

Its depends upon perspective. We see that Pakistan occupy p0k and GB.

India should respect Russia's relationship with Pakistan the way Russia respects yours and the Americans. It's to do with mutual national interests and it is a venture the two must partake.

In fact we do. We helped Pakistan to get into security council and Pak acknowledged that. It is good for us as well as Pakistan that they choose or do business with other nations without considering their relationship with India.
 
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looks like pakistan supremo, doesn't put any faith in chengdu to develop WS series engine for FC1 or the FC20. There goes the trust
 
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looks like pakistan supremo, doesn't put any faith in chengdu to develop WS series engine for FC1 or the FC20. There goes the trust

Do you think TRUST is about engines only ?

But since you have asked, The Chineese engine will come whne it will come for Pak + China service.

As of now, there is a potential export parket which we can easily capitalize by using Russian engines which some of our perspective clients are using already.
 
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looks like pakistan supremo, doesn't put any faith in chengdu to develop WS series engine for FC1 or the FC20. There goes the trust

Dude, China itself is not fully using its own engine in its J series Fighters as of now.. Why would Pakistan.
 
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Even Pakistan give what Indian claims as Indian Kashmir to India it will still try to break up Pakistan in one way or another.

India can only be a normal neighbor at best. It will never be Pakistan's friend. Thats why our forefathers asked for a separate homeland.

Look at the reaction of Indians on all threads running about Pakistan-Russia engagement. They dont respect Pakistan's relations in anyway. They want our relationship to be conditional upon their consent. However, in international politics, it never works this way.

Pakistan must engage Russia not to undermine its (Russia) relationship with any other country. It has enough to offer and get in return to not affect Russia's relationship with a third country.
 
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Dude, China itself is not fully using its own engine in its J series Fighters as of now.. Why would Pakistan.

What happened to indian engine project... I think it was cancelled.

Thats what the Chinese would like Pakistan to think right? Keep India and Pakistan at each others throat all the time:rolleyes: India is not interested in Pakistani part of Kashmir, and is happy to convert the LOC into international border.

We know you better and your typical mentality of akhand bharat.
 
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What happened to indian engine project... I think it was cancelled.


No it's not, Kaveri Naval, UAV applications looks promising. You Should research and keep yourself updated.

Goodday

What happened to indian engine project... I think it was cancelled.



We know you better and your typical mentality of akhand bharat.

Nope , It's Your Paranoia
 
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While in Moscow, Gen Kayani is also likely to canvass for the Kremlin’s approval for three crucial projects: creation of an engine overhaul facility in Kamra for the 84.4kN-thrust Klimov RD-93, whuch powers the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) JF-17 ‘Thunder’ MRCA; another overhaul workshop for the 12 RD & PE Zvezda JSC-built UPAZ-1 aerial refuelling pods in service with the PAF’s four IL-78MKP MRTT transports; continued product-support for the four IL-78MKPs; and most importantly, the export approval for 132kN-thrust AL-31FN turbofans required for powering the initial 40 FC-20 (36-single-seat and four tandem-seat) M-MRCAs that the PAF wants to procure from China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corp (which is also producing the JF-17)

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-moscow-warms-up-islamabad.html#ixzz2GyNQXLJB


WHAT A SLAP TO CHINESE CLAIMS OF WS10 ENGINES................
 
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While in Moscow, Gen Kayani is also likely to canvass for the Kremlin’s approval for three crucial projects: creation of an engine overhaul facility in Kamra for the 84.4kN-thrust Klimov RD-93, whuch powers the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) JF-17 ‘Thunder’ MRCA; another overhaul workshop for the 12 RD & PE Zvezda JSC-built UPAZ-1 aerial refuelling pods in service with the PAF’s four IL-78MKP MRTT transports; continued product-support for the four IL-78MKPs; and most importantly, the export approval for 132kN-thrust AL-31FN turbofans required for powering the initial 40 FC-20 (36-single-seat and four tandem-seat) M-MRCAs that the PAF wants to procure from China’s Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corp (which is also producing the JF-17)

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-moscow-warms-up-islamabad.html#ixzz2GyNQXLJB

Mian,

The first part might happen; I have always speculated and it seems the only logical step.

The second part, may happen but not on the same conditions that we expect.
 
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We know you better and your typical mentality of akhand bharat.


I hope this will subdue your paranoid delusion...........This retired Army men of your's Ko itni si baat samjte samjte uske saare baal safed ho gaye.....Ki Agar Tum log Chaoge to bhi India tumhe accept nahi karega bcoz unki naazar mein tum " Bunch of 20crores MISCREANTS ho nothing more" (As quoted by your retired Army men):D
 
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Pakistan’s Moscow option

INCE independence, Pakistan’s relations with Moscow have been mostly adversarial. Pakistan was America’s “most allied ally”. India aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Moscow’s veto in the UN Security Council to block Kashmiri self-determination, the U2 flight from Peshawar, Soviet support in 1971 for India’s war to dismember Pakistan and Islamabad’s collaboration with the US in the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan punctuated the hostile relationship.

Although the hostility slowly dissipated after the collapse of the Soviet Union, friendship eluded Moscow and Islamabad, for several reasons: Russia’s continuing defence relationship with India, Pakistan’s support for the Afghan Taliban — and by extension their Chechen and Uzbek associates —Moscow’s alignment with the Northern Alliance and Pakistan’s post 9/11 alliance with the US.

