More Troops for KSA: The reason behind PM's recent Visit to KSA

[Green Arrow]

Watch this from 27:00. It gives some information as well.

 

[Wolfhound]

Defeating Iran through war was not a good Idea since 1980s. Iran got something that others dont and that is Shia Leadership so Shias around the World wont Tolerate such a thing and may be this could turn into another Proxy war around the World with Devastating consequences especially for Middle East provided with Energy Crisis due to Blockade of Persian Gulf region. Iran is to big for them to Handle and even with this Alliance Saudis hands are still be tied considering War Scenario. They should try different Approach instead.

But the question is why would we(pakistan) want a defeated iran, what could we gain from it

 

[B@KH]

OK there is a lot of anger on this thread.

• WE are helping Suadi who has helped us alot in our times of need
• We need to be in the good spotlight on the issue of terrorism in the world again
• Our retired soldiers will be getting good money and will be not forced to go
• We need to fight ISIS head on before it infests Pakistan
• Syrian Government is a failed state which helped ISIS grow
• Iran is protecting Bashar al Assad who is butchering his people

We are doing what is right for the country with major foreign policy being decided more by our army then our civilian government. Trust the army and if we can help Saudi in a defensive role against enemies. Offensive roles against another country is mere speculation and has no real proof other then inside sources who are again dubious at best.


your history is very polarised. The Iranian Shah and his policies are completely different from the policies of the Arab countries. And yes some of the smaller Gulf states may fear revolts but countries like Saudi are well prepared to handle any revolts that happen.

There is nothing wrong in supporting Saudi and what you say is very extremist in nature itself. Right now Saudi is fighting ISIS and so is Iran. Saudi requested troops from Pakistan to help because they are also experienced in real combat. Still nothing wrong. Saudi called other allies in the region who fight ISIS together and discussed the issues with them. Still see nothing wrong till now. Then theories of conspiracy are what the rest are.
Also the way Iran has supported the Syrian government is a sad state of affairs. I do not see how you can justify that but again im either intolerant or not smart enough to understand the complicated region

May be the whole world decides to save saudi. but the fact is that M.E is on verge of Major change which No one can stop. The parameters and equations are already changed and it is only a matter of time when big events begin to take place.

It is laughable that poor saudi continue to pay for wars and continue to hire rental troops and stooges but there is No sign of wining. Rather fears are on rise from all around.

These petro dollars have converted Pakistan into a rental and worker nation. Pakistan is Proud of its poor labour working for sheikhs who send some currency back home that helps run a country.

Those who are sympathetic to Pakistan cannot approve and send their people on Rent.

The whole saga of the past 60 years is reaching to its climax and will Only end with the coming Big events that will change the face and the entire region permanently.

Asad has popular support and is the legitimate president of Syria and does not require approval from the NATO allies. So this is rubbish that asad is a butcher otherwise the pak army too is butcher for butcher terrorists in waziristan. Butchering invaders and terrorists is for defence of the country. Asad is a HERO of Syria.

 

[wiseone2]

OK there is a lot of anger on this thread.

• WE are helping Suadi who has helped us alot in our times of need
• We need to be in the good spotlight on the issue of terrorism in the world again
• Our retired soldiers will be getting good money and will be not forced to go
• We need to fight ISIS head on before it infests Pakistan
• Syrian Government is a failed state which helped ISIS grow
• Iran is protecting Bashar al Assad who is butchering his people

Saudi and wealthy Arabs are supporting the ISIS.

How will the ISIS infest Pakistan ?

If ISIS is a serious threat why send retired soldiers ?

 

[Gazi]

But the question is why would we(pakistan) want a defeated iran, what could we gain from it

Our Relations with Iran are already tense and since Islamic Regime of Iran we never enjoyed good ties with them as we had with Shah of Iran. We are not interested in Saudi Iran thing but our Ruling class is what Dragging us in and that is the problem here but we have nothing against Iran in fact we are collaborating with each other on Baluch Separatist problem which have Sectarian Dimensions in Iran.

 

[Bratva]

Soldiers helping Iraq and Syria infested with Saudi sponsored Terrorist vs Iranians helping the local governments.obviously you cant see that part.



Funny Pakistan debt spikes right around that period.



Billions invested in terrorism through out Pakistan costing 1000 of lives and billions to the economy,yet some are still a sleep and singing the same ol Tune.




L O L that was Qaddafi whos commercial airliners landed in Washington with all blue prints in exchange for lifting of the sanctions. Not the Iranians who are still under sanctions.For future Think Tank should know better before arguing.


what surprises me the most is the professor thanking this. It seems No lessons are learned as long as Saudi worship is concerned.



Chinese foreign policy is not of self destruction to please Arabs Like Pakistan.

Since you have decided not to use brain to analyze thing, I'm going to qoute A Khan post from pakdef.

