Have lost enough brain cells talking to you. An SU 30MKi is like a Thunder. A large, twin engine, air superiority fighter is the same as a light, multi role, single engine fighter. Also the Tejas is comparable to F22 raptor, right?
How are these two comparable from a production standpoint either? India had absolutely no hand in designing the SU30, it is a Russian aircraft produced in India Under license, while Pakistan literally has majority ownership of the thunder program and a major contribution in designing it. Pakistan is also the one who exports them (that’s how ownership works, India has 0% ownership of the SU, just a license to produce it) . It is a Pakistani program by all definitions. You say you can prove that more components of the SU30 were made in India than The thunders in Pakistan, well bloody of course, you have the license to do so. That’s not a technical thing, that’s a legal thing. If Pakistan had the license to produce those components locally it would obviously do so because it’s cheaper but not everything can be licensed. If designing such things locally was so easy then why hasn’t India been able to do it either?
But in the end why is the MKi even being discussed here? I already said in my first post that this doesn’t mean Indians defense industry is inferior, that’s just not possible when you have 7x the people and the economy. This thread is about the Tejas project and I was explaining how it is not a successful one. Your comparisons frankly make no sense.
I’ve got no idea what you’re saying anymore as it just sounds completely off topic to what I’m saying. Your years change from 2022 to 2025 to 2024 with every post. You don’t even bother to check the range of Thunders BVR to compare it with what the Tejas is supposed to get but hasn’t yet.
The MK-1A and the Block 3 cannot be compared. There will be 5 squadrons of Block 3 flying and Block 4 will probably already be present by the time MK-1As first squadron enters service. But since according to your logic the Thunder is already the same as an SU30, maybe block 4 will be the same as Rafael?
I never said the Tejas was not Indian, but apparently you didn’t bother to read again. I said that it is wrong to call the thunder a Chinese only jet when it is produced in Pakistan the same way the Tejas is produced in India (this was never meant for you but you’re trying to disprove something that you don’t even understand, it was meant for the people calling thunder A Chinese aircraft) Again, more of the thunder is made in Pakistan than the Tejas is made in India. Most of the Tejas is imported from other countries. But I did not say that all of the Tejas is not made in India, it’s still an Indian jet. Just like the thunder is Pakistani (and I did say it was designed with Chinese help myself, because that’s obvious. But how is that an issue is what I don’t understand)
If India has been making aircraft for “more than 50 years” and making them is “no big deal” then why is the Tejas project so late and why was the Tejas rejected by the Indian forces thrice? Why is there no competent version of the Tejas already in Service after over 30 years of the project being underway?
Have lost enough brain cells talking to you. An SU 30MKi is like a Thunder. A large, twin engine, air superiority fighter is the same as a light, multi role, single engine fighter. Also the Tejas is comparable to F22 raptor, right?
1. I said about being a indigenous product (Jf 17 and Su 30 mki).
2. We know the capability and limit of HAL tejas MK1a and the same reason it will only use for defensive role even having the similar capabilities as same as Jf 17 bock 3.
How are these two comparable from a production standpoint either? India had absolutely no hand in designing the SU30, it is a Russian aircraft produced in India Under license, while Pakistan literally has majority ownership of the thunder program and a major contribution in designing it. Pakistan is also the one who exports them (that’s how ownership works, India has 0% ownership of the SU, just a license to produce it) . It is a Pakistani program by all definitions. You say you can prove that more components of the SU30 were made in India than The thunders in Pakistan, well bloody of course, you have the license to do so. That’s not a technical thing, that’s a legal thing. If Pakistan had the license to produce those components locally it would obviously do so because it’s cheaper but not everything can be licensed. If designing such things locally was so easy then why hasn’t India been able to do it either?
1. Even Jf 17 was not designed by Chinese. Actually, it is designed by Soviet and blueprint was purchased by Chinese. Then later, they modified and refined the design as per the customer (PAF).
2. PAK can not export the aircraft without Chinese and Russian approval. Manufacture can't actually sell the OEM products.
3. Again, there are two things. Being a partner of the program, you will get the TOT and not license for manufacturing the parts. The same reason most parts of chinese made being made in pakistan but it does not mean that it is made by Pakistan.
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But in the end why is the MKi even being discussed here? I already said in my first post that this doesn’t mean Indians defense industry is inferior, that’s just not possible when you have 7x the people and the economy. This thread is about the Tejas project and I was explaining how it is not a successful one. Your comparisons frankly make no sense.
It is all about requirement's. PAK needed a aircraft very badly and same the reason even under develop Jf 17 block1 was inducted by PAK. but, IAF was not ready to induct a under develop HAL Tejas.
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I’ve got no idea what you’re saying anymore as it just sounds completely off topic to what I’m saying. Your years change from 2022 to 2025 to 2024 with every post. You don’t even bother to check the range of Thunders BVR to compare it with what the Tejas is supposed to get but hasn’t yet.
The MK-1A and the Block 3 cannot be compared. There will be 5 squadrons of Block 3 flying and Block 4 will probably already be present by the time MK-1As first squadron enters service. But since according to your logic the Thunder is already the same as an SU30, maybe block 4 will be the same as Rafael?
1. Jf 17 is not comparable to Su 30 mki, I was talking about indigenously product.
2. Count can't be matter of technical comparasion.
3. you are taking about PL15 and I am taking bout Astra BVR with range over 150 KM. Since, we know about RADAR is going to use by Jf 17 bock 3 and HAL Tejas Mk1a and their limitations. The same reason PAF is looking for J10 C.
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I never said the Tejas was not Indian, but apparently you didn’t bother to read again. I said that it is wrong to call the thunder a Chinese only jet when it is produced in Pakistan the same way the Tejas is produced in India (this was never meant for you but you’re trying to disprove something that you don’t even understand, it was meant for the people calling thunder A Chinese aircraft) Again, more of the thunder is made in Pakistan than the Tejas is made in India. Most of the Tejas is imported from other countries. But I did not say that all of the Tejas is not made in India, it’s still an Indian jet. Just like the thunder is Pakistani (and I did say it was designed with Chinese help myself, because that’s obvious. But how is that an issue is what I don’t understand)
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f India has been making aircraft for “more than 50 years” and making them is “no big deal” then why is the Tejas project so late and why was the Tejas rejected by the Indian forces thrice? Why is there no competent version of the Tejas already in Service after over 30 years of the project being underway?
Again, there is difference between manufacturing and designing, testing and developing a aircraft. Let me know once Pakistan will design any aircraft even a trainer. Manufacturing or just selling any upgraded version (Super Mushshak) can't be called as indigenous product.
As my definition, Anything is called indigenous if it was designed, tested and developed by someone including all parts. but, all parts are not possible to make by a country expect a few Russia, France, and US.
So now, design, testing and developing is important part of any country. Chinese made the Jf 17 for Pakistan with inputs, requirements, involvement and financial partnership from Pakistan.