However, the new ‘Cold War’ in Europe, ignited by the Ukraine crisis, has profound strategic implications not only for Europe but also for other ‘theatres’ where Russia’s interests and objectives intersect with those of the US and Europe. Sino-Russian relations have become dramatically closer. Moscow is reasserting its role in the Middle East. It is also likely to do so in East and South Asia.

Pakistan-Russia relations have been evolving in positive directions during recent months. Pakistan is acting against Central Asian terrorists. As India has moved closer to the US, Russia has warmed to Pakistan. The closer Sino-Russian relationship has reinforced this trend. There are clear recent signs that Moscow is now open to substantive security collaboration with Pakistan. Russia’s aims are: to secure Pakistan’s cooperation to stabilise Afghanistan, combat Chechen and Central Asian terrorist groups present in the region, compensate for India’s tilt towards America and thereby retain leverage in New Delhi.

There are many areas where mutually beneficial cooperation can be promoted between Islamabad and Moscow.
There are a number of areas where mutually beneficial cooperation can be promoted between Islamabad and Moscow.

Afghanistan: Over the past year, quiet talks between Pakistan, China and Russia have been under way to consider ways to stabilise Afghanistan. Russia’s old relationship with the Northern Alliance and influence with Iran; Pakistan’s influence with the Pakhtuns and the Afghan Taliban; and China’s financial and economic capacity can be a powerful combination to promote reconciliation and peace in Afghanistan as the US disengages from that country.

Indo-Pakistan: As India’s major defence partner and a member of BRICS, Moscow continues to enjoy considerable, if reduced, influence in India despite New Delhi’s tilt towards the US. Russia desires Indo-Pakistan normalisation to prevent a disastrous conflict, limit American influence and develop new avenues for energy, trade and industrial cooperation with the South Asian region. Given the new global political alignments, Moscow’s mediation between India and Pakistan could be more even-handed and effective than the skewed policies presently pursued by Washington.

Defence: Russia’s defence industry is still among the best in the world. Moscow may now be willing to lift its self-imposed embargo on defence supplies to Pakistan. The dimensions of such cooperation will depend considerably on Pakistan’s ability to pay for defence equipment and, to a lesser extent, on the vigour of New Delhi’s anticipated objections.

Oil and gas: Russia is the world’s largest producer of oil and gas. The expertise of Russia’s Rosneft and Gazprom can contribute significantly to developing Pakistan’s oil and gas potential, onshore and offshore. Western sanctions have enhanced the incentive of these giant Russian companies to find new frontiers of cooperation.

Gas supplies: In the wake of the Western embargoes, Russia is looking for alternate markets for its abundant gas production. Its $400 billion gas deal with China has been the most prominent response. Moscow is also interested in building gas supply routes to India and Pakistan. Russian gas could be added to supplies from the proposed TAPI pipeline. New pipelines can be built to Pakistan and India through China. Russia’s Gazprom could also help in executing the projected Iranian gas pipeline to Pakistan (and India).

Nuclear reactors: So far, Russia has refused to supply nuclear power reactors to Pakistan due to the restrictions imposed by the Nuclear Suppliers’ Group on non-members of the NPT — with the significant exception of India. It is possible that in the new strategic circumstances, and in exchange for appropriate safeguards, Russia, like China, may consider the sale of nuclear power plants to Pakistan, especially if India acquires its new plants from the US.

Trade: If Afghanistan can be stabilised, it would open the way for expanded trade between Pakistan, Central Asia and Russia. While Pakistan requires Russian oil, gas and industrial products, Pakistan can be a competitive source of agricultural and textile goods to Russia. Pakistan could also offer Russia trade access to India in exchange for its help in normalising Pakistan-India ties.

Industrialisation: Russia retains some of the industrial prowess of the Soviet Union. It can modernise the Soviet-supplied Pakistan Steel Mills. Similar cooperation can be pursued in a number of ‘high-tech’ sectors, such as biotechnology, aviation and space, where Russia possesses competitive capabilities.

In some areas — such as Afghanistan, Indo-Pakistan normalisation and counterterrorism — the objectives of the US and its allies are convergent with Russia’s. In other areas — energy, defence, nuclear generation — opposition can be expected from the West to Pakistan-Russian cooperation. India may also object, although its opposition may not be decisive.

While Pakistan no longer requires, nor is likely to receive, US arms supplies or nuclear power plants, its ability to resist Western objections to cooperation with Moscow could be constrained by its financial and trade dependence on the West. Pakistan’s financial stress may also restrict its ability to pay for Russian supplies of defence and other equipment.

Pakistan needs to identify realistic goals for its new relationship with Russia, evolve sustainable ways to minimise its financial vulnerability (including greater financial integration with China) and deploy adroit diplomacy to capitalise on the emerging global and regional strategic realities. Of course, while its politicians squabble on the streets, adding to the country’s turbulence, it is difficult for Pakistan to devise well-considered policies to exploit the Moscow option or other strategic opportunities.

The writer is a former Pakistan ambassador to the UN.

Published in Dawn, August 17th, 2014
 
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