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But the question is why would we(pakistan) want a defeated iran, what could we gain from itDefeating Iran through war was not a good Idea since 1980s. Iran got something that others dont and that is Shia Leadership so Shias around the World wont Tolerate such a thing and may be this could turn into another Proxy war around the World with Devastating consequences especially for Middle East provided with Energy Crisis due to Blockade of Persian Gulf region. Iran is to big for them to Handle and even with this Alliance Saudis hands are still be tied considering War Scenario. They should try different Approach instead.
OK there is a lot of anger on this thread.
We are doing what is right for the country with major foreign policy being decided more by our army then our civilian government. Trust the army and if we can help Saudi in a defensive role against enemies. Offensive roles against another country is mere speculation and has no real proof other then inside sources who are again dubious at best.
- WE are helping Suadi who has helped us alot in our times of need
- We need to be in the good spotlight on the issue of terrorism in the world again
- Our retired soldiers will be getting good money and will be not forced to go
- We need to fight ISIS head on before it infests Pakistan
- Syrian Government is a failed state which helped ISIS grow
- Iran is protecting Bashar al Assad who is butchering his people
your history is very polarised. The Iranian Shah and his policies are completely different from the policies of the Arab countries. And yes some of the smaller Gulf states may fear revolts but countries like Saudi are well prepared to handle any revolts that happen.
There is nothing wrong in supporting Saudi and what you say is very extremist in nature itself. Right now Saudi is fighting ISIS and so is Iran. Saudi requested troops from Pakistan to help because they are also experienced in real combat. Still nothing wrong. Saudi called other allies in the region who fight ISIS together and discussed the issues with them. Still see nothing wrong till now. Then theories of conspiracy are what the rest are.
Also the way Iran has supported the Syrian government is a sad state of affairs. I do not see how you can justify that but again im either intolerant or not smart enough to understand the complicated region
OK there is a lot of anger on this thread.
- WE are helping Suadi who has helped us alot in our times of need
- We need to be in the good spotlight on the issue of terrorism in the world again
- Our retired soldiers will be getting good money and will be not forced to go
- We need to fight ISIS head on before it infests Pakistan
- Syrian Government is a failed state which helped ISIS grow
- Iran is protecting Bashar al Assad who is butchering his people
Our Relations with Iran are already tense and since Islamic Regime of Iran we never enjoyed good ties with them as we had with Shah of Iran. We are not interested in Saudi Iran thing but our Ruling class is what Dragging us in and that is the problem here but we have nothing against Iran in fact we are collaborating with each other on Baluch Separatist problem which have Sectarian Dimensions in Iran.But the question is why would we(pakistan) want a defeated iran, what could we gain from it
Soldiers helping Iraq and Syria infested with Saudi sponsored Terrorist vs Iranians helping the local governments.obviously you cant see that part.
Funny Pakistan debt spikes right around that period.
Billions invested in terrorism through out Pakistan costing 1000 of lives and billions to the economy,yet some are still a sleep and singing the same ol Tune.
L O L that was Qaddafi whos commercial airliners landed in Washington with all blue prints in exchange for lifting of the sanctions. Not the Iranians who are still under sanctions.For future Think Tank should know better before arguing.
what surprises me the most is the professor thanking this. It seems No lessons are learned as long as Saudi worship is concerned.
Chinese foreign policy is not of self destruction to please Arabs Like Pakistan.
Saudi and wealthy Arabs are supporting the ISIS.
How will the ISIS infest Pakistan ?
If ISIS is a serious threat why send retired soldiers ?
your history is very polarised. The Iranian Shah and his policies are completely different from the policies of the Arab countries. And yes some of the smaller Gulf states may fear revolts but countries like Saudi are well prepared to handle any revolts that happen.
Saudi and wealthy Arabs are supporting the ISIS.
How will the ISIS infest Pakistan ?
If ISIS is a serious threat why send retired soldiers ?
Since you have decided not to use brain to analyze thing, I'm going to qoute A Khan post from pakdef.
"The intereference issue aside, Pakistan has a long time military and security alliance with Saudia Arabia. Lets leave the sectarian googles at home for a second and look at it from nation state perspective. During the last 3-4 decades, Saudi Arabia and Gulf have provided employment to millions of Pakistans (KSA hosts 1,5+ million), cheap oil, and diplomatic support to Pakistan on multiple occasions. Could they have done more? Yes, there is always room for more but considering other relationships around the world, it was still significant. The fact that 1.5+ million Pakistani live and work in Saudi Arabia, and among our biggest remittances providers, top oil exporter, makes it hard for us to remain neutral. Also not to forgot, our other BIG ally, Turkey is also on that side of the fence.
Iran on the other hand has worked against us on pretty much every single strategic issue. From covertly supporting Indian stance on Kashmir in the OIC during the 1990's, working against us in Afghanistan since the 1980's and even now, hosting and encouraging Indian activity in Afghanistan and Central Asia, launching incursions into Baluchistan and killing our troops and kidnapping our civilians, constructing a sea port to rival Gwadar with the assistance and funding from India, and i could go on.
Whats most relevant here, Iran has grand designs of recreating the persian empire and in the Iranian psyche, we dont figure in any way as a strategic ally or partner. There has been NO overture from Iran to secure our friendship. But there has been a lot of rethoric of "hot pursuit into Pakistan". This makes Iran a very unfriendly neighbor.
It is in our national interest that Iran is contained and that to, before the US and Iran come to strategic agreement on the nuclear issue. Otherwise Iran will do what its doing in Syria, Iraq and Yemen inside Afghanistan and Pakistan also.
Finally, the Saudi request is to fight ISIS. Iran is also fighting against ISIS, so they can hardly oppose our support for a fight against ISIS openly. Considering how dangerous ISIS is, and the reports of some of our internal terrorists considering joining the ISIS banner, we should most certainly play an active role in countering that threat. If need be, then sending troops should not be ruled out."
Hopefully if you decide to quote my post, I expect sensible replies not knee jerk reactions or rehtorics
Why don't you do some real search to know how ISIS generates it's funds through captured oil fields ?
can not argue wih you when you think like this... hatred has fogged the vision of yoursIf PAK fails then Saudi will ORDER india to invade Pakistan to pave the ground for ISIL takover.
can not argue wih you when you think like this... hatred has fogged the vision of yours
I think Pakistan should stay away from this matter. We are facing S loads of problems already. Saudis have enough money to defend their borders. Why should we risk our soldiers for corrupt SHAREEF family anyway?
KSA is a leading Arms buyers, if they are asking for Pakistan's help its going to be only on training their troops.
"Investing in defence...." I don't know if this statement is true but if it is it's good for PD.