"The intereference issue aside, Pakistan has a long time military and security alliance with Saudia Arabia. Lets leave the sectarian googles at home for a second and look at it from nation state perspective. During the last 3-4 decades, Saudi Arabia and Gulf have provided employment to millions of Pakistans (KSA hosts 1,5+ million), cheap oil, and diplomatic support to Pakistan on multiple occasions. Could they have done more? Yes, there is always room for more but considering other relationships around the world, it was still significant. The fact that 1.5+ million Pakistani live and work in Saudi Arabia, and among our biggest remittances providers, top oil exporter, makes it hard for us to remain neutral. Also not to forgot, our other BIG ally, Turkey is also on that side of the fence.



Iran on the other hand has worked against us on pretty much every single strategic issue. From covertly supporting Indian stance on Kashmir in the OIC during the 1990's, working against us in Afghanistan since the 1980's and even now, hosting and encouraging Indian activity in Afghanistan and Central Asia, launching incursions into Baluchistan and killing our troops and kidnapping our civilians, constructing a sea port to rival Gwadar with the assistance and funding from India, and i could go on.



Whats most relevant here, Iran has grand designs of recreating the persian empire and in the Iranian psyche, we dont figure in any way as a strategic ally or partner. There has been NO overture from Iran to secure our friendship. But there has been a lot of rethoric of "hot pursuit into Pakistan". This makes Iran a very unfriendly neighbor.



It is in our national interest that Iran is contained and that to, before the US and Iran come to strategic agreement on the nuclear issue. Otherwise Iran will do what its doing in Syria, Iraq and Yemen inside Afghanistan and Pakistan also.



Finally, the Saudi request is to fight ISIS. Iran is also fighting against ISIS, so they can hardly oppose our support for a fight against ISIS openly. Considering how dangerous ISIS is, and the reports of some of our internal terrorists considering joining the ISIS banner, we should most certainly play an active role in countering that threat. If need be, then sending troops should not be ruled out."


Hopefully if you decide to quote my post, I expect sensible replies not knee jerk reactions or rehtorics

Saudi and wealthy Arabs are supporting the ISIS.

How will the ISIS infest Pakistan ?

If ISIS is a serious threat why send retired soldiers ?

Why don't you do some real search to know how ISIS generates it's funds through captured oil fields ?

 

[B@KH]

your history is very polarised. The Iranian Shah and his policies are completely different from the policies of the Arab countries. And yes some of the smaller Gulf states may fear revolts but countries like Saudi are well prepared to handle any revolts that happen.

not polarized. i will write in simple tense.

saud is fully prepared upto their capacities and there is no limitation in their preparation. they have rental militaries like NATO, rental NUKES and many other including pakistan's. there preparations is upto the max. possible level. they are the largest arms importer. They have gone to the maximum possible level.

Now what you have to convince ? this all is known to everyone.

Those who will bring it down knows it all. they do not need militaries, wars and nukes to bring this all down.

The problem is that you have No Idea of the history and you people have No Idea of the nature of Conflict.

Just wait for the some decisions, then the big events will be so fast that this all preparation will be useless. Think above war.

It is unfortunate that Pakistan will be on loser end if it supported saudi.

Saudi and wealthy Arabs are supporting the ISIS.

How will the ISIS infest Pakistan ?

If ISIS is a serious threat why send retired soldiers ?

Pakistan is bad shape now. It has already received Saudi Purchase Order for the supply of rental troops.

Pak is trying to convince saudi to accept retired and tired Crop while saudi insist of Fresh crop.

If PAK fails then Saudi will ORDER india to invade Pakistan to pave the ground for ISIL takover.

Rememeber when imran khan was trying to topple Nawaz India started bombing pakistan.

It is a big problem Now.

 

[Cheetah786]

Since you have decided not to use brain to analyze thing, I'm going to qoute A Khan post from pakdef.

"The intereference issue aside, Pakistan has a long time military and security alliance with Saudia Arabia. Lets leave the sectarian googles at home for a second and look at it from nation state perspective. During the last 3-4 decades, Saudi Arabia and Gulf have provided employment to millions of Pakistans (KSA hosts 1,5+ million), cheap oil, and diplomatic support to Pakistan on multiple occasions. Could they have done more? Yes, there is always room for more but considering other relationships around the world, it was still significant. The fact that 1.5+ million Pakistani live and work in Saudi Arabia, and among our biggest remittances providers, top oil exporter, makes it hard for us to remain neutral. Also not to forgot, our other BIG ally, Turkey is also on that side of the fence.



Iran on the other hand has worked against us on pretty much every single strategic issue. From covertly supporting Indian stance on Kashmir in the OIC during the 1990's, working against us in Afghanistan since the 1980's and even now, hosting and encouraging Indian activity in Afghanistan and Central Asia, launching incursions into Baluchistan and killing our troops and kidnapping our civilians, constructing a sea port to rival Gwadar with the assistance and funding from India, and i could go on.



Whats most relevant here, Iran has grand designs of recreating the persian empire and in the Iranian psyche, we dont figure in any way as a strategic ally or partner. There has been NO overture from Iran to secure our friendship. But there has been a lot of rethoric of "hot pursuit into Pakistan". This makes Iran a very unfriendly neighbor.



It is in our national interest that Iran is contained and that to, before the US and Iran come to strategic agreement on the nuclear issue. Otherwise Iran will do what its doing in Syria, Iraq and Yemen inside Afghanistan and Pakistan also.



Finally, the Saudi request is to fight ISIS. Iran is also fighting against ISIS, so they can hardly oppose our support for a fight against ISIS openly. Considering how dangerous ISIS is, and the reports of some of our internal terrorists considering joining the ISIS banner, we should most certainly play an active role in countering that threat. If need be, then sending troops should not be ruled out."


Hopefully if you decide to quote my post, I expect sensible replies not knee jerk reactions or rehtorics



Why don't you do some real search to know how ISIS generates it's funds through captured oil fields ?

cheap oil really since when?

Iran and Turkey are the only two countries in the world that have spoken in favour of pakistan on kashmire issue.

Arabs for your information are always in favour of India when it comes to kashmire.

Saudies investment in Pakistan is the reason we have lost over 50.000 personals and hundreds of army Jawans not to mention officers.

Billions upon billion in loss to our economy bringing it to almost bankruptcy

Funny you keep talking about secretarian glasses which you yourself can't take off to see reality.

Treatment off Pakistanis at the hands of your Arabs is legendary and famous around the world deny that. As far as employment is concern these guys work for their money and still get treated like shit.

Let's go to westren nations were pakistani excell and are in management positions not ever going to happen in Arabia or own businesses not to mention have the right to vote buy or sell property. Deny that

Iranians gas would have braugh back our dead industries. Which house of saud had killed by giving money to SAUDIES man in Pakistan. deny that.

 

[Gufi]

If PAK fails then Saudi will ORDER india to invade Pakistan to pave the ground for ISIL takover.

can not argue wih you when you think like this... hatred has fogged the vision of yours

 

[B@KH]

can not argue wih you when you think like this... hatred has fogged the vision of yours

If you do not want to open your eyes it is another issue.

all pak wars particularly 1971 was on saudi orders and it is due to saudi that pak recognized bangla.
In front of our eyes kargil war was on order of saudi. It was china that stopped it. Only after then india acted against invaders otherwise it was ordered to sleep.

PAK is not behind problems in somalia, libya, egypt, tunisia, yemen, syria, iraq etc. etc. etc
it is all usa+saudi alliance that is harming the nations thru terror networks bokoharam+qaida+isil+taliban+jud+let etc. etc

Have you ever seen saudi seriousness against Israel.
saudi did all its best to recognize israel thru its peace plan but muslims cannot.

 

[saadee]

I think Pakistan should stay away from this matter. We are facing S loads of problems already. Saudis have enough money to defend their borders. Why should we risk our soldiers for corrupt SHAREEF family anyway?

 

[B@KH]

I think Pakistan should stay away from this matter. We are facing S loads of problems already. Saudis have enough money to defend their borders. Why should we risk our soldiers for corrupt SHAREEF family anyway?

well said. Ofcourse this is the Most logical position.

why make a nation to fight and die for others under any circumstance.

Pak army is the last strong pillar along with popular support. if these two are evaded the whole nation will be at risk.

Pak should remain above all this and at the most it should Only offer to mediate among warring sides.

 

[tarrar]

KSA is a leading Arms buyers, if they are asking for Pakistan's help its going to be only on training their troops.

"Investing in defence...." I don't know if this statement is true but if it is it's good for PD.

 

[Porus]

@Bratva Who is this Mr. A Khan? An authority over regional and Pak-KSA inter-govermental affairs? The three favours he mentioned in his posts are not enough to make a case for Pakistan's involvement in the conflict going on between KSA, Iran and other regional countries. If Saudis don't want the cheap labour anymore, they can send them back. Pakistan, a country of 200 million people, should be able to feed another 1.5 million of her children. Pakistan hasn't fully recuperated from its Afghan adventure, and here you want to drive this country into another inferno. For God's sake have some mercy on the "down-trodden" of this country. People need education, health facilities, peace and jobs, they don't want to get involved into another war that has got nothing to do with them at all.

 

[B@KH]

KSA is a leading Arms buyers, if they are asking for Pakistan's help its going to be only on training their troops.

"Investing in defence...." I don't know if this statement is true but if it is it's good for PD.

it looks u havn't got the news till now..